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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Episode 7: Fuller & the Hidden Nature of Space Reply with quote





Special Guest: Just0
Justin Lawless - 'The Hidden Nature of Space'

So What IS Space? That's the question we were left with after our
discussion with Milo Wolff on his Wave Structure Theory Of Matter.

He explained how all particles were just the resultant from the interaction
of In Waves and Out Waves. But what of the medium through which these
waves propogate? We must solve the mystery of the Nature of Space itself.

Justin Lawless ( Just0 on the Forum ) discusses the work of Buckminister
Fuller (inventor of the Geodesic dome) and how his deep understanding
of number and volume holds the key to understanding Space.

And so we move one step closer to solving the nature of the Universe,
and closer too to realizing our individual scientifically-proven immortality.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Feelin Fuller! Reply with quote

I am f*cking flipping out!

I only had time for the first half hour today, but maybe that's just as well - I don't know how much more I could handle right now. Makes going back to work seem pretty boring though...

Five minutes ago, I was jumping up and down screaming, "GRAVITY!! ELECTRICITY! GRAVITY!! ELECTRICITY!!"

Before that, it was, "OH MY GOD! SATELLITE DISHES!"

Luckily, no one within earshot is alarmed by my outbursts... anymore.

This sphere based geometry is obviously the basis of like... jeez everything...

Really makes me think of the implications of the base 10 numerical system, and the 90 degree angles formed by the accountant's crucifix.

I wonder how a 'base 10' mindset interfaces with a 'base 6' universe...

Time, calendar, tempered music scale etc...
It appears to be the basis of alchemical numerology and 'mystery school' stuff too.

squaring the circle...

Anyway, I'll attempt a cogent response later, when I've contained the brush fire in my brain - oh yeah, and listened to the second half. Wink

Excellent work, guys -
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

totally 'effing' amazing

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Calendar = Currency of Consciousness Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
...when I've contained the brush fire in my brain...

Jerry - what are you using for those 'brush fires' these days?


After Jerry's comment I feel compelled to add the following on time and calendars-

Drew Terry wrote:

Currency of Consciousness

The units of any calendar (days-years) are just like $ dollars we spend called 'money' -- except our consciousness spends time by spending money.

Time is Money = Illusion we take for reality.

Is that saying that Money is primary to Time?

No. This is backwards. A subtle but critical deception.


The truth is Time is PRIMARY to money.

Time is a dimension separate from money. Money has been a (very poor) way to value Time. In time, we are all equal. We all have an equal amount to spend - every day. At the end of the day whatever we did not spend is gone forever.

Money is not a dimension that exists out of mind.

We create consciousness by our calendar. The calendar we pay the most attention will be the consciousness we most value. The units of the calendar are therefore our Currency of Consciousness.

Arrow Time only equals money if we focus our attention on the value of time in $ dollars, the Gregorian calendar.


Time for some brush fires!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Green
wtf am i doing(in here)....
here follows horrendous copyright violation.
Buy the book
http://www.barrylong.org/books/barrylongbooks.shtml#origins



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote






thass yer lot(282 pages in the book)....he was a journalist too.


Life is good.
Dawn,central London,foxes yelping at each other.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: numbers Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm amazed that we compressed so much
into just one show. Fintans a genius with communicating information,
thanks Fintan ...and of course thanks to Kathy for the support.

WOW, Love the book pages rob, theres a helluva lot in that... Cheers

Jerry, your getting me thinking about numbers again... and i'm terrible at
math, I don't even know my multiplication tables from school Surprised Very Happy
(I skipped that day), but I still find there are amazing patterns in numbers
at the simplest level.

And after looking into it, maybe we should call it an octave system, like in
music.

Heres a nice way to think about...


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How many fingers do you have in total.... ten right?

Nope... You have EIGHT fingers and TWO thumbs.

Sounds like an old joke, but wait, there's method to the madness.

When we look at what we define as a finger it becomes clear why such a distinction is made between fingers and thumbs.

Afterall it's the opposable thumb that lends the ability to effectively manipulate matter and not fingers.

This may sound like word play of no real consequence but through neglecting to understand the context of our words, suble meanings may be overlooked.

The thumbs are the only digits on your hand which have the muscles located in the hand, whereas the fingers have their muscles located in the forearm.

This is why the thumbs have so much flexability, they have a lot more angular flexibility than the fingers.

The baseTen system has ten characters analogous to our ten digits on our hands, with these ten characters (0-9) all accounting is done.

There is a cyclic pattern in the way the numbers progress from zero through to nine (notice the word 'nine' sounds like 'none' and relates to german words like nein etc.), and just like the thumbs, the 0 and 9 represent angular flexability, they are both the beggining and the end of the cycle.

There are 8 Frequencies between the angularly oriented(720?) 0 and 9 , just like our eight fingers and two thumbs.

So maybe this would be a good way of looking at the baseten system..





Taking a look at what we experience in relation to angle and frequency is
great fun IMO.

I got thinking about this in relation to our fingers and thumbs through the
section in Fullers 'Synergetics' on Numerology, it shows some beautiful
patterns in numbers, which i'm still trying to get my head around. Check it out.

http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s12/p0000.html

Ok thats enough...more l8tr...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Breakthrough Reply with quote

Breakthrough

Ahem.

Twelve years of analysis born of a relentless curiousity --just paid off. Very Happy

I came close to figuring this a couple of weeks ago, but the model was
too simplistic, not to mention wrong...... However, just as this Fuller
presentation audio was completed, I finally discovered the actual
mechanism of immortality
.

No biggie. Smile

Obvious in reterospect as these things always are, but who's complaining.

And so I urge you to pay special attention to this audio. My new insight
is based on Fuller's work, and Justin has done a great job of helping us to
grasp Bucky's astonishing understanding of structure.

I look back now on my early-2000 ramblings in the right general direction.
Wow, I've learned a lot since then, and I hope you have too. But I am still
a bit in shock at this discovery. I expected to uncover some rather vague
idea of how immortality functionally works --but I figured the details would
be uncertain. Some kind of holographic mumbo-jumbo.

But it turns out the mechanism is explicitly clear now, it's easy to grasp
and it also resolves some key questions about the structure of the
universe and the brain/mind. Gosh.

Needless to say, more soon....... Wink

I was meaning to post these amazing photos, which I took in the
garden here at dawn on the First of January, 2007. Considering this
latest breakthrough, it looks like this rainbow was pretty prophetic.
2007's gonna be good.



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: End of the rainbow? Reply with quote

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I was meaning to post these amazing photos, which I took in the
garden here at dawn on the First of January, 2007. Considering this
latest breakthrough, it looks like this rainbow was pretty prophetic.
2007's gonna be good.


It only took you six days to find the pot of gold ...Congratulations

Looking forward to this breakthrough, big time ... when you're ready.

Ready, yet? Wink

Just0 wrote:
And after looking into it, maybe we should call it an octave system, like in music.


Damn dude! That's the shizzit!

'Music' is a language that already exists to describe the interaction of waveforms, and the harmonic geometry of musical sound - timbre, scale, chord and key center.

Harmonic interaction is synergy - the myriad of harmonic shapes formed by modulating sine waves of various frequencies.

Wow - it really fits well with the perceptual 'feeling' of how music 'works' harmonically, and Bucky's concepts of tension and compression.

The I, or Tonic chord, is Unity, rest, lack of motion or tension. Subdominant (ii, IV) - represents motion, increasing tension from Unity. Dominant (V) represents maximum tension from Tonic, and motion from Unity. Return to the I chord, and the tension feels 'released' - back at Unity, after completing a little 'journey' away from the 'source'.

Ain't nothin but The Blues, baby....

oh oh... Fire alert! Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Geometry is Music :) Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:

'Music' is a language that already exists to describe the interaction of waveforms, and the harmonic geometry of musical sound - timbre, scale, chord and key center.

Harmonic interaction is synergy - the myriad of harmonic shapes formed by modulating sine waves of various frequencies.

Wow - it really fits well with the perceptual 'feeling' of how music 'works' harmonically, and Bucky's concepts of tension and compression.

The I, or Tonic chord, is Unity, rest, lack of motion or tension. Subdominant (ii, IV) - represents motion, increasing tension from Unity. Dominant (V) represents maximum tension from Tonic, and motion from Unity. Return to the I chord, and the tension feels 'released' - back at Unity, after completing a little 'journey' away from the 'source'.

Ain't nothin but The Blues, baby....

oh oh... Fire alert! Wink


LOL, nice1 dude.... now if only I knew the lingo of musical notation, scales,
chords etc. Very Happy

I can get the feel of it alright, for me it could be simplified into patterns of
frequency ascending/descending, tied together with angular harmony....
thats my best shot at it :roll:

Yeah, music is synergy alright

Heres a bit of an update on the synergetic geometry.



The Isotropic Vector Matrix (IVM) known in architecture as a 'space frame'
or octet truss was known to Alexander Graham Bell who developed
man-lifting-kites using this octahedron/tetrahedron configuration.









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Fuller on Bell

According to archivist Bonnie DeVarco, who did the research for this page, BFI has two original wooden tetrahedra built by Alexander Graham Bell, given to him by members of the Bell family. Fuller's own notes on these artifacts read as follows (someday maybe we'll have some pictures too):

1. This tetrahedral cell was made on Beinn Breah, Nova Scotia, Canada to be used in the construction of Alexander Graham Bell's man-carrying kites. Given with great pleasure to Buckminster Fuller by Helen Pencoast, Alexander Graham Bell's great granddaughter. 3/15/75

2. This box contains a second tetrahedron made by the hands of Alexander Graham Bell for a man-carrying kite and presented to Buckminster Fuller by Bell's great grandson, Grosvenor. December 1977.


An Interview with R. Buckminster Fuller

Q. It seems to me that Bell's tetrahedron, which he developed while working on kites, is very like your geodesic structure?
A. Exactly the same.

Q. When you developed your structures, did you know about the work of Alexander Graham Bell?
A. I did not. I was astonished to learn about it later. It is the way nature behaves, so we both discovered nature. It isn't something you invent. You discover. I had the great advantage of being allowed to look through all of his notes in Washington at the National Geographic [Society]. His grandson had me admitted to his beautiful notebooks and I found where he comes to the actual discovering of it. The thing he was interested in was how to make a stronger airplane wing. He was probably taken with Langley [aviation pioneer Samuel Pierpont Langley] and all the others and he was trying to understand how he might do something better. And he comes to discovering omni-triangulation. I call it the octahedron-tetrahedron truss. Then of course he went right on with his kites but I knew absolutely nothing about it until I had discovered the same thing myself.

Of course I knew about Alexander Graham Bell discovering the telephone from my childhood. That was a great childhood event. I was born in 1895 and I remember the great excitement over the telephone. My Boston Suburb home telephone number was "Milton Ten." So Alexander Graham Bell's name was very prominent in my life, but it occurred only in relation to the telephone. I'd been at what I discovered possibly fifteen years before somebody said, "Didn't you know Alexander Graham Bell did it?"

I didn't learn about Bell until after the geodesic dome, and the geodesic dome comes quite a long time after what I call the synergetic mathematics -- the way the spheres of unit radius close-pack. You just take two spheres and they just touch one another 00 that's all. You nest a third one down between the two and you get a triangle. Then you nest another on top and you get a tetrahedron. If now you take two triangular sets of three unit-radius spheres and nest one on top of the other, you will make an octahedron unit. If you finally make two layers of spheres in closest packing, the spheres are the vertexes of the octahedron-tetrahedron truss. Many such closest-packed, unit-radius sphere layers, nested upon one another, produce the vertexes of what is known in physics as the "isotropic vector matrix." I've discovered it is the way atoms are packing. So it seems to be fundamental to nature. Absolutely fundamental to nature.

My first objective structural experimenting occurred in my pre-eyeglass, blurred-vision, 1899 kindergarten. The teacher gave us equilength toothpicks and semidried peas. She told us to make structures -- houses. All the other children, none of whom had eye trouble, put together rectilinear box houses. The peas were strong enough to act as angle-holding gussets. Not having visualized the rectilinearity about me, I used only my tactile sense. My finger muscles found that only the triangle had a natural shape-holding capability. I therefore felt my way into producing an octahedron-tetrahedron truss assembly. I, of course, knew naught of such names.

I can remember the teacher, Miss Williams, asking other teachers to come and look at the strange structure I had produced. Fifty years later I heard from that teacher, who clearly remembered that strange event. Just two years ago her grandniece spoke to me, telling me of her great-aunt's death and of her great-aunt's remembering that 1899 event to the end. It was this experience which undoubtedly started me off at fifteen to look for nature's own structural coordinate system.

Q. When you were a boy, did you think of Bell as a sort of universal genius?
A. I only knew about the telephone. The way I was being educated and the amount of news that really got around in those days was pretty loose, and I didn't have any idea about his being the kind of really great scientist that he is. When I had the privilege once of his notebooks, I just marveled. . . His notebooks are almost like the Leonardo books.

From an interview with Dorothy Harley Eber, on telephone, June 29, 1978 in the Prologue to Genius At Work: Images of Alexander Graham Bell by Dorothy Harley Eber 1982 Viking Press

http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/docs/bellnote.html







Alexander Graham Bell and the Octet Truss








Virgo Supercluster shows IVM geometry








Universe is Finite, "Soccer Ball"-Shaped, Study Hints Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:12 am    Post subject: Just a rainbow Reply with quote

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Iris, Goddess of The Rainbow
Iris was the Greek goddess of the rainbow, a messenger of the gods, like Hermes. She descended to earth on a rainbow, which touched both realms, representing a communication between the heavenly and the earthly.

Iris appears often in Virgil's Aeneid, as in, "The maiden Iris hurried on her way, along her rainbow with a thousand colors . . ."

The Rainbow in Painting

Innes is considered the leader of the American Barbizon School. He imbued his landscapes with a sense of divine presence and rainbows had a spiritual significance for him. Note how they give a spiritual feeling to the scene by connecting the earth with the heavens.

This illustrates a recurring theme: The union (UNIT-Y) of earthly & divine.

The Rainbow. c. 1878. George Innes (1825-1894) (New Janson p. 715)
Janson, H.W. History of Art. Fifth Edition. NY: Abrams, 1995.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this concept of there being no such thing as 'one' (or put another way, 360 degrees/one cycle/one observation being useless) is, pardon my french, well, that's fuckin' awesome

...any time i've thought 'you're being weird now' and stopped using mirrors, standing on my head or going through that second rotation, what i've been trying to do has not worked out...i know now which of the two options is really the 'odd one'


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