Peter wrote:.... My question centers around the aptitude for all those darn monks etc. that kept retranslating and recopying the scriptures to say nothing of the revisionist PTW (powers that were)....Eclipses, shining stars, sun/moon interactions.....poetic licence applies to several retranscriptions. I would expect that Fomenko has done his research...
Well, with any currently existing and publicly available
source, I'm pretty sure Fomenko was thorough as possible, going back to Greek and Latin copied texts; at least he did this for the info I cited in my Vampire Jesus post http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7835#27835
. He wrote up a follow up book just on Jesus, so he has more than just a passing interest on the phenomenon.
HOWEVER, at this point, I'm still at a loss at understanding why Chrisitianity started, when the Catholic Church formed, who Jesus was if he even existed, and the place of the "Gospels" or any work of "scripture"...even if the scriptures were copied without error. And if they were copied with errors or changed by PTW or PTB, maybe that's why comedians like Bill Maher say that the Bible reads like a MadLibs word game: "hey look, Eve came from Adam's...rib ." Like I questioned before in this post http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8379#28379
"JESUS CHRIST = BASIL THE GREAT = POPE GREGORY HILDEBRAND = ANDRONICUS"
and now add as another possible reflection JOSHUA
Fomenko seems to believe that the world's other religions began with Jesus and Christianity, and the rest are derivations from it. He also believes that the Apocalypse mentioned in Revelation was for a time period (give or take a few years) around 1492, and that Jesus may be buried in Istanbul at a site currently believed to be the grave of (Saint?) Joshua.
Excerpt from Chronology 2, page 77
However, according to our reconstruction, Joshua
son of Nun is merely another name of Jesus Christ
(Andronicus), qv below; one can thus suggest that
this tallest hill of the Upper Bosporus might really be
the famous Golgotha where they crucified Christ.
Since we doubt that all of our readers have heard
or read about the "grave of Joshua son of Nun", we
shall tell its story in brief. Jalal Assad, the famous
Muslim author of the XIX century tells us that "if
one is to follow the Asian coast of the Bosporus, one
comes to a small bunder by the name of Sutluge,
which is where the path to the tallest hill of the Upper
Bosporus. On top of this hill (180 metres above the
sea level) there is the grave of Joshua son of Nun, or Iou-
shah... There are many different superstitions con-
cerning this gigantic grave, which is four metres long
and half a metre wide. According to one opinion, this
used to be the bed of Heracles; some others deem
this to be the grave of Amycus killed by Polydeuces
[Polydes, or Pilates? - A. F.]. Muslims believe this to
be the grave of Joshua, son of Nun. Many travel
there. .. in hope of curing their ills.
One sees some Byzantine ruins on the top of this
hill - possibly the ruins of the Church of St. Pan-
taleimon, as well as a holy spring. .. in the Byzantine
epoch this place was called the Bed of Heracles. .. the
renowned village of Beykos is located at the foot of
this hill; this is where the Argonauts came to replen-
ish their supply of food, and also the place where king
Amycus was killed" (, pages 76-77).
Peter wrote:... but surely there are plenty of disculpatory or confirming sources that refute the millennial redate? (eg. All the hope for the resurrection at the turn of the first millenium.....if he hadn't been born at that time, it would be hard to expect him to return, no?)
NOW, this question I can answer better.
Have you ever read about apocalyptic cults
They seem to span ALL OF KNOWN HUMAN HISTORY,
and I have a good guess why:
HUMANS ARE MORTAL.
So, I imagine that those cults are first formed by mostly middle-aged or elderly people who realize that parts of life sucks for some reason or other, so uh, God's gonna off almost everyone and create a New Age of Enlightenment after getting ridding of the sucky parts of his blessed Creation. Even without an Apocalypse, most of these cultists would have about 20 to 30 years of LIFE ON EARTH left regardless on average...which also seems to coincide with when exactly their "estimate" of the Date of the Coming Apocalypse.
And when the Apocalypse doesn't come, these idiots extend the timeline by one or more generations, until followers lose complete interest in the bullshit or the date of the Apocalypse is post-poned to some way distant future or its agreed that The End will Come only When God decides.
And what I said above doesn't take into account possible reasons of taking advantage of people for political/power/wealth reasons, and /or CIA influences.
Some light reading on apocalyptic cults:
2. http://www.neatorama.com/2007/01/24/fun ... the-world/
"Fun Facts About the End of the World"
Excerpt from http://www.neatorama.com/2007/01/24/fun ... the-world/
: being the grandson and great-grandson of American presidents and writing the memoir The Education of Henry Adams, which Modern Library named the Best Nonfiction Book of the 20th century.
: In his old age, with the confidence of a man who would not live to be proved wrong, Adams declared the world as we know it would end in 1921.
What Happened Instead
: Adams’ world as he knew it ended in 1918.
Anyway, FOMENKO'S historical
(not astronomical) reasons for dating the Book of Revelations to year 1486 A.D. starts on page 160 of Chronology 1
http://books.google.com/books?q=fomenko ... arch+Books
So, I think Fomenko is saying that year 1492 A.D. was also the year at the time expected to be Year 7000 from Adam, so that would have had a millenial expectation as well.
REGARDLESS OF THIS MILLENIAL ASPECT, THE MIDDLE & DARK AGES WERE KNOWN FOR THEIR OWN APOCALYPTIC CULTS OR SENTIMENTS.
Excerpt from Chronology 1, pages 160-161
Why is 1486 the most congruous dating for the
writing of the Apocalypse in our reconstruction? As
it is well known, the Apocalypse is primarily con-
cerned with all matters related to Doomsday. ((The
Apocalypse and its visions (apart from the first three
chapters)... is an image of the final hour of the
World. .. or the Eschaton, and it must serve as a man-
ual for the Revelations" (, Book 3, Volume 11,
page 511). But that year, when the entire mediaeval
Christian world anticipated Doomsday in terror, is
well known to history. This is 1492 A.D. which was
year 7000 from Adam of the Byzantine era. According
to the tradition of the epoch, Doomsday was sup-
posed to fall on this year precisely.
The Apocalypse is thus concerned with the advent
of the Judgement Day, expected in 1492 A.D. The first
lines of the Apocalypse state explicitly: "Because the
time is near» (AP 1:3). That should mean the prox-
imity of the year 1492 A.D., or the year 7000 since
Adam. Note that it was in 1492, that Columbus set
out to sea, in the age of Doomsday expectations.
Therefore, our independent astronomical dating
of the Apocalypse to 1486 A.D. - that is, 6994 years
from Adam - corresponds ideally with the content of
the book. The Apocalypse was written only six years
before the expected End of the World in the fifteenth
Dating the Apocalypse to the end of the fifteenth
century also corresponds ideally with our formal
mathematical result as discussed in CHRONl, Chapter
5:9.3. The result lies in the fact that chronologically
the Apocalypse must not be considered the last book
of the Bible canon, but, rather, one of the first books
of the Old Testament. That is, the Apocalypse chrono-
logically occurs simultaneously with the Pentateuch
of Moses and not with the Gospels. Let us recall that
the contemporary Bible begins precisely with the
Pentateuch of Moses.
In other words, the Apocalypse is chronologically
incorrectly placed in the Bible next to the Gospels. It
was written much later than the Gospels. The Gospels,
according to our reconstruction, describe the events
of XI century. See more details below.
The Apocalypse predicts Judgement Day masking
the prediction with astronomical symbolism.
However, it is possible that this symbolism was ob-
scured in the subsequent editions of the XVI-XVII
centuries. An astronomical horoscope is encrypted
in the Apocalypse, and provides for the possibility of
dating it. The date of the horoscope is 1 October 1486,
which ideally corresponds to the expected mediaeval
date of the Judgement Day in 1492, which is explained
well by our reconstruction.
The Apocalypse was most likely written at the end
of the fifteenth century A.D., several years before what
the entire mediaeval Christian world perceived as the
impending Judgement Day in the year 7.000 since
Adam, or 1492 A.D. Deep fear of this event is vividly
reflected in the Apocalypse.
Look at the artwork on PAGES 162-163 especially (with other artwork thru page 166) of the depiction of the Biblical Apocalypse
Excerpt from Chronology 1, from Page 161 and Page 163
After having astronomically dated the Apocalypse
to the end of the XV century, it is interesting to eval-
uate the mediaeval illustrations to this Biblical text
from an entirely new point of view. A mediaeval XVI
century picture of the Apocalypse can be seen on
fig. 3.41 (, Volume 8, page 442). We see a rider
who is shooting a musket (figure 3.42). The lock of
the musket is quite visible. The rider pulls the trig-
ger, and the barrel disgorges fire. The powder horn
can be seen attached to the barrel. The word "Death"
is written above the rider. We see that mediaeval artists
reflected the realities of the epoch when the Apoca-
lypse was written in their illustrations. It is well known
that firearms, muskets, and guns were already widely
used on the XV century battlefields. For example, in
the Constantinople siege of 1453, the Ottomans used
heavy artillery ([240).
Another XVI century illustration from the Apo-
calypse ([ 745], Volume 8, page 45 I and fig. 3.43) shows
the destruction made by an angel "blowing into the
pipe" from which a fountain of flame escapes. This
very probably depicts a mediaeval gun, shooting with
either cannonballs or case-shot. The mediaeval artist
depicted the flame of a large explosion where the ball
landed. Apparently, in the Middle Ages guns were
sometimes referred to and depicted as pipes belching
fire and smoke. This tradition of depicting guns on the
illustrations to the Apocalypse survived until as re-
centlyas the XVIII century.
Figure 3.44 provides an il-
lustration from the Commented Apocalypse of 1799
([7451. Volume 9, page 485). On the whole, the sub-
ject is the same as that of the XV I century illustration
- an angel "blowing into a pipe" disgorging fire. We
also see the flames rising from the explosion of the
missile at a distance. A gunshot is even better visible
in the mediaeval illustration to the Apocalypse which
one sees on fig. 3.45 (see 1745], Volume 9. page 486).
Above we can see the "pipe," into which the angel
blows. The flame escapes the pipe, and we see a far-
away explosion of the projectile hitting the ground.
From the XV century and on, guns invoked terror
in Europe. The appearance of such terrifying images
on the illustrations to the recently written Apocalypse
was therefore campletely natural. All of this, albeit in-
directly, confirms our astronomical dating of the
Apocalypse to the end of the fifteenth century.