I was waiting for that, naturally. Don't think I didn't see this myself. But note how none of those terms fit into the corporate and or gov control meme, which was the point.
There's corporal and coffer as well. I tried to make it clear, however briefly, that it's Not the C itself per se. That's neutral in itself. It's how someone Used it when crafting Modern English, also in the context of the ensuing corporate world.
There's Canada and I like it. But ain't it funny that with Phoenicia we've something akin to a Phony C.
Yeah all the above is out on a limb and I know that, simply due to those other positive words. I could offer here that they did that to throw us off the scent but I won't. The whole thing above was spontaneous so perhaps hasty as well.
I should have stuck with the esoteric meanings. It's all there in the kabbalistic letter meanings. C and K ... how the Overall meaning is found in words like cup, cover, clasp etc.
But let's just write it off to refinement - and refinement only. Ha. I went back to see if I should edit or delete the whole thing but I'll let it stick unless Fintan says it's too much noise. The C stuff anyway.
I'll close by recalling that it's there also in Masonic texts although I don't have any of those books. I've seen the quotes. Modern English was crafted As a double edged sword. It helps and hinders. Many of us know how the elites play their word/number/symbols game. It's almost a fetish.
This alone is a tip off.
Audio: Ancient Mysteries with Gary Evans
"That the C is a circle and the T is as a measurement of a vertical height is as a plane to a perpendicular. In the case of the C, it is as the "plane of the Earth", and becomes the mythological "Garden of Eden", while the T is as the Sun, seen as it does as an apparent rising and falling in a vertical rise and fall in an arc across the sky.
The Letter C is created by the shadow of the Earth as it "covers", or passes over, the surface of the moon. Hence the Letter C as a process of its fabrication and philosophical construction is described in the word "C-OVER". This very philosophical truth was used to promote the Mel Gibson movie, "Apocalypto". D. Fetcho.
You'd need a bit of an intro sorry... but I find this an amazing find. Just last week I made the "connection" between the Caduceus and Oroboros. The Oroborus serpent is (ie, to be seen) horizontal, it's matter and all it's cycles and more or less unconscious. Then the caduceus is in center and perpendicular. It's where all the Conscious work goes on, bringing us up and out of the pit as it were. A bit like the Maypole and circumnambulants. It's about a helical process...
I indicated above that it's not any letter, in itself. To clarify;
"An anonymous Masonic author wrote,
'Letters are symbols of sounds. The letter X is a symbol of the sound EKS. It is also the Roman numeral signifying ten; in mathematics it signifies any unknown quantity. Thus it means different things in different places. The school boy struggling with algebra does not think of X as meaning ten or a part of the word extra, or example; to him it means a number he must find. If on the title page of a book you read "Published MCMX" you understand the book was printed in 1910; the X here is not EKS, nor is it a number to be found by algebraic calculation. The meaning depends here on the location, and the use.'"
I also said that the C appears Quite significant. D. Fetcho seems to say same with, "Yet as we peer into this peculiar acrophonic creation in combination with the homonyms associated within the acrophonic crafting, we find that much of the language revolving around the Letter C is indeed an ingenious crafting of superb Qaballistic expression."
Indeed (he's referring to the varied uses of or approaches to a letter). So I'm saying Something is up here yet I can't put my finger on it. C for some reason has been extra special to the initiates who crafted Modern English... AND, we suspect, some faction who had their eyes on the "rabble factor" so to speak.
Perhaps this could be looked at from the other direction. Why... the Norse had Just the s and k. No x either altho they had the glyph for that, meaning g.
This just goes on. Ask yourself why the Norse, in light of the ubiquitous nature of astrology or at least the Zodiac, never mentioned Anything about it in the lays and Eddas etc.
Of course, we see some of the Aesir associated with days of the week and certain planets yet that's reading back into it. It's clear there was importation as say Thor and Jupiter have quite similar aspects. Still, there's no formulated astrological anything. I find this significant.
I wonder how correct M Tsarion et al are in their model of an original West to East migration. Mainstream supposedly just covering the latter migrations East to West. Seems to assume however there were no vacuums and or full on isolation.
> The Norse did not elaborate on, never mind acknowledge, Any of this traditional mystical lore we find essentially everywhere else. Other, say island, tribes were same to be fair. So then we need to ask ourselves how some Peoples cooked up all that stuff - and why other Peoples didn't even come close. We are talking about ourselves here, from subtle anatomy to planetary observance which effects everything including said anatomy.
Something I've looked at with suspicion is this term chakra. Rather, why the West, Still, has no counterpart for said system (Wheels of Light doesn't cut it). Was Everyone in the West back then too insensitive/unsophisticated to figure any of this out!? All or most of this Traditional mystical-magical lore is from either the Middle or Far East! Something is amiss here. As far as I know, most of the Western paths were more shamanic way back then, no elaborate symbol systems.
Kabbalah, I-Ching, Chakras, Stellar Lore, Zodiacal Astrology itself, Ceremonial Magic... None of this stuff came from North West Europe as far as we can tell. It was all imported, Then slavishly elaborated. Now maybe import isn't the correct term?
Sounds like another major part of history is missing.
To end this post, I recall reading a text at Rune-Net, now more or less dead, about how the craftsmen of the early rune rows (tho not the English Futhorc I don't think) created the runes to... separate themselves from the Roman world. May be a speculative notion but I'll say hear hear.
The Letter C is created by the shadow of the Earth as it "covers", or passes over, the surface of the moon. Hence the Letter C as a process of its fabrication and philosophical construction is described in the word "C-OVER". This very philosophical truth was used to promote the Mel Gibson movie, "Apocalypto". D. Fetcho.
You'd need a bit of an intro sorry... but I find this an amazing find. Just last week I made the "connection" between the Caduceus and Oroboros. The Oroborus serpent is (ie, to be seen) horizontal, it's matter and all it's cycles and more or less unconscious. Then the caduceus is in center and perpendicular. It's where all the Conscious work goes on, bringing us up and out of the pit as it were. A bit like the Maypole and circumnambulants. It's about a helical process...
I indicated above that it's not any letter, in itself. To clarify;
"An anonymous Masonic author wrote,
'Letters are symbols of sounds. The letter X is a symbol of the sound EKS. It is also the Roman numeral signifying ten; in mathematics it signifies any unknown quantity. Thus it means different things in different places. The school boy struggling with algebra does not think of X as meaning ten or a part of the word extra, or example; to him it means a number he must find. If on the title page of a book you read "Published MCMX" you understand the book was printed in 1910; the X here is not EKS, nor is it a number to be found by algebraic calculation. The meaning depends here on the location, and the use.'"
I also said that the C appears Quite significant. D. Fetcho seems to say same with, "Yet as we peer into this peculiar acrophonic creation in combination with the homonyms associated within the acrophonic crafting, we find that much of the language revolving around the Letter C is indeed an ingenious crafting of superb Qaballistic expression."
Indeed (he's referring to the varied uses of or approaches to a letter). So I'm saying Something is up here yet I can't put my finger on it. C for some reason has been extra special to the initiates who crafted Modern English... AND, we suspect, some faction who had their eyes on the "rabble factor" so to speak.
Perhaps this could be looked at from the other direction. Why... the Norse had Just the s and k. No x either altho they had the glyph for that, meaning g.
This just goes on. Ask yourself why the Norse, in light of the ubiquitous nature of astrology or at least the Zodiac, never mentioned Anything about it in the lays and Eddas etc.
Of course, we see some of the Aesir associated with days of the week and certain planets yet that's reading back into it. It's clear there was importation as say Thor and Jupiter have quite similar aspects. Still, there's no formulated astrological anything. I find this significant.
I wonder how correct M Tsarion et al are in their model of an original West to East migration. Mainstream supposedly just covering the latter migrations East to West. Seems to assume however there were no vacuums and or full on isolation.
> The Norse did not elaborate on, never mind acknowledge, Any of this traditional mystical lore we find essentially everywhere else. Other, say island, tribes were same to be fair. So then we need to ask ourselves how some Peoples cooked up all that stuff - and why other Peoples didn't even come close. We are talking about ourselves here, from subtle anatomy to planetary observance which effects everything including said anatomy.
Something I've looked at with suspicion is this term chakra. Rather, why the West, Still, has no counterpart for said system (Wheels of Light doesn't cut it). Was Everyone in the West back then too insensitive/unsophisticated to figure any of this out!? All or most of this Traditional mystical-magical lore is from either the Middle or Far East! Something is amiss here. As far as I know, most of the Western paths were more shamanic way back then, no elaborate symbol systems.
Kabbalah, I-Ching, Chakras, Stellar Lore, Zodiacal Astrology itself, Ceremonial Magic... None of this stuff came from North West Europe as far as we can tell. It was all imported, Then slavishly elaborated. Now maybe import isn't the correct term?
Sounds like another major part of history is missing.
To end this post, I recall reading a text at Rune-Net, now more or less dead, about how the craftsmen of the early rune rows (tho not the English Futhorc I don't think) created the runes to... separate themselves from the Roman world. May be a speculative notion but I'll say hear hear.
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I don't think the letter C wasn’t invented for English. Wasn't it invented several thousand years ago to write down the sounds of Phoenician, a language related to Hebrew and Arabic. At the time, the letter was called “gamel” or something like that, which means ‘camel’ (see the C?). It represented the G sound /g/ (the letter G was invented later, by the Romans)?
Later on the Greeks started using the Phoenician alphabet and they used the letter to represent the G sound, too. Not having any camels, they called it “gamma”; the K sound was represented by the letter K, called “kappa”. And later still, people in Italy used it, but they didn’t have a G sound, so they used it for the K sound.
Greek alphabet:
The Romans eventually wound up using this alphabet, with the letter C standing for the K sound, but they did have a G sound, so they put a little jot on the C and made it a G (they didn’t use the letter K, except for words they borrowed from Greek).”
The result was the modern G. But how did C come to represent both the hard sound of K (as in “car”) and the sibilant sound of S (as in “publicity”)?
In 1066, William the Conqueror, the Duke of Normandy (part of modern France), invaded and conquered England. He brought with him the French language, which became the lingua franca of the Royal Court, and the business classes. During this time, the English language absorbed many French words and French spellings.
We get things booted down to us from these Kings and conqueror types. There is always some self serving purpose with these inbred swine.
The hybrid language that emerged was called Middle English, the language of the 'great' poet Geoffrey Chaucer (author of “The Canterbury Tales”). It is believed that, during this period of language mixing, the letter C acquired its S sound, because of the many French words which use C in that way.
After spending much time sharing the same symbol, G and C came to be the two separate letters that we know them as today.
Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, suggests two very important findings: language originated only once, and the specific place of origin may be southwestern Africa.
While most studies focus on words in order to trace the birth of modern language, Atkinson zeroed in on phonemes (the basic distinctive units of sound by which words are represented) of over 500 languages around the world. By applying mathematical methods to linguistics, Atkinson discovered that the further humans traveled from Africa, the fewer number of phonemes survived.
To put this into perspective: Many African click languages or “klick consonants,” found in all three Khoisan language families, have more than 100 phonemes while the languages of Oceania, the spoken language of the Pacific Islands, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand – the latter being the furthest migration route out of Africa, have only 13. The Modern English language has approximately 45 phonemes.
Like using Hexadecimal instead of Binary? But in reverse.
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A number of mystical ideologies operate under the premise that existence as we know it was not created by a primordial, self-caused entity, popularly called God. Rather, they operate under the premise that existence is an emanation in which the primordial First Cause (that is, “God”), although remaining unchanged also divides and transforms Itself through a series of progressively denser stages until the physical world as we know it comes into being. This idea is found in Neoplatonic, Gnostic, Hermetic, Kabalist, Samkhyan, and Tantric systems....
Verse 35 from an esoteric Tantric meditation manual called the Saundarya-Lahari, which is the text-accompaniment of a famous Tantric image called Śri Chakra (also, Śri Yantra; the discipline itself is called Śri Vidya), explains it nicely:
You are the mind, you are space, and you also are fire. You are water and earth, too. When you have transformed yourself into the universe in this way, there is nothing that exists in relation to you. To transform yourself into the universe, you assume the aspects of consciousness and bliss in the form of the power of Śiva.
Manipulate the above, mix in your super secret shady ingredients, shake vigorously, you have your controlling Western outlook. How to control the 'West'? How to make the 'West' feel like they have something to lose?
That these ancient peoples thought differently than we do and that we must understand this difference if we are to study them properly seems obvious, but how difficult it is to put this idea into practice.
The Temple of Man
http://www.amazon.com/The-Temple-Man-Sc ... 0892815701
The Temple in Man
http://www.fatuma.net/text/R.A.Schwalle ... ectMan.pdf
Later on the Greeks started using the Phoenician alphabet and they used the letter to represent the G sound, too. Not having any camels, they called it “gamma”; the K sound was represented by the letter K, called “kappa”. And later still, people in Italy used it, but they didn’t have a G sound, so they used it for the K sound.
Greek alphabet:
The Romans eventually wound up using this alphabet, with the letter C standing for the K sound, but they did have a G sound, so they put a little jot on the C and made it a G (they didn’t use the letter K, except for words they borrowed from Greek).”
The result was the modern G. But how did C come to represent both the hard sound of K (as in “car”) and the sibilant sound of S (as in “publicity”)?
In 1066, William the Conqueror, the Duke of Normandy (part of modern France), invaded and conquered England. He brought with him the French language, which became the lingua franca of the Royal Court, and the business classes. During this time, the English language absorbed many French words and French spellings.
We get things booted down to us from these Kings and conqueror types. There is always some self serving purpose with these inbred swine.
The hybrid language that emerged was called Middle English, the language of the 'great' poet Geoffrey Chaucer (author of “The Canterbury Tales”). It is believed that, during this period of language mixing, the letter C acquired its S sound, because of the many French words which use C in that way.
After spending much time sharing the same symbol, G and C came to be the two separate letters that we know them as today.
Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, suggests two very important findings: language originated only once, and the specific place of origin may be southwestern Africa.
While most studies focus on words in order to trace the birth of modern language, Atkinson zeroed in on phonemes (the basic distinctive units of sound by which words are represented) of over 500 languages around the world. By applying mathematical methods to linguistics, Atkinson discovered that the further humans traveled from Africa, the fewer number of phonemes survived.
To put this into perspective: Many African click languages or “klick consonants,” found in all three Khoisan language families, have more than 100 phonemes while the languages of Oceania, the spoken language of the Pacific Islands, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand – the latter being the furthest migration route out of Africa, have only 13. The Modern English language has approximately 45 phonemes.
Like using Hexadecimal instead of Binary? But in reverse.
A number of mystical ideologies operate under the premise that existence as we know it was not created by a primordial, self-caused entity, popularly called God. Rather, they operate under the premise that existence is an emanation in which the primordial First Cause (that is, “God”), although remaining unchanged also divides and transforms Itself through a series of progressively denser stages until the physical world as we know it comes into being. This idea is found in Neoplatonic, Gnostic, Hermetic, Kabalist, Samkhyan, and Tantric systems....
Verse 35 from an esoteric Tantric meditation manual called the Saundarya-Lahari, which is the text-accompaniment of a famous Tantric image called Śri Chakra (also, Śri Yantra; the discipline itself is called Śri Vidya), explains it nicely:
You are the mind, you are space, and you also are fire. You are water and earth, too. When you have transformed yourself into the universe in this way, there is nothing that exists in relation to you. To transform yourself into the universe, you assume the aspects of consciousness and bliss in the form of the power of Śiva.
Manipulate the above, mix in your super secret shady ingredients, shake vigorously, you have your controlling Western outlook. How to control the 'West'? How to make the 'West' feel like they have something to lose?
That these ancient peoples thought differently than we do and that we must understand this difference if we are to study them properly seems obvious, but how difficult it is to put this idea into practice.
The Temple of Man
http://www.amazon.com/The-Temple-Man-Sc ... 0892815701
The Temple in Man
http://www.fatuma.net/text/R.A.Schwalle ... ectMan.pdf
"Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
Southpark Fan wrote:I don't think the letter C wasn’t invented for English. Wasn't it invented several thousand years ago to write down the sounds of Phoenician, a language related to Hebrew and Arabic. At the time, the letter was called “gamel” or something like that, which means ‘camel’ (see the C?). It represented the G sound /g/ (the letter G was invented later, by the Romans)?
>> Yes I indicated that. It's gimmel and there is a clear connection. "Problem" is there's a lot of overlap due to the various encryption approaches, from phonetics to the visual shape of the letter to it's numeric position, connection with other letters etc. The G... is a composite glyph. G and T!
Later on the Greeks started using the Phoenician alphabet and they used the letter to represent the G sound, too. Not having any camels, they called it “gamma”; the K sound was represented by the letter K, called “kappa”. And later still, people in Italy used it, but they didn’t have a G sound, so they used it for the K sound.
Greek alphabet:
The Romans eventually wound up using this alphabet, with the letter C standing for the K sound, but they did have a G sound, so they put a little jot on the C and made it a G (they didn’t use the letter K, except for words they borrowed from Greek).”
>> Again, all these letters have their kabbalistic significance. What I'm saying is that each letter has a plethora of meaning attached. And All of it is traceable back to the underlying foundation which is Pi. It's an integral system; regardless of sound/language evolution anywhere, any when. Otherwise I wouldn't have brought this up. This is my current understanding of it anyway.
Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, suggests two very important findings: language originated only once, and the specific place of origin may be southwestern Africa.
>> That's fine. Yet consider that man is Much older than what mainstream says. Apart from hieroglyphs, ain't it funny that all those ancient massive structures (etc) lack any form of writing we are familiar with? Like what did they use for blueprints a etc etc? Couldn't be pictures.
His idea makes me restate my observation that how is it some Peoples (not a small group but Peoples) can figure out X, while other Entire Peoples remain utterly clueless. Yet what do we hear today? Oh artist so and so made an album cover of something that happened two years down the road. Or two authors or artists hitting on the same idea. Something here is amiss and it smacks of Cover up, again.
While most studies focus on words in order to trace the birth of modern language, Atkinson zeroed in on phonemes (the basic distinctive units of sound by which words are represented) of over 500 languages around the world. By applying mathematical methods to linguistics, Atkinson discovered that the further humans traveled from Africa, the fewer number of phonemes
survived.
>> This sounds familiar now. I like the Russian findings where the theory is that dna itself is the origin of language {I like this as it would then be an Aspect Of this greater body of timeless physics/metaphysics lore). I think Stan Tenen has another idea. But did you know that some guy found a huge Network of conspicuous sites in S Africa which he thinks is evidence of this et thing about mining for gold? Point there is that it all seems to have sprung up from there. Meaning this is around the general region that this legacy/bloodline/conquest/control/nwo quest thing issued. But maybe not. I think Icke said it was more around the Sumerian region.
To put this into perspective: Many African click languages or “klick consonants,” found in all three Khoisan language families, have more than 100 phonemes while the languages of Oceania, the spoken language of the Pacific Islands, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand – the latter being the furthest migration route out of Africa, have only 13. The Modern English language has approximately 45 phonemes.
>> Interesting. I read that some Alaskan tribes have 200 words for (varying) snow. This is kinda what I meant about emphasis. They can use those words due to all that snow... In the list above with all those corporate like words...Well, it seems that the Sy$tem was IN MIND when Modern English was crafted.
And here I can remind readers about that amazing historical stuff about the Church and cash. How Christianity and the Corporate world were kinda in bed together. That it was the Same folks behind both, with one goal. Like why the biblical passages used economic terms, "Wages of sin is death", or, "He paid a Debt." So we are born into Debt, as to sin.
There's still some conspiracy herein.
Like using Hexadecimal instead of Binary? But in reverse.
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A number of mystical ideologies operate under the premise that existence as we know it was not created by a primordial, self-caused entity, popularly called God. Rather, they operate under the premise that existence is an emanation in which the primordial First Cause (that is, “God”), although remaining unchanged also divides and transforms Itself through a series of progressively denser stages until the physical world as we know it comes into being. This idea is found in Neoplatonic, Gnostic, Hermetic, Kabalist, Samkhyan, and Tantric systems....
>> Yes this is what I've been into for almost two decades. Neoplatonic Emanation theory, aka (Hermetic) Kabbalah, which isn't exclusively Jewish. I think some folks are saying all this lore was originally Druidic. Not sure the chronology and it may come down to labels. But then Druids were eventually put aside.
Verse 35 from an esoteric Tantric meditation manual called the Saundarya-Lahari, which is the text-accompaniment of a famous Tantric image called Śri Chakra (also, Śri Yantra; the discipline itself is called Śri Vidya), explains it nicely:
You are the mind, you are space, and you also are fire. You are water and earth, too. When you have transformed yourself into the universe in this way, there is nothing that exists in relation to you. To transform yourself into the universe, you assume the aspects of consciousness and bliss in the form of the power of Śiva.
>> Note my point above of how we really don't find works like that in ancient Northwest Europe. !!! Seems to me it was more literary, in poems, lays and all that. We do not find any major esoteric systems from these lands. Why? To busy dealing with the elements? It's been said by some that John Dee's Enochian is the only major system that is purely Western. Of course, the West seems to have made inroads in everything Else.
Manipulate the above, mix in your super secret shady ingredients, shake vigorously, you have your controlling Western outlook. How to control the 'West'? How to make the 'West' feel like they have something to lose?
That these ancient peoples thought differently than we do and that we must understand this difference if we are to study them properly seems obvious, but how difficult it is to put this idea into practice.
>> Could be, somewhere about there. Hard to pin it down. Everyone knows the dichotomy of east and western culture. But we both seem to be indicating it's like that due to some early on machinations. That it wasn't a natural evolution into this way of being. Whatever the case there, I've always wondered how whole groups can have the same color hair and eyes doh (or visa versa).
A major point I heard from Alan watt was that it was the Jesuits who first got themselves into Japan. To sum up, from that time forward Nippon has been used and abused, to date. But it was the Jesuits... they've quite the track record. It appears there has always been Some faction out for more than their share. Sounds like nwo was already in their minds way back then. We could have already Had a plethora of nwo's!
Thank you for sharing! I thought this may have been a long flame. Yeah I've never read any of this man's work yet tsk. Feel free to share some highlights.
Something I can mention, in looking at that row you posted, is that the Futharks had this threefold split. The three Aetts. 3 groupings of runes, of whichever row. No other rows out there do this, evenly. Hebrew has it's 3-fold of simple, double and mother letters but it's not an even split.
Now, there is one row which has a similar Even 3-fold split - if the book I have laid it out according to that or simply format convenience! But the fact that the overall system is based on 7, 3 times, as per the Sigil of Truth seems to clinch it for me. Guess? John Dee's Angelical or Enochian! 21 letters, in 3 rows. Now what did I say above about Enochian being the Only major magical system of the West? Yeah, I can spin it....
Thanks for the feedback.
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I am kind of outta my league here. Your knowledge on the things you discuss surpasses mine. Anyway, maybe the 'dictionary' was created not to educate about what letters/sounds/words were available to express 'something'....maybe it was created as a finite list to confine thought/maintain specific language structure/limit expression/control interpretations/learn not to question/don't worry; 'we' have an answer for everything.
This gets away from your thoughts a bit, but there was quite an effort not long ago, to peddle this nicely contained box of thoughts door-to-door (here in N America), in the form of encyclopedias. Now they use technology/Hollywood/Ads/Music/monopolised media/monopolised publishing etc...to peddle the box of twisted views of reality.We express ourselves in a conventional language, and the dictionary defines and limits the meaning of each word. Therefore, we can understand nothing beyond what the dictionary knows. We write with conventional alphabetic signs that in themselves express only sounds; thus our alphabet is merely a mechanical means for composing the words in the dictionary and transmitting the thoughts they encompass. It may be said that the combinations of these letters are almost infinite: true, but the number of words is limited by notions already acquired. Thought can also examine observed phenomena and seek the causes. . . . Certainly it can, but as soon as it approaches the metaphysical, it can no longer find in our languages and forms of writing the means of expressing itself: abstract ideas, formulated in words for which we lack the concepts, are objectified and lose their significance.
It follows from these observations that either there exists only a concrete world perceptible to the senses, or we lack a faculty that would enable us to grasp the abstract, without having to concretize through the imagination. The process is ingrained in us, in accordance with a mode that always leads toward the quantitative definition. This is the inverse of many mentalities – like ancient Egyptian.
If an unknown phenomenon appears, it is already the concretization of a cause that was abstract for us. Instead of searching out the nature of this cause, we obey our reductionist tendency and restrict both cause and phenomenon to the realm of the mechanical mentality. We investigate nothing deeply; we pull everything down to our own limits. However, a simple image proves to us that there is a way we can express ourselves without limiting a notion to a defined form, and transcribe our thought without imposing our own mentality on those who will read this image. We have gotten into the habit of reducing everything in Time and Space: this is the rational habit. An image, on the other hand, gives access to a world of qualities and functions. For instance, if we say "a man walks,'' we see a man walking, but we see him in a limited way: we imagine only the fact of moving or walking. We can then place that fact in the past, present, or future and all the gradations of these tenses: we situate this movement in Time and Space. If, on the other hand, we see an image that represents a man walking (or simply lines depicting a man) we no longer imagine him, we no longer situate him; he is there, it is the function that interests us, and the quality of that function. We can then paint this man green: it will no longer be solely the function of walking with one's legs that is evoked—this movement could also signify vegetation or growth. But to our reason, walking and growing are two different functions, while in reality there is an abstract connection between them: it is movement outside consideration of Time, or pathway, or specific direction. If we wish to define this movement, we immediately reduce it in Time and Space, whereas there is no further need to define the feeling of motion (whether walking or growing); the image—the symbol—acts as definition, and we can in fact experience this condition (unconsciously become one with it, without any reasoning) just as any child would looking at pictures.
Thus, the representation—the symbol—is our only true means of transmitting an esoteric meaning, which, in alphabetic writing, we have to seek in parable, or, possibly metaphor or allegory. The Chinese mentality is characteristic of this transcribed symbolic mentality: the idea is circumscribed but not named. Something of this mentality, which we encounter in the Egypt of the pharaohs, has remained among the peoples of the Middle East: the indirect question and answer.
Symbolic representation and imagistic writing are the pure hierarchic forms of esoteric expression. Through symbolism, and through it alone can we read the thought of the Ancients. It is only through the symbolical that we will be able to coordinate the known elements of this great civilization and that the writing may take on its true meaning.
"Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
No this is a good example of the overall situation, thanks. What I'm broaching is nothing new. I'm just using the C as reference. With symbols there's so much more leeway. Yet this naturally isn't appropriate in our bean counting corporate world of high tech. There's still the esoteric angle of the alphabet and it is as he says, approached via metaphor etc. It's a non linear approach and so much overlapping is involved. But that write up still makes me wonder about ancient plans for those same era structures. If they had anything akin to blueprints, imagine that full of hieroglyphs... Seems impractical and I don't know.
Wasn't looking for it but found another good blogger quote regarding what I called the Imposter above...
"I spend some time on the internet and I read various blogs. When it comes to religion, I have never seen such confusion and much of it is contained in what is known as the Christian west. Most of the older civilizations understand each other whether it be Tao, Hinduism, Native American, or Buddhism. That is because the foundation of each is basically the same. These are the scientific systems that first brought the light. The Native American is perfectly at home in the Potala of Tibet, A Hindu Temple or Shaolin Temple in China. And indeed they do at times attend functions there. Christians of the west never do as their belief system is just a theory, it is not based on scientific fact, the elementary particle of the universe known as the Christos, prana or Great White Spirit. Those in the west are simplistic when it comes to some of this but on the other hand very egotistical."
This fits perfectly with the lines about the Church and or Christianity And the Corporate state (collusion). Further, he mentions science as substrate to those early Eastern systems... Here we can of course refer to this suppressed science which this thread was about. The alphabet has been demonstrated to be a symbolic Aspect to this science, involving Pi and so much else.
Another funny thing, for Fintan, is that the C is visually akin to the two spheres just touching and creating that little gap. That gap is like a fulcrum and enables the whole system to work. Similarly is the High Priestess on the Middle Pillar, where this archetype extends from the top at Keter right down to the Sun; which thus crosses the Abyss. We can equate the lower side to matter. It's connects things (high priestess corresponded with gimmel/camel/G/C) for one. It's a refined enabler and limiter and perfect for their Hegelian Dialectical game. So to speak.
Compare words that begin with say D. Try finding a bunch of words that begin with D that have overt positive natures. Too many negatives; dumb, death, dull, de this, dis that, destitute and this list is massive and mostly all negative which is perfectly fitting for this letter. However note that those D words don't have much to do with governmental/economic control phenomena...
There's delegate and debt. The latter is a loss which is the D thing. There are exceptions but it appears the D doesn't have this overt dual nature, despite that very word dual. Its more a duel......
Now in a certain cipher, the C = S in numeric value, 3. This is one reason Why we've words like sin and cinema. But with our old S already... why craft so many (modern, wink) words with a soft C? Or words with sc?
A heck of a lot of this was crafted in such a way as to reduce to Pi or some similar concept which is seasonal and or astronomical. Therein is the hint towards the science.
May have mentioned it but Santos B. can go on about one tiny aspect of all this an entire afternoon. He does just that regarding one frigging word, atom. Now he says everything boils down to that. As far as I recall he has little to say about Pi which is beyond odd.
My only issue there is that it seems to be a Philosophical system; relative to itself. And the whole thing, ie zodiacal lore, is predicated on this arbitrary tilt angle of earth!! All of it.
On the other hand, Stan T and Dan W seem to have found, if not contrived, that the alphabet is a symbolic aspect to what we are today calling aether physics. In all the material I've perused from both, neither of them ever mention what Santos can talk for a solid week about! Very odd.
Dan says the letters map the tilt angle of the incoming Light (imploding/exploding aether). He has seemingly worked out (or in process of) a scheme where this can be utilized. So like one letter appears when the light hits a (wire) spiral at a certain angle, casting the spiral's shadow onto a surface. Now this is with Hebrew letters however. But Stan says it works with Greek also and another I forgot. Something of huge import is going on here and it's kinda odd how some say Hebrew is more the diversion when it comes to any esoteric significance.
Anyway, note say the word The, = Sun. I'll waive explanation but will say that by saying the, you've kinda of created something just then. The...tadah... apple. This is why we've the words theo, theology yadda.
As an aside, there's much lore to the T also. What I've been wondering is the myth about the god Tiwaz (or Tyr), which the T rune is named, in that he sacrificed his hand to the Fenriz wolf. I've had the notion, wishful thinking, that somewhere in Rune Lore, aspects of the vestiges of something significant might have been Preserved. That is, truths untarnished or tweaked by any and all vested interests. An exclusive Heathen insight as to Nature.
Not sure if I should keep at this here. If I could pin some things down I'd rewrite it all into an article or paper. So much fits, in surface appearances.
I still find it tooo interesting that the runic lands (the migrants anyway), were able to muster and carry out a demonstration that actually changed something; involving the control system. I did hear something disturbing and maybe someone knows. I heard that the ptb, due to that challenge to (central) bankers in Iceland, cooked up a radioactive plume and sent it over their way via haarp.
The hordes flooding into Scandinavia etc. is likely all by design. I think the Aesir and Vanir along with the ancestors should come up with a surprise sometime down the road. I'd like to know what would have happened if those founders of Black Metal were just starting out around now. Rather than burn churches maybe make some examples of those who force themselves on others. Maybe carve some runes in various foreheads. I had a new respect for them after learning they confronted various politicians.
Wasn't looking for it but found another good blogger quote regarding what I called the Imposter above...
"I spend some time on the internet and I read various blogs. When it comes to religion, I have never seen such confusion and much of it is contained in what is known as the Christian west. Most of the older civilizations understand each other whether it be Tao, Hinduism, Native American, or Buddhism. That is because the foundation of each is basically the same. These are the scientific systems that first brought the light. The Native American is perfectly at home in the Potala of Tibet, A Hindu Temple or Shaolin Temple in China. And indeed they do at times attend functions there. Christians of the west never do as their belief system is just a theory, it is not based on scientific fact, the elementary particle of the universe known as the Christos, prana or Great White Spirit. Those in the west are simplistic when it comes to some of this but on the other hand very egotistical."
This fits perfectly with the lines about the Church and or Christianity And the Corporate state (collusion). Further, he mentions science as substrate to those early Eastern systems... Here we can of course refer to this suppressed science which this thread was about. The alphabet has been demonstrated to be a symbolic Aspect to this science, involving Pi and so much else.
Another funny thing, for Fintan, is that the C is visually akin to the two spheres just touching and creating that little gap. That gap is like a fulcrum and enables the whole system to work. Similarly is the High Priestess on the Middle Pillar, where this archetype extends from the top at Keter right down to the Sun; which thus crosses the Abyss. We can equate the lower side to matter. It's connects things (high priestess corresponded with gimmel/camel/G/C) for one. It's a refined enabler and limiter and perfect for their Hegelian Dialectical game. So to speak.
Compare words that begin with say D. Try finding a bunch of words that begin with D that have overt positive natures. Too many negatives; dumb, death, dull, de this, dis that, destitute and this list is massive and mostly all negative which is perfectly fitting for this letter. However note that those D words don't have much to do with governmental/economic control phenomena...
There's delegate and debt. The latter is a loss which is the D thing. There are exceptions but it appears the D doesn't have this overt dual nature, despite that very word dual. Its more a duel......
Now in a certain cipher, the C = S in numeric value, 3. This is one reason Why we've words like sin and cinema. But with our old S already... why craft so many (modern, wink) words with a soft C? Or words with sc?
A heck of a lot of this was crafted in such a way as to reduce to Pi or some similar concept which is seasonal and or astronomical. Therein is the hint towards the science.
May have mentioned it but Santos B. can go on about one tiny aspect of all this an entire afternoon. He does just that regarding one frigging word, atom. Now he says everything boils down to that. As far as I recall he has little to say about Pi which is beyond odd.
My only issue there is that it seems to be a Philosophical system; relative to itself. And the whole thing, ie zodiacal lore, is predicated on this arbitrary tilt angle of earth!! All of it.
On the other hand, Stan T and Dan W seem to have found, if not contrived, that the alphabet is a symbolic aspect to what we are today calling aether physics. In all the material I've perused from both, neither of them ever mention what Santos can talk for a solid week about! Very odd.
Dan says the letters map the tilt angle of the incoming Light (imploding/exploding aether). He has seemingly worked out (or in process of) a scheme where this can be utilized. So like one letter appears when the light hits a (wire) spiral at a certain angle, casting the spiral's shadow onto a surface. Now this is with Hebrew letters however. But Stan says it works with Greek also and another I forgot. Something of huge import is going on here and it's kinda odd how some say Hebrew is more the diversion when it comes to any esoteric significance.
Anyway, note say the word The, = Sun. I'll waive explanation but will say that by saying the, you've kinda of created something just then. The...tadah... apple. This is why we've the words theo, theology yadda.
As an aside, there's much lore to the T also. What I've been wondering is the myth about the god Tiwaz (or Tyr), which the T rune is named, in that he sacrificed his hand to the Fenriz wolf. I've had the notion, wishful thinking, that somewhere in Rune Lore, aspects of the vestiges of something significant might have been Preserved. That is, truths untarnished or tweaked by any and all vested interests. An exclusive Heathen insight as to Nature.
Not sure if I should keep at this here. If I could pin some things down I'd rewrite it all into an article or paper. So much fits, in surface appearances.
I still find it tooo interesting that the runic lands (the migrants anyway), were able to muster and carry out a demonstration that actually changed something; involving the control system. I did hear something disturbing and maybe someone knows. I heard that the ptb, due to that challenge to (central) bankers in Iceland, cooked up a radioactive plume and sent it over their way via haarp.
The hordes flooding into Scandinavia etc. is likely all by design. I think the Aesir and Vanir along with the ancestors should come up with a surprise sometime down the road. I'd like to know what would have happened if those founders of Black Metal were just starting out around now. Rather than burn churches maybe make some examples of those who force themselves on others. Maybe carve some runes in various foreheads. I had a new respect for them after learning they confronted various politicians.
I see Sanskrit has both a symbol for the C(a) as well as CH(a) sounds. So the whole gist above is specifically about Modern English, in the context of the System.
I was musing on the spelling two major concepts or systems; Kabbalah and Kundalini. Both involve circuits and cycles. Keeping these two systems in mind, And the usage of C in M.E., note we've words like center, channel, corral, change, curve, caught, cut, crop, close, cleave, crimp, cling... In light of the overall process of Kundalini Rising, note the nature of these words; and how many. Center is descriptive. Channel and corral are like consolidating.
And then recall kink. This one word is better descriptive of the Kundalini process than all those above!
So once again, we see, via the Use of the C in M.E., something dubious as far as Man's natural state of being. That is, we're being fucked with on all sides - including our ability to spiritually evolve.
Yes, I'm really not sure if I'm serious with this. But note how Easily everything fits my theory... I haven't contrived one iota in any of this.
So it all does seem to fit with the esoteric meanings of C; which have been corresponded to All aspects of the Moon, among other things. That is, the Moon Goddess has a dark, occult, side. A badly placed Moon in your natal chart will cause all kinds of mental and emotional challenges. This kinda equates to challenges in Perception. And it all makes sense, in an Occult way doh.
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Another trail I'm on is in trying to find evidence of Pi in whichever rune row. Now Perthro is the most ambiguous stave out of all of them, subsequently dropped in the more recent rows. The book, "Long Branches" mentions that the P rune was Always right next to the Eiwhaz rune. This is true and there to see in the Elder Futhark. Author says Every other rune kept it's position in all other innovations, all But these two.
So we've Perthro and Eiwhaz. Drop the suffixes and we have yup, Pei or Pi. Before you laugh, recall my hunch above about Oroboros and Caduseus!
In unconventional format, I'll reply to the post below and edit stuff above. You are referring to exactly what I'm talking about, overall. Spiritual evolution or evolution of consciousness and or awareness. Enter language...about here Homer Simpson would undoubtedly yell out, "DOH!"
This is exactly what I mean by mentioning the two symbols, Oroboros And Caduceus. They are a system, a unit in fact. We've taken them separately. I'm on abstract turf here so we're not going to get to so called brass tacks. Still.
I've heard repeatedly, tho never heard once growing up, that the important books were sequestered. Any major book burning simply due to um discrete minded vested interests.
I was musing on the spelling two major concepts or systems; Kabbalah and Kundalini. Both involve circuits and cycles. Keeping these two systems in mind, And the usage of C in M.E., note we've words like center, channel, corral, change, curve, caught, cut, crop, close, cleave, crimp, cling... In light of the overall process of Kundalini Rising, note the nature of these words; and how many. Center is descriptive. Channel and corral are like consolidating.
And then recall kink. This one word is better descriptive of the Kundalini process than all those above!
So once again, we see, via the Use of the C in M.E., something dubious as far as Man's natural state of being. That is, we're being fucked with on all sides - including our ability to spiritually evolve.
Yes, I'm really not sure if I'm serious with this. But note how Easily everything fits my theory... I haven't contrived one iota in any of this.
So it all does seem to fit with the esoteric meanings of C; which have been corresponded to All aspects of the Moon, among other things. That is, the Moon Goddess has a dark, occult, side. A badly placed Moon in your natal chart will cause all kinds of mental and emotional challenges. This kinda equates to challenges in Perception. And it all makes sense, in an Occult way doh.
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Another trail I'm on is in trying to find evidence of Pi in whichever rune row. Now Perthro is the most ambiguous stave out of all of them, subsequently dropped in the more recent rows. The book, "Long Branches" mentions that the P rune was Always right next to the Eiwhaz rune. This is true and there to see in the Elder Futhark. Author says Every other rune kept it's position in all other innovations, all But these two.
So we've Perthro and Eiwhaz. Drop the suffixes and we have yup, Pei or Pi. Before you laugh, recall my hunch above about Oroboros and Caduseus!
In unconventional format, I'll reply to the post below and edit stuff above. You are referring to exactly what I'm talking about, overall. Spiritual evolution or evolution of consciousness and or awareness. Enter language...about here Homer Simpson would undoubtedly yell out, "DOH!"
This is exactly what I mean by mentioning the two symbols, Oroboros And Caduceus. They are a system, a unit in fact. We've taken them separately. I'm on abstract turf here so we're not going to get to so called brass tacks. Still.
I've heard repeatedly, tho never heard once growing up, that the important books were sequestered. Any major book burning simply due to um discrete minded vested interests.
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Interesting interview. I was worried that it would break into ancient aliens on times.
Was the great library actually burned to the ground?. Why believe that history?.
It has been argued the library suffered several fires over the course of its existence.
Is this about humanism. Maybe along the lines that we can lift ourselves out and apart from the animal world?.
Stargates?.
I think we yearn for something, and want to believe in something higher than ourselves or that we can reach some sort of higher plane....anything to escape the boring meaningless of our lives.
Was the great library actually burned to the ground?. Why believe that history?.
It has been argued the library suffered several fires over the course of its existence.
Is this about humanism. Maybe along the lines that we can lift ourselves out and apart from the animal world?.
Stargates?.
I think we yearn for something, and want to believe in something higher than ourselves or that we can reach some sort of higher plane....anything to escape the boring meaningless of our lives.
A quote on law;
"99.99% of all “laws” that you see and know are nothing but these “positive” laws. The term “positive law” derives from the fact that the law was “posited” or asserted as law by a person or a “body of men”, not because it is a “positive”. So right away those in control have made subtle use of the language to begin the deception. But in reality they are just a made up thing. Just anything those crooks can get through their crooked system."
This (too) is succinct as far as my theory above. In reading the quote, I remembered that the System, our position in it, is All about Contracts and signing ourselves away. But note his line. "... right away those in control have made subtle use of the language to begin the deception."
So I am neither cherry picking, paranoid or looking for a sensation. The C, among others, is an enabler in all this.
Someone above mentioned how the C came through France. If you pause and reflect you can clearly see that. Some days I spell my name as Marc. Point tho is that, as with England, both countries fully caved into to the Church.
I goof on the word church, kabbalistically; the ch or (the Hebrew letter) cheth, means fence... so graphically and maybe conceptually as in reality, a church can equate to, Church; U R fenced in on both sides.
Anyone following this thread should have seen mention of the word kink in regards kundalini. I find it no coincidence that a kink in energy flow, in the context of kundalini awakening, has an association with kinky sex. This latter of course is a Way to get kinks in spiritual energy release.
in light of ch u r ch, and the word kink with its k's, consider the word cinch. and we could break it up as k i n k .... what this seems to be is self centeredness, apart from being kept inside confines.
so now we have kink and king. let's c. the subjects are kinked, bound by the king's will. one way.
we are so sophisticated now, with words like cauldron and kettle. then cattle... why not kattle, kauldron and cettle? i can (almost) guarantee you you won't find a freemason who can answer.
i suppose what would be more than interesting is how they decided on (the application of) soft and hard c's. in my context, C seems to be the cleverest, not brightest or exalted or finest or loving or deadly for that matter etc. seeing no one is perfect the clever can be clumsy as well.
it's neat, or is it, how they kept the k while the c has such an inconceivable amount of variant uses. i'd guess it's worth looking into the kn duo. we've knight... so it may be interesting we have noble with no k. is the secret in the knee?
we have the kn and most of the word need. and (t)here i stop. get that bit!?
an example that sums up All the above;
sin... cinema...knowing. as i've been saying, the C enables this grand fraud. these three words are like another trinity- from base sin, to the machinations, then finally to something worthwhile.
our reality is like that mobius strip and we must endure those archetypes that less than auspicious - they are built in. and so it seems the C is some kind of creation to help and hinder in this process.
"99.99% of all “laws” that you see and know are nothing but these “positive” laws. The term “positive law” derives from the fact that the law was “posited” or asserted as law by a person or a “body of men”, not because it is a “positive”. So right away those in control have made subtle use of the language to begin the deception. But in reality they are just a made up thing. Just anything those crooks can get through their crooked system."
This (too) is succinct as far as my theory above. In reading the quote, I remembered that the System, our position in it, is All about Contracts and signing ourselves away. But note his line. "... right away those in control have made subtle use of the language to begin the deception."
So I am neither cherry picking, paranoid or looking for a sensation. The C, among others, is an enabler in all this.
Someone above mentioned how the C came through France. If you pause and reflect you can clearly see that. Some days I spell my name as Marc. Point tho is that, as with England, both countries fully caved into to the Church.
I goof on the word church, kabbalistically; the ch or (the Hebrew letter) cheth, means fence... so graphically and maybe conceptually as in reality, a church can equate to, Church; U R fenced in on both sides.
Anyone following this thread should have seen mention of the word kink in regards kundalini. I find it no coincidence that a kink in energy flow, in the context of kundalini awakening, has an association with kinky sex. This latter of course is a Way to get kinks in spiritual energy release.
in light of ch u r ch, and the word kink with its k's, consider the word cinch. and we could break it up as k i n k .... what this seems to be is self centeredness, apart from being kept inside confines.
so now we have kink and king. let's c. the subjects are kinked, bound by the king's will. one way.
we are so sophisticated now, with words like cauldron and kettle. then cattle... why not kattle, kauldron and cettle? i can (almost) guarantee you you won't find a freemason who can answer.
i suppose what would be more than interesting is how they decided on (the application of) soft and hard c's. in my context, C seems to be the cleverest, not brightest or exalted or finest or loving or deadly for that matter etc. seeing no one is perfect the clever can be clumsy as well.
it's neat, or is it, how they kept the k while the c has such an inconceivable amount of variant uses. i'd guess it's worth looking into the kn duo. we've knight... so it may be interesting we have noble with no k. is the secret in the knee?
we have the kn and most of the word need. and (t)here i stop. get that bit!?
an example that sums up All the above;
sin... cinema...knowing. as i've been saying, the C enables this grand fraud. these three words are like another trinity- from base sin, to the machinations, then finally to something worthwhile.
our reality is like that mobius strip and we must endure those archetypes that less than auspicious - they are built in. and so it seems the C is some kind of creation to help and hinder in this process.
http://www.breakfornews.com/returntotara/homepage.htm
https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.c ... roa0hs.pdf
https://williamamethven.com/blog/battle ... lag-event/
https://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/blo ... ian-ritual
https://www.irland.net/threads/30806-th ... vilization
Original audio:
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/Insid ... 051101.mp3
https://archive.org/details/jacobitewarinire00okel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota
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