While I try to address all the things you bring up as best as I can, you certainly don't answer the things I bring up; too bad. BTW, I forgot to mention all the wonderful contracts oil and construction companies got after the invasion of Iraq. In one word; cherry picking. Ok, here we go!
Fintan wrote:"Ever hear that opposition is making the prospects"Ever heard of TIPP, the TransatlanticTrade and Investment Partnership, or the ISDS
not so good for either the US-EU or Asian treaties?
Yes, thank god some people are waking up to all this! However, clearly TIPP (US-EU trade) is not off the table, and they will do anything to push it through. Unfortunately, most of the damage has been done already when the US signed the NAFTA agreement which came into effect in 1994. Since then we've heard a "giant sucking sound" as Ross Perot liked to call it, of well paying jobs flowing to Mexico. The final nail in the coffin of the US was granting MFN (most favored nation) status to China in 1999. Millions of well paying manufacturing jobs have been lost since that time, could be more than stated in the MSM article;
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... n-10-years
"Of course not."Pacify Afghanistan; was that even an objective?"
And Hillary was just kidding about her "New Silk Road".
They like losing. Sure.
Conquering Afghanistan was supposed to insert NWO power into
territory between Russia and China - and stunt Eurasian development.
Reality: The NWO's most massive geopolitical defeat."
Correct me if I am wrong, but somehow I get the impression that you assume that the NWO's interests and America's interests are aligned. They are most certainly not; see B. Fuller's and D. Rockefeller's statements a few posts back. I'm sorry but this is an incorrect asumption, but a very important one, and probably the most important reason why we disagree. Do you really think these people care about countries, nations, peoples etc. They use them to their own advantage, that's all! The US of A and it's people have been most helpful in advancing their agenda, but not anymore! That's why the US and it's (world reserve) currency needs to be destroyed, as they form the most important impediment to their ultimate goal; a one world government and a one world currency under their control.
"Really?"Iraq: LOL, epic SUCCES! "
Think most Americans agree?
Think their resultant war-fatigue helps or hinders the Military Industrial complex?"
Again; NWO's interests are not aligned with America's (real) interests. You think they give a rat's ass about what Americans think. See how Obama is behaving; he's acting like he is some sort of emperor, not some "democratically" elected president, representing the people's interests. He does not even pretend anymore. War fatigue; how about some good old bombing campaigns against (supposedly) ISIS, because they're so dangerous and do things like beheading people. 14 years in Afghanistan; 11 years of involvement in Iraq, wars never seem to have lasted longer in the modern era. War mongering against Russia, Syria, deployment of troops in ebola stricken Africa, army/navy/air bases in most countries around the world, the Pentagon budget bigger than the 8 runners-up; what do you mean war fatigue?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... penditures
"So Neoliberal economics now globally discredited is a success?2008 Economic Collapse: "Yes, of course, that was the purpose of this whole exercise all along!"
And the economies of entire G7 block in stagnant depression is a success?
Think this helps or hinders the NWO's neoliberal politicians?"
It's not about the neoliberal politicians and their programs; they're mere patsies. They'll use any political doctrine that will help them, including "communism", as we have seen during the cold war. They want a neo feudal world, where we are mere serfs, and they can rule us as they please. Neo liberalism is only important in as far as it can help advance that agenda. Their real doctrine summed up in four words; we rule, you serve!
CARBON TAXES: "who says that they will not have another go at it?"
"But, I thought according to the propaganda you buy that the NWO run everything?!?"
Wow, that left me speechless for a moment; a few words come to mind here;
"below the waist line" most certainly, but above all;
"a man running out of arguments"
Did I, known on this forum as Plato, ever proclaim that I "buy that the NWO run everything"? If that were the case; why have this discussion at all?
However they do run;
The Fed, the BIS, the ECB, the BOJ, the BOE, the IMF, the Worldbank, the UN, the OECD, the EU, all the important commercial banks like JP Morgan, GS, etc. all the pharmaceutical companies and the energy industry; the MSM and let's not forget, a considerable portion of the alternative media, that proclaim to give right and truthful information (but in fact are merely disinforming and manipulating the real truth seeker)
"So why didn't those carbon taxes get entrenched worldwide, already?"
Well, everything still runs on carbon based fuels, on which we're still almost completely dependent and they make a killing, that's still pretty good isn't it? Ever checked the profitability of the oil majors? You'd be shocked!
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ax-breaks/
"And if the NWO run everything - why not global GMO foods already?"
Working on that one, the US is competely inundated with GMO foods; now the rest of the world..
"In fact, if the NWO run everything - why NO global government today?
After all, the 2008 Economic Collapse would have been the perfect pretext?"
No, not so fast, people would not have been ready, but after 6-7 years of economic hardship, may be one last push might do the job.
"Who said it was? Not me.""so this is not a time to lean back and watch events unfold... "
Good! At least we agree on something; never said you did say this BTW.
"I think we go all out to ditch the a**holes - since they're on the back foot."
"You're making knee-jerk assumptions. All around."
"I'm just tryin' the challenge 'em."
Well, I'm afraid you're not doing a good job convincing me...