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stillsearchingtruth wrote:According to the times of israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-mos ... po-strike/
Yes I know its been in the news for days....

Problem is More Russian Jews now live in Israel, not Russia and Israel is

home to a Russian-Jewish population of approx a Million.

The first Casualty of War is the truth...........

So I don't buy this Spectacular of the Doublespeak Vernacular...
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I hear what you are saying, all I know is a number of different media are reporting the same thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was true simply courtesy of the scale of the bombardments but who knows.
Furthermore I wouldn't be surprised simply because of the fact that it could have been Syrian planes that caused the deaths.
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stillsearchingtruth wrote:all I know is a number of different media are reporting the same thing.
I would therefore assume the opposite to what they were saying was true?
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The Syrian intelligence possesses an audio recording of conversation between Daesh terrorists and US military prior to the Washington-led coalition's airstrikes on the government troops near Deir ez-Zor on September 17, the speaker of the People's Council of Syria said Monday.

"The Syrian Army intercepted a conversation between the Americans and Daesh before the air raid on Deir ez-Zor", Hadiya Khalaf Abbas said as quoted by the Al Mayadeen broadcaster.

US warplanes hit Syrian government troops near the eastern city of Deir ez-Zor on September 17, leaving 62 military personnel killed and a hundred wounded. The Pentagon said initially that the airstrike was a mistake and targeted Daesh militants.

The head of the Syrian parliament, added during her visit to Iran that after the coalition's airstrikes on the government troops US military directed terrorists' attack on the Syrian army.

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je-demande wrote:
stillsearchingtruth wrote:all I know is a number of different media are reporting the same thing.
I would therefore assume the opposite to what they were saying was true?
It's plausible so I will run with it for now.
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It is suspected that the Mossad and other NATO-allied agents who came
under Russian fire were helping to coordinate the rebels’ attacks in Aleppo.

Israel also regularly provides air cover for Syrian rebels trying to oust the
Assad regime in Syria, which means having Mossad agents on the ground to
help coordinate rebel movements would not be out of the ordinary. Further,
Mossad agents have been interfering in Syrian territory for some time now,
going so far as assassinating top Syrian military officials. Eventually, one
would imagine that these agents could very well be on the receiving end of
a missile strike.

If true, the reports almost represent a tit-for-tat attitude toward the Syrian
conflict that has started to emerge in the last few weeks.

http://theantimedia.org/russian-media-c ... led-syria/
"Almost a tit-for-tat attitude"

:lol: Scratch the word "almost"

That strike on NATO's Intel-Spec-Ops Syria Coordination Center in Aleppo
was swift and direct retaliation for NATO's air-strike on Syrian Army units.

And this is now the third time that Russian military intelligence has been
able to decapitate the New World Order's schemes for sowing havoc.
This is a bad NWO misjudgment - following on from their debacles in
Ukraine and in the failed Turkey Coup.

How in hell did they think the Russians/Syrians would react to NATO's
treacherous strike on Syrian forces?
They should have defensively
vacated their Aleppo intel station in the aftermath of their own strike.

And either outrageous arrogance or incredible incompetence is to blame.
Maybe both: in the arrogance of the first strike and the incompetence
of failing to cover their asses from retaliation.

By the Way...

There's a limited hangout story doing the rounds now that the unprovoked
attack on Syrian forces was due to rogue elements in the U.S. military who
wanted to undermine the truce deal. I don't buy that.

From the nature and swiftness of the Russian response, neither do they.
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Two senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that thousands of ground troops
are massing around Aleppo and they worry that the war-torn city could
soon fall.

The officials said on Friday they were awaiting a major ground operation
as troops representing a mix of Syrian regime, Iranian Quds Force,
Hezbollah, paid fighters from Iraq (Badr Brigade) and from Afghanistan


Russian fixed wing and Syrian regime helicopters continue to pound the
city from the air and they are still striking Aleppo with artillery batteries
outside the city. The officials expect this to continue once the ground
forces move in.

The State Department said they are watching the situation "very closely"
and that the fall of the war-torn city "could be soon."

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Russia Warns of 'Terrible' Consequences
If U.S. Attacks Syrian Government Forces

by ASSOCIATED PRESS - OCT 1 2016, 4:56 PM ET

Russia warned the United States Saturday against carrying out any attacks
on Syrian government forces, saying it would have repercussions across the
Middle East as government forces captured a hill on the edge of the northern
city of Aleppo under the cover of airstrikes.

Russian news agencies quoted Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria
Zakharova as saying that a U.S. intervention against the Syrian army "will
lead to terrible, tectonic consequences not only on the territory of this
country but also in the region on the whole."

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Lavrov: US never planned to separate terrorists
from “moderate opposition” in Syria
Turkey sends 1,000 special forces on secretive
mission to secure ‘security zone’ across border

Tensions increase between Ankara and Washington
as relations between Erdogan and Putin begin to thaw

Kim Sengupta Gaziantep 5 hours ago

While international focus is on the devastating bombing going on in Aleppo, another offensive is taking place, much of it in the shadows, which could be a game-changer in Syria’s bloody civil war.

The Turkish military, with armour, air-power and troops on the ground – a thousand of them special forces – are moving deeper into Syria, along with Syrian opposition fighters, setting up a “security zone” across the border.

Operation Euphrates Shield has been marked for Ankara by increasing acrimony with Washington and warming of relations with Moscow. The Turkish forces have attacked Kurdish fighters who are America’s key allies in the fight against Isis, while Russia, busy securing Aleppo for ally Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, has given tacit approval for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s actions in northern Syria.....

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I hope you were right in declaring as you did Fintan that World War 3 has now been won because from the ensuing and deteriorating breakdown in morality, in the brazen criminality and in the intensity of the rhetoric being used which is now largely discarding diplomatic language, it would be reasonable to suggest that what you described as winning was simply the opening skirmishes and that a real headlong disastrously bloody, brutal and genocidal war seems to be in the offing. The US are increasing their presence, Russia are increasing theirs, the flow of weapons to the "rebels" aka islamic terror groups is increasing and the annexing of land is ongoing.

We have already seen this has gone beyond sabre rattling in the form of Syrian soldiers being deliberately targeted for death by US air forces. Now, John Kirby has basically warned that more forces will follow and attack Russian cities. Those forces by the way, have numbered in the last 5 years some 360,000 and that is by no means the end of it.

These are the most dangerous times since the ending of World War 2.
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The Eastern district of Aleppo has been liberated by Syrian forces and their
allies, while the only supply artery to northern Aleppo has now been secured.
Russian T-90 tanks and Mil Mi-35 helicopters played a significant role in the

Now the only way the terrorists can be resupplied is by air. I wonder if the
Americans are due to make another one of their famous “mistakes” and
airdrop supplies to the now completely cut-off Al-Nusra Front (Al-Qaeda
branch) terrorists.

There is information that “special” western advisers are also trapped in
Aleppo. Perhaps it’s time for Kerry to fly to Moscow again and see if he can
beg for another “ceasefire” to try and get these “advisers” out, otherwise
have the Defense Department type those letters for their families.

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Syrian forces and their allies are pushing forwards in a major
ground offensive to recapture Aleppo's rebel-held east, as dozens of
Russian and Syrian government air strikes continued pounding the
devastated city overnight, targeting battlefronts and residential
neighbourhoods, according to activists. At least six people were
killed in the raids on Sunday morning, activists told Al Jazeera.

The ferocious air campaign "helped regime forces to advance in the north of the city", where they reached the outskirts of the al-Heluk district, Rami Abdel Rahman, director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) monitoring group, told AFP news agency.

If pro-government fighters seize Heluk, Bustan al-Basha and, Sakhur - all rebel-controlled neighbourhoods in Aleppo city's north - they will confine opposition factions to a small section in the southeast.

"The air strikes are continuing but now the government and its allies - men from Iraq, Iran, Lebanon - are pushing into the rebel enclave in the east of Aleppo," said Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, reporting from the Turkish city of Gaziantep near the Syria-Turkey border.

"They are making progress and they are taking ground from the opposition, particularly in the north of the city."

Later on Sunday, the Syrian army said in a statement carried by state media that rebel fighters should vacate the eastern quarters of the northern city of Aleppo and said it would guarantee them safe passage and necessary aid.

"The army high command calls all armed fighters in the eastern neighbourhood of Aleppo to leave these neighbourhoods and let civilian residents live their normal lives," the statement carried by state news agency SANA said.

"The Russian and Syrian military leaderships will guarantee safe passage for the fighters and will give them aid as necessary."
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by Fintan Dunne - 7 Oct. 2016

The New World Order's media propaganda outlets are hyping up the
the war hysteria - even when they've long ago already LOST WW3.

The NWO lost the war formally on 17th March 2015 when their Ukraine
gambit imploded after Putin and Russian intelligence destroyed them.

That failure to launch a Ukraine war meant no second front against Russia
to complement the first front in Syria. Thus from March 2015, Russia was
certainly going to win in Syria - just a matter of time.

And that was before the Russians and Erdogan ambushed the CIA plot
to ditch the Turkish leader. Now Turley is de facto allied with Russia and
China against the NWO.

Finally, on 5th October, 2016 the Russian Embassy in the U.S. tweeted
an unmistakable public signal that Syrian airspace was now closed to
hostile NATO aircraft (and ready to shoot down incoming cruise missiles).

Game Over.

Meanwhile US Generals are big-mouthing to smokescreen getting their
asses kicked, but Putin is taking no chances for more treacherous truce
breaking and has warned the State Dept. losers that if they f*ck around
again they'll really pay.

Putin already took out a sh*tload of special ops people in Aleppo as
a calm retaliation for NATO attack on Syrian troops during the truce.

Russia would destroy the US air power and opcomms in regional battle -
leaving US no option except theater nukes. So big Russian emergency
drills have been timed to coincide with final push in Aleppo - signaling
Russias readiness to up ante if the NWO f*ck with them.

But, they won't.

The NWO are outclassed. ( That's WHY they lost WW3! )

However, don't take my word for it. Take this guy's.

Graham Fuller is ex-CIA / Rand / hardcore NWO: Formerly vice-chair of
the National Intelligence Council and Station Chief in Kabul for the CIA.
Instrumental in the Iran–Contra affair. Yep, hardcore. He just said:

Russia holds the stronger cards in this confrontation. If the US decides
to end the war now and accept an Asad victory, there is no doubt that
Moscow will have emerged as relative strategic victor.

But how serious a strategic setback is that in reality? Is every battle,
every piece of turf, worth trying to best Moscow over?....

This is not, or should not be, a zero sum game with Russia. The game is
not worth the candle, the stakes are low. The US still shares the major
common goal with Russia and the region—ending jihadism in Syria and
the neighborhood.


Spin city! That's a breath-taking piece of expectation-lowering.
But it's not like the NWO are gonna just fade out of Syria's life.

Not according to former U.S Syrian Ambassador, Robert Ford
- a key architect in launching US sponsored terrorism in Syria.

He's gearing up for a long guerrilla war against the Syrians:

The opposition to Assad, he told Reuters, will "go from holding territory ...
to being an insurgency, a guerrilla war, and that will continue a long time."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideas ... KKCN12627V

As the propagandists bemoan the fate of Aleppo's civilians - for whom
the west has had no regard- the Syrian Army and Iranian forces are
deepening the isolation of the rebel NWO forces as they pincer them
tighter by taking more Aleppo neighborhoods:

Point of no return as Islamist rebels
lose more ground in Aleppo city

Syrian army liberates two more areas in troubled Aleppo

The only bright spot in an otherwise grim scenario for East Aleppo,
is the Russian acceptance of a U.N. official's offer to personally walk
up to 900 rebels out of Aleppo to spare the city's civilian lives:

Russia has called for members of UN Security Council to convene Friday
to discuss an initiative by UN Special Envoy for Syria Steffan de Mistura
to personally accompany Jabhat Al-Nusra fighters if they agree to
voluntarily leave rebel-held eastern Aleppo
to other rebel-held parts
of Syria.
The meeting will be held at 10 am New York Time (2 pm GMT).

Some 900 of the UN-recognized terrorist group’s fighters
still held positions in eastern Aleppo.

Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, commended the initiative,
saying it “
deserves the most careful consideration.”
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Simply stated, of all the surface-to-air threats being faced by coalition airpower over Syria, the Russian S-400 SAM, known as the “Triumf” at home and better known to NATO as the SA-21 “Growler,” is the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet.

In response to the downing of a Russian Su-24M by a Turkish F-16C on 24 November, the Russians announced a few changes to their Air Tasking Order in Syria: 1) ALL surface attack sorties would have fighter escorts and, 2) air defense batteries would be standing up the S-400, with orders to engage *all* aircraft deemed to be hostile to Russian air operations.

Developed by Almaz-Antey Central Design Bureau, the SA-21 has been in service with the Russian military since 2007. The system is capable of destroying airborne targets as far as 250 miles away, at speeds that are just….ridiculous.

The arrival of S-300P and S-300V missile systems in the region radically changes the strategic environment. These highly capable systems are not invincible, but require significant investment into specialised capabilities to defeat them - prohibitive losses in aircraft and aircrew otherwise might occur. As they are less demanding to operate than modern combat aircraft, operators across the broader region will be able to achieve combat effective proficiency faster than with the Su-27/30. In practical terms the S-300P/S-300V SAMs are a viable deterrent against air forces without the technological and especially intellectual capital to tackle them - and in many respects better value for money than the Su-27/30. Their failure to sell in larger numbers reflects more than anything poor marketing by Russia's industry.

The US Air Force's approach to defeating these SAMs is conceptually simple: the F-22A exploiting its all aspect wideband stealth, supercruise, high altitude and sensitive ESM warning capability will kill the engagement and acquisition radars using guided weapons., primarily the GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb. High power standoff support jamming was to have been provided by the cancelled program for B-52H aircraft equipped with electronically steerable high power jamming pods, standoff ISR support will be provided by systems such as the RC-135V/W, E-8C and since cancelled E-10 MC2A. Standoff or highly stealthy ISR capabilities will be necessary - the current generation of high altitude UAVs like the RQ-1B and RQ-4A /B are not survivable in airspace covered by the S-300P/S-300V systems.

Conventional unstealthy, or partially stealthy combat aircraft will have difficulty surviving within the coverage of the S-300P/S-300V systems - the high transmit power, large radar and missile seeker apertures, low sidelobes, generous use of monopulse angle tracking and extensive ECCM features make these systems difficult to jam effectively. Self protection jammers will need to produce relatively high X-band power output, and exploit monopulse angle tracking deception techniques - Digital RF Memory techniques with high signal fidelity are nearly essential. Even so the challenges in defeating these systems with a self protection jammer are not trivial - raw power-aperture does matter in this game.

In practical terms, low level terrain masking to remain below the radar horizon of these systems, combined with good standoff ISR, support jamming and a low radar signature standoff missile, is the only reliable defence for an aircraft with anything greater than insect sized all aspect radar signature. For instance the JSF's forward sector stealth is likely to be adequate, but its aft and beam sector stealth performance will not be, especially considering the wavelengths of many of the radars in question - a JSF driver runs a real risk of taking a 3,000 lb hypersonic SAM up his tailpipe if he cannot kill the target SAM engagement radar in his first pass. For the JSF, integration of a terrain following radar mode in its AESA radar is not an unusual technical challenge, incurring only modest development cost. The bigger bite will be in shortened airframe fatigue life resulting from fast low level penetration with a modestly swept wing design.

Of the current crop of conventional fighters in Western service, the most survivable are those with good TFRs - the F-111, Tornado and F-15E if fitted with the LANTIRN TFR pod - all requiring a high performance EW suite. (Don't see the F-35 on the list)

A weakness of both the S-300P/S-300V systems is that they are severely radar horizon limited in a fully mobile configuration. The addition of mast mounted acquisition radars to extend their low level footprint severely impairs the mobility of the battery.

The popular idea of shooting cruise missiles, anti-radiation missiles or standoff missiles at the S-300P/S-300V battery, assuming its location is known, is only viable where such a weapon has a sufficiently low radar signature to penetrate inside the minimum engagement range of the SAM before being detected - anything less will see the inbound missile killed by a self defensive SAM shot. The current Russian view of this is to sell Tor M2E/SA-15D Gauntlet and Pantsir S1/S2 / SA-22 self-propelled point defence SAM systems as a rapid reaction close in defensive Counter-PGM system to protect the S-300P/S-300V battery by shooting down the incoming missile if it gets past the S-300P/S-300V SAMs. Integration of the new Fakel 9M96 series point defence SAM would provide an organic Counter-PGM defensive capability in the battery.

Game changer for sure!
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It wasnt that long ago we heard the same 'Game over' with relation to the Turkish army taking over Erodogan...hes still there, and fighting the NWO it seems.

Lets hope this latest analysis really does see the US getting their asses handed to them.
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