Why I Think Sibel is Dirty

[Rumpl4skn]

Why run a sophisticated op and use the same players? If the op is designed as some sort of steam valve or beacon of hope then why on earth would they jeopardize it in such a blatant manner?

This also applies in relation to 'triple agent' Ali Mohamed. The same guy who trained the WTC '93 cell was also involved in the '98 embassy bombings plot.

Because reliable, inside, hip to procedures, possibly groomed-for-decades players do not grow on trees.

And also because, from time to time, the available pool of said players shrinks, as some of them have to be disposed of in order to take their knowledge of ops down with them. (See :Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, etc.) Bin Laden could even already be on that list, possibly even before 9/11.

[Grumpy]

Fintan

It's LIHBI&DW not LIHOP.

Let it Happen by Incompetence and Drug War.

FINALLY, someone who has gotten a glimpse of what I have been saying all along. The people in this administration were more interested in lining their own pockets and suppressing a certain segment of the population with the drug war and never had a clue about what was coming on 911(just as they were unprepared for the Hurricane that destroyed New Orleans). They didn't take their eyes off the ball, they didn't even know there was a ball game scheduled.

Grumpy

[Rumpl4skn]

It's LIHBI&DW not LIHOP.

Let it Happen by Incompetence and Drug War.

FINALLY, someone who has gotten a glimpse of what I have been saying all along. The people in this administration were more interested in lining their own pockets and suppressing a certain segment of the population with the drug war and never had a clue about what was coming on 911(just as they were unprepared for the Hurricane that destroyed New Orleans). They didn't take their eyes off the ball, they didn't even know there was a ball game scheduled.

Grumpy

Hey Grump - the Sarcasm Recognition classes are here every night, in the back boardroom, in the rear.

It's a REALLY popular class (oh wait, now you think it actually is popular, don't you?)

[aAzzAa]

Fintan

It's LIHBI&DW not LIHOP.

Let it Happen by Incompetence and Drug War.

FINALLY, someone who has gotten a glimpse of what I have been saying all along. The people in this administration were more interested in lining their own pockets and suppressing a certain segment of the population with the drug war and never had a clue about what was coming on 911(just as they were unprepared for the Hurricane that destroyed New Orleans). They didn't take their eyes off the ball, they didn't even know there was a ball game scheduled.

Grumpy

Bush "you just don't talk to me anymore my old friend"

Bin laden -"George, what do you mean buddy?"

Bush -"twenty years we've been friends and you never told me you were going to bomb our towers"

Bin Laden - "Hell, old friend, it was just a minor thing, and you were having such a good time passing death sentences of your own"

[IronClad]

The SE story makes a good movie story. Enough of the story is revealed to ask what else is there to reveal that she can't reveal?

There might even have been some truth in the story and now some new folks have moved in on it and taken it over. Certainly made it difficult to continue under the original "management". Powerful people taking over a business line that was run far away from home where control was weakest.

Anyway, a simple linguist with a family chequered past takes on the system without fear of where it would take her [in a system within the establishment that she could not have known much about - or would have been willing to take on at the bequest of someone who did and couched her every step of the way] because she is an American and sought justice. What justice WAS that? A justice that would take the whole lot down with the FBI good guys knocking on doors of the bad ones?

A civilian linguist taken on after 9/11 because they were short of translators who went rogue on her employer and after signing all sorts of undertakings because of the American people and her own values for justice.

Nice story line and comforting if true. But don't we already know all the story line? What is left out that she can't reveal?

[Big Boss]

Who she is really working for and against IronClad lol. That has to be left to keen, awakened individuals and those individuals have seen her game clearly.

The odd thing is, Fintan destroyed Edmonds cover years ago and now....she seems to be coming back up as a discussion here lol. Sibel-revival?

[Rom]

"But don't we already know all the story line?"

It is so damned obvious Sibel Edmonds is honesty itself, she has that from her father and childhood experience. She had to flee Turkey. They put gag orders on her, but those orders did not count vs. investigators. Her life is in those records, she wants everything to be public.

Let us not mess things up with psyop-babble, claiming what is public knowledge is not true, justified with nada.

When someone is available for interview "anytime", then normal procedure is to confront Sibel on facts, not putting up a big smile of support ...

Why was Sibel Edmonds not confronted? Can anyone justify that? To be a truthseeker means obligations, it is not a shady business of slandering.

[Continuity]

It's OK - I think she's really cute as well.

That's probably one of the main reasons she was used.

[Rom]

Did I say "nada"?

[IronClad]

Destroying credibility and setting out to destroy cover stories is the name of the game. Evidentally she is still active but hoping to do what, one may ask. Is it enough only that she is still active?

When there is a war against those who wish to change a Republic into an empire then either one must take sides on the main issue and decide who is who. Whether one side is using "artillery" to fire over the heads of one side so they keep their heads done - those using the "artillery" could be the colonists or they could be the republicans [with a small "r"].

The fun is in the solving of the puzzle.

Is it not the message [the message has been delivered and it is loud and clear] it's the constant reminder that needs to be given that there is the message.

Isn't there as much support for her integrity than there is against her integrity? Probably equal amounts with that between the empire builders and the republicans.

Whistleblowers can also be blackmailers. One needs courage and the does not. One has a far greater good that supercedes everything.

As part of the process of the destruction of credibility one must point to a hidden motivation and for that one needs their apparent motivation.

If 9/11 was another "Pearl Harbour" the difference was that one was carried out not using marked planes and with SE skirting around [there is a pun here] 9/11 with it still being "unmasked" for over 10 years there has to be another agenda in SE knocking on doors seeking justice.

There is only one justice not seen to be done. And she ain't seeking it.

[Rom]

"Destroying credibility and setting out to destroy cover stories is the name of the game. "

You may think that anyone can make slander about someone with credentials in good order and expect to be taken seriosly. I don't think so.

Fintan has met Sidel Edmonds. In that meeting Fintan was more like a statist. Sibel's reputation was unscrathed. http://www.tranquility.net/~rwinkel/911 ... 040607.mp3

What is missing is something more than claims like "Winston Churhill was actually a nazi agent, and therefore the whole WW II story is just nonsense". What we need is a rewrite of the whole story. Without facts just forget about labelling Winston Churchill "a gernan agent".

"one must take sides on the main issue"

Most people are just audience/voters and not in the know, they are not good/bad guys. And those in the know most are in the gray zone of good/bad guys. Senior whistleblowers were insiders, when going public they become good guys. They are very important for us.

Sibel is the type who did not compromise herself, very rare whistleblower.

[leon]

"What is missing is something more than claims like "Winston Churhill was actually a nazi agent"

Never heard that story before. However I heard and tend to believe that W.Churchill was a fat imperialist pig who ruined the after-war peace by igniting a Cold War in his Fullerton Speech.

True British.

It is funny how British PM always shadows American President when he is about to embark on War Path.