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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It’s time to clear the clutter out of our heads to find a focal point and aim it brutally at their most vulnerable targets/tactics. Sorry for the cheerleading rant … I will shut up now


no you won't... and you better not shut up, either.

there's got to be a way out of this mess, so please hang in there hawkwind. i feel like quitting too, and that it's all useless to keep ourselves aggravated, and that nobody really understands, cares, feels little more like a number...

i may soon be growing a lot more "revolutionary" within these pages - and sorry fintan - if you need me to leave and take it up somewhere else, then i'm afraid the meaning of this forum's enlightenment was merely a psyops in itself.

you cannot tell me all this time we're getting the truth here and then leave us high and dry.

i'm taking you on, and anyone coming along, let's discuss everything... and not be afraid of who's listening. THAT takes human preservation principle and fearlessness to be truly patriotic. our US constitution claims if we don't like the way our government is being run, then we are to remove it.

and that should be for openers only.... make sure your loved ones know you're ready to take it up another notch, so that anything happens, it is not done with complete ease for our "problem" to shut us up.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Fingerprints Reply with quote

Greetings,

Another brilliant audio Fintan and Kathy.

One part that caught my ear was when you discussed the issue of looking at the wrong thing. This is along the same lines as when I began my investigation into the area of Honour/Dishonor. I was taught in a workshop that the reason that many people lock themselves into the fiction is because they focus on the fingerprints rather than breaking the assumption in the first place which lead to the fingerprint.

Like you rightly say, the reason we generally go for these fingerprints are because we have already been pre conditioned to respond in a particular way. The presumptions they made as to how the 3 different groups would respond have been pretty well as they would have expected. Now you have explained the larger Psyop going on.

Now I know why there aren't more people on the next level. The elevator only takes them to group 3.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great audio - best I've heard anywhere.

I became painfully aware of this multi-level, psy-optic info-layering about two weeks after I awoke to the 9-11 fraud. I had the firmest conviction that most every major action and it's MSM coverage was crafted to serve at least two purposes simultaneously. Intimidating truthseekers was not least among them. The media was really strutting it's feathers at this time, more brazenly than they are now, almost as if they were conducting an experiment - openly that is.

I didn't sleep for five days. I never felt more depressed and hopeless. Then I saw a way out and decided to do the unthinkable. (I slept well that night and every night since.) The objective of all this carefully laced propaganda, it seemed to me, was to keep inquiring minds in a state of perpetual 'quiet desperation,' or wrapped up in '9-11 truth' websites that attracted and repelled visitors with more or less equal force - I felt stymied and I was sure many others did as well. It occured to me that of all the things someone could do for 9-11 truth, the one thing the PTB didn't want to see was people standing on streetcorners, with large signs, at busy intersections, where thousands of people would drive right up to them and stop at red lights to read their messages - taking it to the streets - so this is exactly what I did. I made large signs and proudly showed them on a somewhat regular basis for about a year and a half. A lot of people seemed relieved to see me, and I felt good about it.

"Unthinkable?"
On a certain level it is, since no one does it. (We'd rather be in large rallies which the media won't cover anyway, or maybe they'll thoughtfully televise one or two of the more embarrasing/misleading signs.)
Why haven't we tried demonstrating alone or in small groups, at busy congestion points for maximum effect?
Probably because we're so damn co-dependent.
I can assure you, cellular demonstrations are the most effective way of breaking the media barrier and getting the message to people who'd otherwise NEVER hear tell of it!
If a measely 1% of 9-11 truthers actually did this, (at busy intersections for just 1hr per person per week,) we'd be out of the gutter very quickly. We'd be seen ALL THE TIME and EVERYWHERE - and we'd force the issue into the mainstream media.

Understanding is not enough, and on a certain level I'd rather see someone advertizing the most basic (but credible) 9-11 info/sites to total strangers, than hear someone keenly articulating the finer points of what most of us already know - inspiring as it was to hear the last audio. In fact, I'm inspired enough to recommit myself to demonstrating alone, at a busy intersection and on a somewhat regular basis again, like I did two years ago.

As best I can tell, the largest push toward 9-11 awareness came sometime in early '04, and it was right around this time that the heavy spooks started coming out of the closet - Berg video, Abu Ghraib. It's great to understand these intimidation tactics but we need to remember that they haven't worked! 9-11 truth has grown enormously since 2004. It keeps growing, and, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO BUILD A CASE!
....and while we're building our case, there will be those who try to derail it with basic disinfo, knowingly or otherwise, (we shouldn't underestimate the importance of logistics, physics, timelines, basic stuff of that sort - checkerboard material, if you like.) ...life goes on, and anyone who gives up on the checkerboard material gives up on 9-11 truth. I look forward to Fintan's audios. He can rightfully say he's the best political analyst on the planet, but it's the physical evidence, circumstantial anomolies, timelines and testimony that will land the bastards behind bars.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My question is this: those of us in "group 3" are intimidated into a state of inaction. Well... do we have reason to be intimidated?


who's inactive?
what should we do.etc...isn't that a psyop setup to fall into emotional self-doubt?
don't we overcome the forceful nature of their attack by just being and observing as the power we are?

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AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO BUILD A CASE!
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but it's the physical evidence, circumstantial anomolies, timelines and testimony that will land the bastards behind bars.


isn't this what they want you to waste your time at?
bogging you down while they're off being mischevious somewhere else?
(i understand your annoyance)


just watching a lovely sunrise over east London before breakfast
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(but pornlinking is switched on Mr. Green )
nothing is for free.....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

INDIGITY SAID
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the one thing the PTB didn't want to see was people standing on streetcorners, with large signs, at busy intersections, where thousands of people would drive right up to them and stop at red lights to read their messages - taking it to the streets - so this is exactly what I did. I made large signs and proudly showed them on a somewhat regular basis for about a year and a half. A lot of people seemed relieved to see me, and I felt good about it


okay, i'd be up for that as a start..
i take it you were on public property doing this. have you been questioned by police at all to see what you were up to at any time you were doing this solo demonstration?
it seems strange that a) you'd not get the authorities interested, and b) not get at least a few dickheads throwing empty bottles at you.
please tell me whether you encountered any negativity.
not that either of those two would stop me, because as citizens, we have a right to public assembly (even solo)... tho police can argue either disturbing the peace or loitering as a method to remove such an act.

very curious here...
appreciate and await your feedback.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red, I live in central Maine and started demonstrating in March of 2004. I stood on public sidewalks most of the time. Occasionally I'd perch myself on a higher curb that bordered a small garden area - and that might have been private property (Family Dollar store.) A grassy area near the entrance to our local 'mall' might have been private property as well.
The police never once stopped to question me and I was never physically threatened by anyone - no bottles either, just a few rants and yuck foos. Attention of any kind breaks the monotony and I enjoy getting a little riled once in a while, to be honest. I encountered some hostility from time to time but the positive reactions far outweighed the negative, and the negative stuff tapered off as the months wore on.

(On the other hand, police have threatened me with arrest AND arrested me twice - here and in California - on private commercial property, but for circulating petitions - none of them relating to 9-11 activism. I've been told by most every big-box store manager I've encountered that 'solicitors' such as me can do as they wish on the curbside of their property, out by the road or the entrance. I get the impression that the strip of private property bordering roadsides is more or less a public right-of-way - don't quote me on that. The public sidewalks are certainly safe, and I can't imagine the authorities designating an out of the way 'free speech zone' for one or several spontaneous demonstrators in any given area.)

I won't say I spent a great amount of time doing this. I might have gone out 20 or more times, and I haven't been out for over a year.
I'm dusting off my signs and making a few changes.
I made the mistake of advertizing infowars last time, yet it was Alex Jones who was telling activists NOT to demonstrate alone - I couldn't disagree more. (Also, infowars is an immediate turn-off to PBS/earthy types here in New England. For all it's good points and the massive amount of info it serves up, usually for the better, infowars is visually noisy and repels many people at first viewing.) I would have advertized 9-11research.wtc7.net if it wasn't so difficult for people to spot at a glance and then remember. I might use 911review.COM this time, (written as such,) but people will still confuse it with 911review.org, - a horrible disinfo site. I'll gladly recommend BFN to people who've already awoken or need the perspective.
Regarding the hazards, in all honesty, if enough people started doing this then probably the perps would want to make an example of one of us at some point. Remember that there are at least dozens of potential witnesses at busy intersections. Nevertheless, if one of us was knocked off or badly beaten, I'D BE MORE DETERMINED THAN EVER TO DEMONSTRATE.
I'M NOT EASILY INTIMIDATED!!!

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Robert: who's inactive?
what should we do.etc...isn't that a psyop setup to fall into emotional self-doubt?
don't we overcome the forceful nature of their attack by just being and observing as the power we are?


What power are you speaking of?
Are you content to live in the psy-op, so long as you can understand it?

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AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO BUILD A CASE!
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but it's the physical evidence, circumstantial anomolies, timelines and testimony that will land the bastards behind bars. - indigity


isn't this what they want you to waste your time at?
bogging you down while they're off being mischevious somewhere else?
(i understand your annoyance) - Robert


Bogging you down?
At this point, 9-11 activism saves lives and curbs the headlong descent into chaos.
The 9-11 fraud is a flimsy house of cards that was built to be taken down, but only after the stage is set for more overt manifestations of global governance, IMO. Yes, the people who were destined to 'get it' are notably distracted and confused, whilst the first level people tolerate the expansion of empire. The perps really have bitten off more than they can chew though, if only because people are much more clear about things than the collective drumbeat of 9-11 truth-chaos would have us believe. They'd love it if we just sat back and cogitated.
Some of us aren't satisfied with that 'approach.' It serves no purpose to 'know the matrix' if you can't step outside of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all, I am very pleased to have found this site as my head has been
spinning for over a year & a half with the many different 'truths' about
9/11 and I was beginning to feel that ALL the theories had a bit of the
truth, yet certain elements weren't adding up. Along with the notion that if
so many clever investigators were so close to the truth, wouldn't they be
in some danger if they were so close to the flame? Well this site has put
all these conflicting thoughts in my head to rest while opening my mind to
ideas that seemed just out of my grasp, so close, but not within my reach.

I have a question about a potential theory that may or may not have been
brought up yet or completely expounded upon...

How credible is the concept that the top Global Elites orchestrated 9/11 to
appear as though our current style of Government WAS/IS responsible for
the actions of 9/11, and we, as citizens of Earth, NEED a Global entity to
protect us from shifty governments that would attack their own ppl???

Or would that clandestine type of op only penetrate 1 area of the 3 targeted groups?
Also, can some event occur where the son must be sacrificed to bring about this New
World Order to appeal to all 3 groups? The son being GWB, respectively.

I am new, please be gentle.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum, fourth horsemen (man?)! Smile
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Also, can some event occur where the son must be sacrificed to bring about this New World Order to appeal to all 3 groups? The son being GWB, respectively.

Well, with the current dismal failiures in the war in Iraq (so bad that they look *deliberately* bad), and the 'October Surprise' that the GOP are currently into, I think that we're seeing a piece of what you mentioned being played out right now.

It's been the general opinion on BFN for quite some time that the probable course of events is going to be a GOP defeat, and a Dem regime next. This, of course, is *no* victory for any 'normal' person-in-the-street, no matter whether they buy into the fake Left/Right bullshit paradigm, or not. It is, of course, all an illusion, designed to make ppl think that 'change' has happened, and then they can go safely back to sleep.

So, I think that, yes, shrub is in the process of being sacrificed right now...(whether 9/11 will come into it, I don't know - but I doubt it - they've got plenty other ammo to use)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fourth horsemen wrote:

How credible is the concept that the top Global Elites orchestrated 9/11 to
appear as though our current style of Government WAS/IS responsible for
the actions of 9/11, and we, as citizens of Earth, NEED a Global entity to
protect us from shifty governments that would attack their own ppl???

i think this theory makes sense, but i don't think that's the way it's going to happen, or is happening. global government is being implemented right before our eyes. NAFTA, european union, north american union, middle east free trade area initiative, etc. it's not as if there are no overt moves being made towards one world government at present...

why would the global elites need to topple the american government when they already control it and it is already doing their bidding through a slow, methodical, and very effective process of psychological warfare?

the only scenario i can envision where your hypothesis would be correct is this: via 9-11, the US gov't is set up and exposed by the global elites to give the American people the false sense that they--the people themselves--have real political power... when the "next level" of world government is rammed down our throats via the corporate media, we the people will believe that it was our will that ousted the old system and our will that chose this new style of government...

but... i think they're doing a fine job of rolling out the globalists' agenda as is. no need for catastrophe. only the constant fear of catastrophe.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm AFRAID you both are correct (pun intended). I imagine I was thinking
much to local & your posts breathe of a much broader scope that I missed in
my hasty cerebral tinkering, thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: The Next Level? Or The Last Straw? Reply with quote

Wow, that last audio was something special. I seem to have misplaced my nametag, though... what group am I supposed to line up for? Nevermind, I see the exit sign right over here.

After careful consideration of the efficiency of my work thus far, I have come to a decision to take my research offline for a while.

I will continue to check in on the discussions in this and other forums, but I do not plan on posting any material. I have determined that the effort that I have put into making my posts as clear and concise as possible for all readers has not produced results that are satisfactory to me.

I find the format of these forums to be too easily taken advantage of by those who oppose any real progress. Although I have engaged with some very intelligent people here, I have frequently been disappointed by the closed-mindedness of the majority.

My first reaction to the progress thus far made by this so-called movement was that of pity. For those who claim who have been aware since the very day of the attacks to have made such little progress over a time span greater than five years is a sad reality to observe.

I naively believed that I could help by suggesting the development of a mission statement. Any significant project requires planning in order to be successful. An effective way of putting this is the “Seven P’s” rule of thumb: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

Every complex project has a starting point, an ending point, and elements in between. The definition of these factors is referred to as the project scope. For this “movement” to live up to its given title, the entire scope must be defined and divided into milestones. Milestones are desired project achievements, broken into logical parts and usually correlated to a project timeline.

None of this is available at any website I’ve happened upon. Without definition, there can be no true solution; and without direction, there can be no true “movement.”

The good news is that all of the work that goes into achieving milestones has almost all been done. It should be a mere formality to retroactively place these accomplished elements into a working project format. From there, we can stand back and evaluate where we truly are with respect to our goal, which in my mind should include both prosecution and reform. Anything less than the accomplishment of this goal should be considered a failure.

Figuring out what happened at each crime scene, the identities of the perpetrators, and the communication of these findings to the general public; these are all just milestones that need to be achieved on the way to the final project goal.

This site subtitles itself as “The Next Level.” This begs the obvious questions of “How many levels are there?” and “What exactly is this the next level of?” If you’d like to skip to “The Final Level,” make a decision already – even if your decision is that you don’t have enough information to come to any definitive conclusion. We can always fill in the blanks after putting them on the witness stands.

Discuss, decide, and move on already. To quote someone I respect, but have never met: “How can you give meaning to an event unless you know what the event was?” In other words, one has no business progressing to the next level until the first level has been dealt with. Or if you’d prefer a baseball metaphor, it’s the equivalent of trying to steal home from first base. Although knowing the location of home base is critical, you’ve got to “touch ‘em all” to get there.

In summary, the inefficiency of the forum format in general has caused me to expend a great deal of my time and effort while making only modest gains. Any website that fails to translate the countless hours of dedicated researchers into quantifiable results can only be classified as a resource for reference material. Although these websites are extremely valuable, they should be accurately identified and advertised as exactly that, not as a site that promises answers.

Although I am taking my research offline, I can still be reached via PM on this site (provided I am not banned for this post). Even in that case, I have sufficient means of distributing any significant milestones that I may accomplish within my own project scope.

If anyone out there is concerned, there is no need for it. As of yet, I have not been attacked by police in front of my family, and I am not planning a covert escape to Venezuela via underground tunnel systems. I am not abandoning anything but this medium of communication. I am merely striving to make better use of my time.

Perhaps my biggest gripe is that nobody seems to appreciate my sense of humor. I don’t care what anybody says, that whole set-up and punchline about getting hit twice by a big truck was priceless. Yeah, “big fuckin’ truck” would have been funnier, but I’m trying to watch my language in here.

I find myself wanting to close with a piece of advice, but I think there’s already plenty of that included in the post. So I guess I’ll just say goodbye and enjoy the show from the cheap seats.

Regards,
StillDiggin

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