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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuity wrote:
OK, DeepLogos, here's some China stuff you may not have seen that may help get some backstory or inspiration in your scenarios. This refers to a 737-300 specifically, but this is just one set of deals that we know about via FOIA etc. There *will* be more, you can almost bet the farm on that.


Thanks for the links. Still going through his stuff... I've heard a few interviews with him before regarding his knowledge of China and military tech, but the thought just didn't occure to me before I saw the links. I've always been curious as to what people on this forum thought of his research. I think I posted the question some time back.

BTW, I replied to your PM, but it just sits in my outbox, so I guess you haven't got it? Is this a problem anyone else still have?

Also, the picture from Team8+'s site regarding no primary radar coverage; I couldn't find one with a better resolution. Do you know from which program or source it stems from? (I haven't really had the time to go through the site yet) Looks like a snap shot off a screen.

Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an aquaintence of mine from another forum. He has some interesting video clips.

Check out "Now is the Time". Not ground-breaking, but fairly well done in the lower-level op vein.

http://www.proteanmedia.com/dfest/

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very decent presentation technically... A got a slight Clockwork feeling, but as far as I know I was blinking all the way through the collage, I think I might have moved my head as well. Wink

Effective use of contrasts and colours, as it creates a disharmny within you, which eiter begins a process of awakening or put people off. Starangely, I didn't notice the red and green text flashing at first (could be me...Wink) Knowing that our preception "records" more than we can consciously recall, the message displayed was of course also repeated by me unconsciously as I continued to watch....

Interesting on many levels...

The audio was decent too; I hope he hasn't snuck in some subliminal stuff, curtesy of the Monroe Institute or Holosync... Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit, I got a little nervous when I saw the Star of David under GHW Bush and the Clintons, but he immediately followed that with the Christian cross under Cheney, Giuliani and Dubya.

I saw it as more of a condemnation of organized religion's power and influence.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Safety in Numbers Reply with quote

Great posts everyone. I'm still digesting it all.

Just one angle I thought i'd mention about figuring out what actually happened.

I think we can take it for granted that support for different interpretations
of what happened has been DELIBERATELY built into the design of the
operation. As well as deliberate smokescreen events.

So, for example, if you wanted to use the scheduled planes for the strikes,
then you would deliberately steer them to areas where there is no radar
coverage --just to increase the ambiguity.

Or you would fake tracks that make it look like the planes went to areas
of no radar coverage, and the fact that a switch could have taken place in
these areas would make the faked radar loook more credible.

I'm not saying which is true, just outling the technique.

And you would do this type of thing all through the operation.

Another similar methodology could be used in the case of the Towers.
If you have a slick undetectable method of bringing down the two
Towers, then you DELIBERATELY plant minor bombs in a number
of locations in both buildings. Just to confuse the issue.

Now, solving all that is a bit like trying to solve a Rubic Cube in the dark.

Except that we have some useful analytical techniques we can use.

Some of these deliberate misdirections rely on the use of the CIA Fakes
to promote or undermine certain aspects of the operation. So a study
of how the Fakes pushed different angles --and who pushed them--
will be revealing, if we take care not to jump to any hasty conclusions.

And crucially, in all cases, the options involving LESS people is almost
certainly the tack they will have taken. Lots of people may have been
in on this Op, tactily, by nod and wink, or peripherally aware.

But when it came to operationally carrying out the mass murder itself.

That's where there's safety in numbers.

SMALL numbers.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have little knowledge of this guy (and the original post comes from Rense.com), but his article is along the lines of Fintan's 'numbers' post:
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How 50 Men May Have Engineered 911
Douglas Herman
9-12-6

I've read a lot of commentary about the number of plotters it would have required to carry out an "Inside Job," black operation on September 11, 2001. One lively critic of the Truth Movement, Jan Burton, emailed me that 10,000 men would be needed. And all of them would have to keep their mouths shut forever.

I think 50 top specialists might carry out an operation like 9-11 successfully. Here's how it might be done.

Four or five head plotters at the top might hatch a plan. Call our plan PNAC. Plan of a New Attack Conspiracy. This handful of top government officials would hold the true reins of power in the White House and the Pentagon. I could name three or four players right now, just as anyone could, but I'll leave their identities to the imagination of my readers.

These powerful men, connected to banking, oil and the defense industry, would have a plan in place months in advance. They would then be joined by a half dozen foreign political operatives from a small, tech-savvy country. This small tech-savvy country would, ironically, have top officials in place already in the Pentagon. They would possess dual citizenship but be most loyal to one country. The small one.

Now we have 10-12 plotters.

The secretive, top operatives of the two countries would be joined by a few top honchos in the intelligence field. They would serve as a delaying force, delaying the warnings of loyal and patriotic Americans in the FBI, NSA and the FBI. Any whistleblowers that arose---like FBI translator Sibel Edmonds or the deceased FBI agent John O'Neill---would be marginalized later by a complicit mainstream media. This media would consist mostly of dupes and true believers. They would be outside the loop and not required to have insider information.

Now we number 15-20 key plotters.

These remarkable and clever men command huge numbers of SPECIAL FORCES. These special commandos resemble the Navy Seals. They possess certain demolition skills and variety of disguises and genuine-looking yet fake identification. I suspect these key players pledged a loyalty to a certain tech-savvy country and have been highly trained to follow orders. Trained professional killers who ask no question. Ever. Additionally, with their identifications, they are allowed ready access to key security points easily. Perhaps a dozen men altogether--maybe as few as a half dozen-probably gained access to the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 in the months prior to that "attack."

How many conspirators do we number thus far? 30 or 35 maybe? Far cry from the "tens of thousands" the Bushco apologists suggest.

Next, one would need the ability to control planes by remote control. Curiously, the head of a small, tech-savvy company that possessed that very technical electronic skill also enjoyed ready access to the Pentagon. He worked there in a high position as Comptroller, controlling the flow of money (during a time when 2.6 trillion went unaccounted for). According to Wikipedia: "In 2001, Dov Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems.

Coincidental? Perhaps-perhaps not.

Now you would need two or three more top people, preferably very rich, connected to the New York real estate market to acquire control of a suitable target. Let us call this target the WTC complex, a suitable array of architectural white elephants and one very highly important US government building (WTC-7) that could be insured for far more money than they cost.

Now we number 38 insiders at the most. Almost all of our ducks are in place. The shooting gallery is just about to open.

For the sake of simplicity, we'll require some skilled commandos to remain close to the targets. To remotely control the hijacked planes into the towers and Pentagon. How many skilled technicians would this require? Five thousand, you say? How about a dozen?

Well, now we've reached the 50. Anyone else is a peripheral player. Any top US general, befuddled at the Pentagon or NORAD is simply a victim, as much as those bewildered FAA air traffic controllers or USAF pilots. By the way, whatever happened to those air traffic control tapes? Guess we can add that fellow to our list of plotters, the top official who ordered the tapes destroyed after the New York Massacre.

That takes us to 51. Call it Area 51. A place that doesn't exist. Except in the twilight zone of our imagination. Except in the minds of "conspiracy nuts" like myself.

Lastly, critics of an inside job, like my correspondent Jan Burton, claim that somebody, anybody, would have come forward by now and "blown" the plot wide open. Now why would they do that? Indeed, well-trained commandos from another country might feel compelled to drunkenly boast about their exploits but I seriously doubt any commando would suffer any pangs of conscience.

And suppose some top official already came forward? Sybil Edmonds already came forward about 911 and her revelations have amounted to exactly nothing. Any top US official would have to think twice before risking his neck to suffer ridicule and probable recriminations---and threats of harm to himself and his family. I'm reminded of those US Navy sailors who were threatened with simple military courts martials and demotions if they talked about the attack on the USS Liberty. Now multiply the threat by, say, death. How many would talk then?

USAF veteran, amateur historian and controversial novelist of The Guns of Dallas, Douglas Herman explained the likely scenario of the JFK assassination in his recent suspense thriller. He writes for that last bastion of free speech--the internet. Support it or lose it. Contact him at douglasherman7@yahoo.com

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5560&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:


Another similar methodology could be used in the case of the Towers.
If you have a slick undetectable method of bringing down the two
Towers, then you DELIBERATELY plant minor bombs in a number
of locations in both buildings. Just to confuse the issue.



This is very interesting. It shows LOTS of different destructive effects going on all at once with Towers 1&2, eh? has anyone seen these new video clips of the towers falling which (in my opinion) could be showing a practical application of modulated Tesla Waves and how they can turn solid stainless steel into dust!! Is this also what could explain how the wtc concrete walls vanishing into dust?

Download and watch the two short clips of the wtc towers falling


http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/New_Spire/


"Because this video was taken with a tripod-mounted camera located close to the collapse the image is sharper than the other known footage of the event (seen here). There can be no doubt that the cluster of steel box columns comprising the spire, after surviving the violence of the collapse itself, did in fact disintegrate almost at the moment that it began to fall. I cannot begin to speculate on the kind of technology needed to make this happen, but can say with some certainty that even conventional explosives would not create such a disintegration, and nothing that could happen in a gravitational collapse would resemble this."





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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a long, protracted argument on another board about this. At the risk of rekindling that useless struggle, let me just say this: I still don't see indisputable evidence of the spire "disappearing". I see it dropping quickly into a cloud of dust that had been covering it.

I have no problem with scalar weaponry being used, but this issue doesn't totally convince me.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
I still don't see indisputable evidence of the spire "disappearing". I see it dropping quickly into a cloud of dust that had been covering it.


I see what that website page says happened to the spire.

If this type of technology was used, it would explain the destructive collapse of the towers perfectly and all the dust that went with it too. Thermite and controlled demolition does not explain for all the dust, but this technology does, and we know that this technolgy is real today too. I think there is a strong possibility that this type of method could have been the method that was most likely used, regardless of wether or not that film clip showing that steel spire disintergrating is true.

This method also fits well with explaining the reason behind why the controlled demolition therory of the towers is such in our face too.

I do not know if Fintan has thorougly looked into this therory yet, but if he hasn't, I think he should.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...modulated Tesla Waves and how they can turn solid stainless steel into dust!


Have I just stepped into the looney bin?

Quote:
Thermite and controlled demolition does not explain for all the dust


Ummm... what videos are you watching?...

Do you see lots of THICK dust? I sure do... I see THICK DUST in any controlled demolition where the structure being demolished has structural CONCRETE. I think that everyone can see THICK DUST. I don't think I can find a single person, no matter what side of the argument they are on that will tell me there wasn't literally TONS OF THICK DUST. Did that dust saturate every surface? ABSOLUTELY.

It's obvious to me as the 'spire' began to move, vibrations from it collapsing caused the dust to dislodge and remain suspended in the air surrounding the spire.

Have you ever hit a DRY rusty beam or pipe with a sledge hammer, forcing a sound/shockwave down it's length? The dust/rust gets knocked off it and hangs in the air, (the boundary layer). You may not even see the beam move, as it the harmonics cause it to vibrate fiercly, but so slightly. Any loose sediment (i.e. DUST/Particles/crud) on the surface gets dislodged, and sits in the air immediately surrounding the beam. Now, If you quickly move the beam along it's length, the dust will remain in position as the beam is removed.

There is nothing magical in what we see in that video.

There is nothing strange about it, EXCEPT for the "straight down" motion.

Tesla waves... give it a rest... yeah, there was one last bit of the tower standing, so they gave it another good zapping, just to make sure everything was flattened... please.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elbowdeep wrote:
Tesla waves... give it a rest... yeah


have you done any research into tesla waves technology to see what the proffessionals are saying? It is real. Go do your research and give me a break!

Do you have a good explaination on how they knocked out all the solid steel structual supports in the towers from nearly the top down, other then with explosives?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Spin City Reply with quote

I agree. The Spire disintegrating is just residual dust after collapse.

But I wanted to address this:

Quote:
How 50 Men May Have Engineered 911
Douglas Herman 9-12-6

It's a pity this article can't make its mind up whether it is trying to estimate
the number of people need to carry out 9/11, or trying to pin the blame on
its preconceived perpretrators
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Quote:
Four or five head plotters at the top might hatch a plan.
Call our plan PNAC. Plan of a New Attack Conspiracy.

Now that's not a genuine estimate of numbers.
That's pinning the blame on the Project for a New American Century = Neocons.

Quote:
They would then be joined by a half dozen foreign political operatives
from a small, tech-savvy country. This small tech-savvy country would, ironically, have top officials in place already in the Pentagon.

Again this is clearly a reference to Israel.....

Quote:
These remarkable and clever men command huge numbers of SPECIAL FORCES.
I suspect these key players pledged a loyalty to a certain tech-savvy country...

Special forces allied to the Mossad no doubt....

And so it goes on....
Spin, spin spin.....
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