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Fintan
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject: Is the Carnivore Diet Optimum Nutrition? Reply with quote



Here's a taste of the issues. Wink

An advocarte for the diet speaks above.
Below is a mainstream response to that.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very very interesting, I've heard similar ideas thrown about, but this is an eye opener.
I've grown to like spicy food's, even though I know it's the plants defense mechanism and that it's a poison.
All plant's have evolved a similar defense mechanism without us realizing, it's the long term damage we can't immediately feel.

But so many people turning to veganism, why?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been doing the keto diet for a couple of months and have significantly reduced body fat around the middle.
High protein, all the fat you want, low carbs,,,,supposedly forces the body to burn the stored belly fat.
Probably the same results with a carnovore diet: protein and fat.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
I've been doing the keto diet for a couple of months and have significantly reduced body fat around the middle.
High protein, all the fat you want, low carbs,,,,supposedly forces the body to burn the stored belly fat.
Probably the same results with a carnovore diet: protein and fat.


good job

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just0: But so many people turning to veganism, why?


Ummmm......



Wheeeeee. Go Vegetarianism!

Go Genetic Lab Western Diet
Go Pharma/FoodCorp Inc.
Go Vaccines & Drugs.

What could go wrong?

Strict Keto requires very low or zero carbs and fasting, I think?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324599.php

But it worth separating the issues of what's a diet for
good health and what's a protocol for weight loss.

The low carb aspect cuts back on the grain carbs, but I'd say
screw the grains b'cos they create belly fat in the first place
and with them gone it slowly reverses.

Fasting and exercise on high protein, some
fat and low grain carbs sounds a winner!

I just started eating beef liver.
Highest source of VitA in the universe plus other good vitamins etc.

The butcher GAVE it to me FREE.
They're throwing it out. Nobody is eating it.
It has all the benfits of Lambs Liver + 5 times the VitA.
They're throwing it out.
Nobody is eating it.

But they are going down to the health store to buy synthetic vitamins!!

Diet = Fucked by Commercialism

Diet = Minefield of Bullshit and exploitation

Diet = Luctative for $ome and Disabling for Most.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Diet = Fucked by Commercialism

Diet = Minefield of Bullshit and exploitation

Diet = Luctative for $ome and Disabling for Most.


Can't agree more, I try to get cow liver into my diet at least monthly.
It's full of the good stuff Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr Peter Osborne is the sharpest Doc on the planet right now.
All his stuff is on the money:



See also:
https://youtu.be/63kZNrOCSQo?t=13m5s




"Fasting activates 'sano-genesis' recovery mechanisms
and auto-regulatory processes which are usually
inactive because of our lifestyle."

19 Minutes:



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fintan, if only I could break my morning oatmeal or bio puffed rice habit.......my only surrender to grains besides a couple of plain bio rice cakes during the day.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's often said no research has been done....

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Ankylosing Spondylitis Research Clinic (Professor Alan Ebringer), Department of Rheumatology, The Middlesex Hospital UCH School of Medicine and Infection & Immunity Group, Division of Life Sciences, Kings College, London, UK

THE LONDON "AS" DIET

Low starch/high protein diet for ankylosing spondylitis patients.

It is thought that in some cases a diet low in starches found in flour products and potatoes, and high in proteins and vegetables is of benefit for AS patients.

Ankylosing spondylitis is considered to be a form of "reactive arthritis" following an infection of the terminal ileum and ascending colon by the bowel microbe Klebsiella. Specific anti- Klebsiella antibodies in AS patients have now been reported from 17 different countries: England, Finland, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Spain, Belgium, Slovakia, Japan, China, Australia, Canada, USA, Mexico, Argentina, and Turkey.

Over 95% of AS patients possess the HLA-B27 antigen whilst it is present only in 8% of the general population. The Klebsiella microbe has molecules which resemble HLA-B27 and this is the reason why AS patients generally belong to the HLA-B27 group.

In addition, the pullulanase molecule of the Klebsiella microbe crossreacts with type I collagen found in tendons and bone and also with type IV collagen found in basement membranes of retina and uvea, thereby explaining the pathological sites of AS.

When one eats large amounts of starchy foods (bread, potatoes, cakes and pasta), the Klebsiella bacteria feed on it, multiply and then the immune system of the patient makes antibodies against the microbe and some of those antibodies will also have activity against HLA-B27 and against collagens in the spine and uvea, thereby acting as tissue damaging autoantibodies - hence the need to ABSTAIN from these foods.

http://www.kickas.org/londondiet.shtml


Been Carnivore/keto for almost a year. After couple of months noticed my general flexibility drastically improved; no more bad back episodes.
Lost a lot of body fat especially middle age looking hips.
Two meals a day; fasting not a problem if necessary.
Only concern is the encroaching Animal Rebellion...

Breakfast> 2 fried eggs,sauerkraut,watercress,mushrooms. Handful of nuts and small fruit. Expresso.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to hear of good such results.
Way to go. Wink

Took me a long time to heal the gut to take meat.
I'm now 75% meat. Plus sourdough spelt 4 carbs.
Next move is to remove spelt and see diff.

Yep the research in in alright.
And vested interests have no interest.
Bad food is profitable, as are Pharma's symptom drugs.

Among those yelling at the mere idea of eating red meat
are the Amer Cancer Society. ROTFLMAO Laughing

Better to call 'em the "Pfizer, Merck, GSK Cancer Society.

I suppose it was good timing to start this thread just 3 days
before the Evil Red Meat Scare began to implode.

OMG!! It's a Vegetarian Apocalypse:


Quote:
Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said.
Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.


The evidence is too weak to justify telling individuals to eat less beef and pork, according to new research. The findings “erode public trust,” critics said.

By Gina Kolata | Published Sept. 30, 2019

Public health officials for years have urged Americans to limit consumption of red meat and processed meats because of concerns that these foods are linked to heart disease, cancer and other ills.

But on Monday, in a remarkable turnabout, an international collaboration of researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence.

If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.

“The certainty of evidence for these risk reductions was low to very low,” said Bradley Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and leader of the group publishing the new research in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The new analyses are among the largest such evaluations ever attempted and may influence future dietary recommendations. In many ways, they raise uncomfortable questions about dietary advice and nutritional research, and what sort of standards these studies should be held to.

Already they have been met with fierce criticism by public health researchers. The American Heart Association, the American Cancer Society, the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and other groups have savaged the findings and the journal that published them.

Some called for the journal’s editors to delay publication altogether. In a statement, scientists at Harvard warned that the conclusions “harm the credibility of nutrition science and erode public trust in scientific research.”

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a group advocating a plant-based diet, on Wednesday filed a petition against the journal with the Federal Trade Commission. Dr. Frank Sacks, past chair of the American Heart Association’s nutrition committee, called the research “fatally flawed.”

While the new findings are likely to please proponents of popular high-protein diets, they seem certain to add to public consternation over dietary advice that seems to change every few years.

The conclusions represent another in a series of jarring dietary reversals involving salt, fats, carbohydrates and more.


"jarring dietary reversals"

A polite way of saying nobody believes official nutrition science any more.

So how did they get it so wrong?

Here's how:


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Should we care about signals like blood pressure,
or only major events like heart attacks?


Because big outcomes are rare, research sometimes looks at intermediate measures. Those, like weight, blood pressure, cholesterol levels and more, can change in shorter periods. Some will point to studies in these domains and say that they prove that meat reduction has significant health effects. High blood pressure or cholesterol levels are widely believed to be major risk factors for adverse events. Others will disagree as to how much we should rely on intermediate measures.

These new studies focused only on those end-stage outcomes.


The new studies said screw risk factors and intermediate markers.
Who actually the fuck died of a frikkin' heart attack.
That showed a different, non-scary answer.

It's a mistake they are always making.

Bad research says that, for example 'cholesterol' is a "risk factor".
Some good research says that, let's say 'dandelions' raise 'cholesterol'.

So now dandelions are a cause of heart disease.
Or red meat. Or whatever.
Based on 'risk factors.'
Dumb.

But Dumb for a reason.
One of them being this:

Quote:
The greenhouse gas production per serving of chicken or pork is about 20 percent that of a serving of beef. Cows also put out an enormous amount of methane. Meat and dairy are big contributors to climate change, with livestock production accounting for about 14.5 percent of the greenhouse gases that humans emit worldwide each year.


Having said that, current research is so pathetic that you cannot give
ALL red meats a pass. Organic, grass-fed beef and other meats are best.
Buy mass-market meats and you take your chances.


On one thing, though - the critics are 100% correct:

"The findings “erode public trust,” critics said."


Yes, these findings erode public trust:

They erode trust in bought and paid scientific wankers.

Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best diet is to eat your own shit. Sounds crazy but it works. Belly fat melts like Greenland glaciers. The best part is you only eat your own shit for breakfast and for the rest of the day you can eat whatever you like and as much as you like. And don't worry, it isn't a lot of shit you need to eat, only two tablespoonfuls. Get that shit down your gullet and it's back into your high school Levis you go! Next time I see you I hope it will be with a genuine shit eating grin on your face.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% agree that you can't trust any of these established sources for your diet. I want to reduce a lot of carbs and increase the meats, at least for breakfast now I'll try to have a stake and eggs, and a few black coffees Laughing



Jimbo, I have a good diet you might want to check out !!

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