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just0



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To balance the scales, Vox and Milo making some good arguments to
caution against Peterson. We'll have to buy the book to see the full case.
Very interesting intro though.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Vox:
" Jordan Peterson is a line of Cocaine masquerading as a Eucharist...."


Ouch!! Laughing

Not that it's got anything to do with Vox being jealous. Not at all.
Certainly not. Wink

So there is a lot of noise to signal in the book, like way too much digging
around in JBP's personal life and his psychodynamic struggles.

Peterson as feminist nightmare and Peterson as self-help guru is different animals.

The first is a political animal and a precise logician. He's a politician.
It's a smart and informed viewpoint.

The self help stuff grew out of the political in that it intersects with the
basics of assertion and self expression. It's not hugely different or new.

Peterson is showing that you must be an ethical humanist or atheist.
It has to do with necessity of transcending suffering for virtue's sake.
Peterson is the captain of the Titanic. He'll die noble for nobility's sake.

Vox thinks that's painting God out of the picture entirely.
That God is the explanation for suffering and the only exit.

Vox is old Testament.
A Christian who doesn't buy Jesus.

No wonder he hates Peterson Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But he's not jealous, he said so in the first chapter and gave many reasons
why he could not be possibly be jealous, the facts are clear, Vox is smarter,
has more published works and has a better looking wife Laughing

I'm not sure how any of these arguments should mean anything, but in all
the evidence to this intro to his book, there is not much but shitting on the
character of the guy. There was a few points about scientific research
being misinterpreted, but so far these are just differences of
opinion/interpretation. Which most research results are rife with anyway.

I'm willing to give Vox the benefit of the doubt, I don't know his full
argument, I will get his book somehow Wink. I guess it's more of the
same critique of details which are essentially subjective.

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Vox is old Testament.
A Christian who doesn't buy Jesus.


I wouldn't have thought about this angle much, but yeah Vox has some
deep issues in his thoughts on religion. Especially in terms of the all
prevailing Christian culture which he feels is clearly morally superior.

Come to think of it, Peterson has a lot of religious interpretations too,
but at least Jungian. Laughing

In most cases, Vox tows the line in academic thoughts, he has an irrational
belief in the legitimacy of the authority of yesterday and today. A real Midwit.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"WORSE THAN DEATH" -
Jordan Peterson's Nightmare with BenzoDiazapines





Peterson Family Update June 2020

WATCH IT HERE:

https://lbry.tv/@JordanBPeterson:c/reposted-peterson-family-update-june:c


Since it is World Benzodiazepine Awareness Day (July 11th), and in light of the seriousness of the public health related information it contains, I have decided to also release it here.

Related links:

Paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines:
https://www.acep.org/how-we-serve/sections/toxicology/news/july-2017/paradoxical-reactions-to-benzodiazepines-who-gets-them-and-why/

Akathisia:
https://w-bad.org/akathisia/

Catatonia and benzodiazepine withdrawal:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8835707/

Suicidality and benzodiazepines:
https://www.psychiatrist.com/PCC/article/Pages/2017/v19n02/16r02037.aspx
https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20181101/benzodiazepine-users-with-ptsd-more-likely-to-attempt-complete-suicide

Dependence vs. addiction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSdYltpePU8&list=PLGiM-snSAzyv6vnRV5NRsnJ_aQmapK0FI&index=7&t=0s

Benzodiazepine use and dementia risk:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6325366/

Benzodiazepine prescription rates:
https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/study-finds-increasing-use-and-misuse-of-benzodiazepines

Examples of severe benzodiazepine withdrawal from prescribed benzodiazepines:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/healthandlife/benzo-nightmare-us-doctor-on-a-personal-mission-to-highlight-the-dangers-of-the-drug-995756.html
http://www.benzo-case-japan.com/my-story-english.php
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2047018/
http://www.zakstein.org/for-meghan-testimony-in-support-of-ma-house-act-4062/

Celebrity deaths involving benzodiazepines:
Anna Nicole Smith, Whitney Houston - https://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2012/03/02/how_antianxiety_meds_are_killing_celebrities.html
Heath Ledger - https://edition.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/06/heath.ledger/
Michael Jackson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/15634083/the-drugs-found-in-michael-jacksons-body-after-he-died
Philip Seymour Hoffman - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/03/03/philip-seymour-hoffmans-mixed-drug-intoxication-is-typical-of-so-called-heroin-overdoses/#6c1ac87c14aa
Amy Winehouse - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/270466/Amy-Winehouse-had-taken-sedative
Tom Petty - https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cchr-another-celebrity-lost-to-benzodiazepines-and-opioids-mix-300588100.html

Benzodiazepines and early death:
https://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g1996

Overdose risk of benzodiazepines with opioids:
https://www.upmc.com/media/news/opioid-benzo-overdose
https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/benzodiazepines-opioids

Warnings:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/02/antianxiety-drugs-fuel-the-next-
...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzRbEMzr0k8

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant research Fintan.
Just going through it now.
Heartbreaking situation.
Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benzodiazepines suck.

https://www.alluredetox.com/can-you-die-from-benzodiazepine-withdrawal/

They're the only thing that can kill you in withdrawal besides alcohol

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The following are symptoms associated with benzodiazepine withdrawal:

Irritability
Panic attack
Profuse sweating
Increased heart rate
Inflated blood pressure
Insomnia
Trembling
Confusion
Heightened anxiety



Guess what they prescribe for alcohol withdrawal? Wink


Damn, in the past I've had fluctuations between loving and hating Peterson, but I'm so glad he made it. This is beautiful, to see him doing okay. The attacks on him from the left when he went down were inhumane, and it's one of the things that made me distance myself from that crowd.


May all of us come out of our darkness stronger.





Goddamn, the tail end of the video too though.
Seemed like a fairytale back then.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



JORDAN PETERSON RECOVERING
FROM COVID-19 INFECTION AND
PRESCRIBED MEDICATiONS


Exclusive: Mikhaila Peterson reveals her father's battle with coronavirus after a year of suffering with withdrawal from the prescription drug benzodiazepine. Jordan Peterson's health has declined over the last month after contracting COVID-19 in Serbia, where he is recovering from his addiction to benzodiazepines.

Mikhalia Peterson chats to The Sun's Steven Edginton for the Burning Questions series. Peterson talks about her dad's health, 2020's Black Lives Matter movement and her radical 'Lion diet' where she only eats beef.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was going to psychiatrists I was prescribed benzos and soon became addicted, consuming huge amounts of the 10mg blue Valiums.
The withdrawal was truly hell, and I think it took a couple of years for my brain to completely clear up. I had heard it is worse than heroin withdrawal/

I was talking to a friend who had gone through heroin withdrawal and she said, regarding benzos, "...That is the real 'hard stuff' "
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