This is intellectual chess and Peterson is nimble and sharp.
Arkaad spotlights every chess move
That's a the classic, and well broken down analysis.
I think the man has been getting attention for good reason. _________________ ~"“True observation begins when devoid of set patterns, and freedom of expression occurs when one is beyond systems.”"~
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I can dig his individualism. There is something very important about having "dangerous thoughts". I sometimes consider myself far-left leaning but damn, do I fucking hate group think and "the collective".
I don't really like the guy.
He doesn't seem to truly understand any of the stuff he puts out as advice (Jung-lite) or is critical of ( Marxism). Everything seems to be relatable to Disney Movie characters in his cartoon mind.
Most of the actual good advice contained in his book is BASIC self help stuff. i.e. posture, attitude. So he mixed "pull yourself up by your boot straps" self help with eastern influenced "Jungian" or "The secret" self help. $$$$ bag.
Fit for the Joe Rogan "woah dude, that's crazy" crowd.
However, most hit pieces on him are lazy trash from typical crap journalists. So criticisms of him where people actually use their brain ---see Fintan's above--- are refreshing.
No wonder he wins all the time.
Also, the guy can FUCKING DEBATE. So I look forward to the Zizek one...kind of.
Key things: He doesn't let shit go unchallenged. He literally listens to everything said and it not afraid to call it out. He does not break eye contact, except for at key moments, which must be pretty intimidating.
So sure yeah, having a clean house has it's merits, and we can debate the whole PC thing to death...
but THIS is how you deal with say, a bully Boss at work.
See @1:00 in especially
"What do you mean noone says that?! The term exists!"
If we want to continue this conversation I have a few videos and articles I can dump here later that I think do a better job of being critical of him than most. Also without simply screaming FASCIST!
He talks the talk but dude straight pulls stuff out of his arse---with confidence so it's hard to tell for lost, lonely, never never land boys.
Bri: If we want to continue this conversation I have a few videos
and articles I can dump here later that I think do a better job of being
critical of him than most.
Great. Bring it on!
A lot of the time he has an easy gig.
There's nothing wrong with tolerance, but it's not hard to
make fun of transgender political correctness gone nuts.
These Guys did this gig yonks ago:
Perhaps his dislike-ability comes from a latent aggression.
Or is it anger or even desperation because of life tragedy:
He's got this "Life Sucks, then you Die" going on.
Like: 'So you better make something of this shithole'.
'S cool dude. We're jus' spirit beings evolving.
Anyway, some of the life-coach side of Jordan:
_________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
They both seemed to agree on a lot of points, must be just a mis-alagnment
of definitions.... all in all not as confrontational as many people had
predicted. Both parties want less ideological thinking.... whod've thunked it? _________________ ~"“True observation begins when devoid of set patterns, and freedom of expression occurs when one is beyond systems.”"~
Just a movie recommendation, very funny, based on true events.
"The Death of Stalin"
here _________________ ~"“True observation begins when devoid of set patterns, and freedom of expression occurs when one is beyond systems.”"~
I can dig his individualism. There is something very important about having "dangerous thoughts". I sometimes consider myself far-left leaning but damn, do I fucking hate group think and "the collective"
Good points Bri, I'd like to be in that same camp as you insofar as having
'dangerous thoughts', but to who is it 'dangerous' to, who finds it
'offensive', who doesn't like what we say or how we say it??
Not everyone !!
But should you give a fuck ? _________________ ~"“True observation begins when devoid of set patterns, and freedom of expression occurs when one is beyond systems.”"~
A pair of great interviews which examine the
Jordan Peterson phenomenon in the context of
Ken Wilber's Human Developmental Spiral:
Doshin Nelson Roshi describes himself as poet, troublemaker,
and teacher. He is the head abbot of Integral Zen - an expert in both
the tradition of Zen and the Integral philosophy of Ken Wilber.
In this discussion with David Fuller of Rebel Wisdom, they explore the
cultural phenomenon of Jordan Peterson and what his runaway success
says about the intense times we are living in - and try to identify the
cultural forces moving below the surface, and the necessity to integrate
the shadow.
The Integral philosopher Ken Wilber did something similar to Peterson
in the 90s and 2000s, and built a large and passionate following.
What does he make of Jordan Peterson's rise to fame?
Where does he agree, and disagree with his philosophy?
He sat down with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller to explain.
_________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
4 Aug 2015 - Ken Wilber offers an introduction to Integral
Both Peterson and Wilber are on transcendent understanding.
This is an excellent primer by Wilber on his Intergal analysis.
And once you understand Wilber, you'll see the
commonalities and differences between them:
Jeff Salzman is the host of the Daily Evolver podcast about integral theory. In this discussion with David Fuller and Alexander Beiner of Rebel Wisdom, they explore how Jordan Peterson's thought relates to integral - what are his insights and blind spots.
Excerpt from a longer interview from earlier this year, Milo once a popular speaker on conservative ideas, now blacklisted for refusing to be labeled a victim in child sex abuse. Full interview is interesting too.
_________________ ~"“True observation begins when devoid of set patterns, and freedom of expression occurs when one is beyond systems.”"~
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