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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject: New Generation Train Bomb Hits London Reply with quote

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London tube explosion:
District line device was homemade bomb, say police


• 22 injured after improvised device detonates during morning rush-hour
• Burning device filmed on tube carriage at Parsons Green station - video

Friday 15 September 2017 08.01 EDT First published on Friday 15 September 2017 03.57 EDT

An explosion that injured a number of people at Parsons Green underground
station in west London was a terrorist incident, the Met police have said.


Commuters on a tube train reported hearing a bang and seeing a fireball flying down the carriage during Friday morning rush-hour. Pictures and video, purporting to be from the train carriage, were posted of flames coming out of a carrier bag containing a white bucket.



Rory Rigney said he had just got on the tube train when the explosion
happened only a few feet away sending “a big flash of light” down the
carriage. “It sounded like a smash then I heard a scream and thought
‘it’s someone having a fight’. Then I saw the fireball coming towards me –
yellow or orange.
My face still feels warm. I wasn’t hanging around to get
a better look at it,” he said.

He added: “It smelled like a fire extinguisher and there was this foam
on the floor.
It looked like foam from a fire extinguisher.” He described
seeing red wires coming out of a bucket in a Lidl plastic bag....

He said there was pandemonium as people fled. “There were so many
people trying to get out they were falling on top of each other, so there
was a bit of a crush at the door,” he said. “People were just panicking,
getting away and there was a lot of screaming.”

Two very significant aspects to this
morning attack using a train bomb:

1) A Timer Was Used

A very serious development because a suicide bomber can manually
detonate only one bomb. Whereas one person can set a dozen timer
bombs - and walk away from each one to strike again and again.

2) This was an unconventional bomb

This bomb did not detonate - it merely made a fireball. That might sound
like less of a threat, but the flame effects may have been a failed attempt
to trigger a much larger fuel-air blast or incindiary blast.



"I heard someone say that there was a flash and a bang
in the carriage and that a chemical covered the carriage.
They said there was a burning smell, like burning plastic..."


Source


A circuit board has reportedly been recovered at the scene, but as we
await more detail, here's a article about ISIS using a fuel-air bomb
in a war zone attack in 2016:

Quote:


ISIS has a terrifying new bomb

On July 3, 2016, Islamic State carried out its deadliest attack ever when it employed a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device  —  a VBIED — against crowds of people along a busy street in Karrada, Iraq.

The attack claimed the lives of 324 innocent civilians, many of them children. More than 200 additional civilians were injured in the attack.

On July 28, the BBC released an article summarizing some key characteristics of the Karrada explosion, which set it apart from other IED attacks carried out by ISIS thus far. It seems the militants deployed a new kind of bomb.

Consider — there was no visible crater at the seat of the explosion. The explosion did not cause serious structural damage to the nearest buildings. Many witnesses report sensing extreme heat after the blast. And several experts estimate that the initial blast killed 20 to 30 people, whereas the remaining 300 were killed by secondary fires.

These characteristics are unique, because they appear to indicate that ISIS did not rely exclusively on conventional explosives for the main charge in the Karrada VBIED.

Conventional explosives versus the Karrada bomb

Conventional explosives tend to create most of their effect from a powerful, but short and sharp blast. Therefore, when conventional explosives are used in a large VBIED, the blast usually leaves a telltale crater and causes considerable structural damage to nearby buildings. Blast site images from the VBIED attacks on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in the United States and Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia are good references.

According to security experts and drone footage, however, the Karrada explosion does not seem to have created a visible crater or caused considerable structural damage to nearby buildings.

Furthermore, survivors uncharacteristically felt the effects of the initial explosion for long enough to recall it as extreme, searing heat. These facts appear to indicate a longer-lasting, more billowing type of explosion. In addition, fewer than 10 percent of the victims appear to have died from the initial blast, whereas the remaining 90 percent seem to have died in extensive secondary fires.

Therefore, when assessing the type of weapon ISIS used in Karrada, the evidence seems to point toward a powerful, long-lasting incendiary explosion.

Fuel air explosion, or FAE, weapons were designed to overcome the shortcomings of conventional explosives and are characterized by their superb incendiary effects, as well as the absence of large blast craters. They usually consist of fuel-rich gels or slurries and a "burster" that, upon detonation, disperses the fuel component as an aerosol cloud and then either ignites or detonates it.

The continual combustion of the outer layer of fuel molecules as they come into contact with the air will generate additional heat that maintains the temperature of the interior of the fireball and thus sustains the detonation. In other words, FAE weapons create a large and relatively long-lasting fireball.

As a result of these characteristics, FAE weapons initially seem to provide a plausible theory for the type of IED used in Karrada. Nevertheless, FAE weapons have another characteristic that does not fit well with the circumstances of the Karrada attack — they can be 12 to 16 times more destructive to buildings than conventional explosives are.

Therefore, a normally-operating FAE weapon would have caused much more structural damage to adjacent buildings in Karrada than appears to be the case.


Incendiary weapons

Incendiary weapons are designed to spread extremely hot, slow-burning fires. While incendiary weapons use materials such as thermite, magnesium powder, and white phosphorus, the most common and easy to improvise substance is arguably napalm.

Napalm is a mixture of a gelling agent and a fuel — usually gasoline — that sticks to skin and causes severe burns once ignited.

Moreover, napalm is able to flow into foxholes, bunkers, and other fortifications, making it very effective against dug-in enemy personnel. Further, napalm is extremely easy to make, and recipes are readily available on the internet.

It is important to note, however, that flammable substances such as napalm are not explosives. Therefore, in the context of traditional incendiary weapons, their flammable properties are merely used to enhance the effect of conventional bombs.

This means that if ISIS manufactured a napalm IED for use as a standard incendiary weapon in Karrada, it would have likely required a main charge containing conventional explosives that would have left a telltale crater in the ground.

Accordingly, the characteristics of a standard incendiary weapon do not fully fit the circumstances of the Karrada attack, either.

Deflagration versus detonation

The answer to the mystery surrounding the Karrada IED may lie in the difference between deflagration and detonation.

When a mixture of flammable gas and air ignites, a sudden transition can take place from a deflagration type of combustion — fire and flame — to a detonation type of combustion featuring an explosion with a shock wave.

FAE weapons rely on the deflagration-to-detonation transition to produce their devastating shock waves.

Crucially, however, the transition does not always occur when FAEs are employed. According to a 1993 study on FAEs by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, "if the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel."

Given the facts laid out above, it is reasonably possible that ISIS employed an FAE VBIED containing napalm that deflagrated but did not detonate. This theory seems to account for each of the unique characteristics of the attack that were set forth in the BBC's July 28 article.

As mentioned above, FAE weapons usually do not leave a crater in the ground. An FAE weapon that only deflagrates is even less likely to leave a crater because the only shock wave at the blast seat would have been produced by the small "burster" charge. Moreover, lack of detonation within the fuel cloud could explain the absence of serious structural damage to nearby buildings.

Additionally, if an FAE weapon in Karrada only managed to deflagrate its flammable cloud, it would have produced an enormous fireball that could explain the extreme heat felt after the blast. This would especially be the case if napalm was used as the incendiary mixture because it burns at more than 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, or around 2,760 degrees Celsius.

It is likely that ISIS would have used napalm because it is cheap, simple to produce and very lethal.

Moreover, the intense and long-lasting fireball caused by the deflagration of a large cloud of aerosolized napalm would have caused mass casualties on the crowded shopping street in Karrada.

Once the fireball subsided, the large quantities of styrofoam walls, banners, textiles, and perfumes along the street would have sustained the blaze, resulting in further deaths. This would explain why approximately 90 percent of the Karrada victims were killed by fire.

ISIS relies on IEDs as a primary weapon, and is highly skilled at manufacturing a wide and sophisticated variety of them. While it depends on tried and true IED designs for much of its operations, ISIS also regularly experiments with new methods for enhancing and concealing these devices.

In July 2015, for example, the group prepared and employed improvised chemical weapons by repurposing mortar rounds to include chlorine gas. Confidential sources assert that ISIS has prepared and employed additional, albeit equally crude, variants of chemical weapons.

Accordingly, it is highly likely that ISIS would have the will and capacity to produce an FAE VBIED.


https://warisboring.com/it-seems-isis-used-a-new-kind-of-ied-in-karrada/

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


That's the device which partially exploded.
But what did it contain? One explanation:


Quote:
Hans Michels, professor of safety engineering at the chemical engineering
department at Imperial College London, said there appeared to be
similarities with the failed attempts on 21 July 2005 to bomb the tube network.

“In appearance and arrangement the remnants of the device seem highly
similar to those of the hydrogen peroxide-based devices of 2005.
The size of the device and its containment in a plastic bucket is also the same.”
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Yes, the outcome of the blast is consistent with a failed TATP device.

Some media reports say the circuit board recovered was not part of
a timer - but part of a remote trigger, according to The Guardian here.

That's the only explanation which makes sense anyway -considering that
the bomb went off at the exact time the subway car doors had opened.

This attack is being portrayed as low-grade, home-made failure.

Maybe so, but if whomever is doing this gets their act together
then the combination of fuel-air explosions and remote triggers
would be one heckuva multiple attack threat.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The hunt to catch the London tube bomber saw an 18-year-old man
arrested in Dover and armed police raid an address in Sunbury as
investigators raced to thwart a second attack.


Investigators believe the suspect may have been in the port area of Dover
to try to board a ferry to leave Britain, the Guardian has learned.

There was confidence among counter-terrorism officials that finding and
detaining the suspect at 7:50am on Saturday represented a major
breakthrough in the investigation.

It led to the decision to raid an address in Sunbury in Surrey at 2pm,
with residents evacuated as armed police and their colleagues searched
a home.


This morning's arrest of a 18-year-old teenager who was attempting
to flee Britain by ferry doesn't smack of an elite terrorist network at work.

A house in the Sunbury area was later raided by police, but reportedly
this was just the residence of the suspect's mother - not a Terror HQ.





Police in earlier statements spoke about a hunt for "suspects" in plural,
but have made no comment about whether this arrest ends their manhunt.
So it's possible that this was a solo run by one person.

The media are spinning all sorts of authoritative remarks about the blast,
however I think investigating police have been warned not to leak details
so the media crew of former officers who run private sector security firms
now have no police information sources and are reduced to speculation.

We'll have to wait for further hard info -not hype.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Terror Terrorist Terrorism Terrorist Attack Reply with quote

"New Generation Bomb" which supposedly injured 22 people with burns yet the plastic Lidl bag hasn't melted and the inside of the container is still white......

bollocks


This is getting embarrassing?

Of yeah and we're really lucky!..... Again!!

Sorry this is just more Bollocks......again!

A man running with a fucking bread knife is now a terrorist attack FFS!

A Man trying to knock down people in a £200.00 car or even "God

Forbid! a Transit Van is now a terrorist attack!? Hold on "Reports are now coming in of a Man running down the street in Central London with some sort of weapon shouting in Arabic" We cannot confirm at this stage if it is an ISIS attack..... no wait a minute his horse just won a race and it was only a bookies docket he was holding. The Terror Alert has been reduced back down to Amber.

"The Media" are telling us these are Terrorist attacks over and over and

over again. That they used to Fly Planes into Buildings but now they just

run around with knives or steal cars or use everyday items. There's

heavier shit going down every night at a Pikey Camp Site near me.

Its nonsense and most sensible people know it is and why its being done.

And as long as I'm still allowed to say it

Its fucking absurd and they are laughing at us.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



UNLIKELY LONDON TERROR SUSPECT IS NIGHTCLUB PR MAN
http://ind.pn/2hbMzzg


In order to justify raising the terror threat level to its highest level, UK police
have also arrested a 21-year-old friend of their 18-year-old main suspect.

The older man arrested is a laughably unlikely target for their inquiries.
He was detained outside a fast food joint called Aladdin's Fried Chicken
where he works on staff -though on Facebook he's a nightclub PR man.

You can't make this stuff up. Or rather, you can.
But you probably in all fairness don't have to.

That arrest came just hours after officers at the Port of Dover arrested
the alleged bomber, an 18-year-old, Iraqi refugee 'problematic foster
child' who was raised in Sunbury-on-Thames by an elderly couple. He
had a reputation in the area as a pain in the ass.

The weird thing is that he was arrested two weeks ago at the same tube
station where the device exploded on Friday, but was allowed to walk free.

Reports say a police car dropped him off at his home after the arrest.

No official elaboration so far to explain what on Earth
was he arrested for at the same station weeks ago
?!!?

Needless to say, that's kinda an important detail.

As yet little hard info on whether the bomb was remotely detonated or
was it done by timer. Also no official info on what was in it?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
The weird thing is that he was arrested two weeks ago

at the same tube
station where the device exploded on Friday, but was allowed to walk

free.


Reports say a police car dropped him off at his home after the arrest.

No official elaboration so far to explain what on Earth

was he arrested for at the same station weeks ago
?!!?

Needless to say, that's kinda an important detail.

As yet little hard info on whether the bomb was remotely detonated or

was it done by timer. Also no official info on what was in it?


https://youtu.be/hgee3IGYZsU?t=53s

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