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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Was Manchester a false flag and or Hoax? Reply with quote

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Edited by Fintan to add:

No problem - This topic you started is the best place anyway,
so I'm re-posting your latest comment there to this post.


je-demande previous posts on this issue:

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86503#86503
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86506#86506
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86515#86515
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86517#86517


It took me a while to realize the other thread was called..."Manchester Attack Latest"
- not quite what was in my head so apologies for that.

My gut says false flag but was anyone killed?

skinters wrote:

As for Chapelle who kept his mouth shut but refused to obey the inner-code of Hollywood wasn't allowed to work again for years and likely the only reason he was allowed back in at all is because he cut a deal. He like so many others get drawn into the conspiracy theories 'they' want you to believe in.


What is the point in saying all that? Chappelle is simply a mainstream comedian who made a Joke about the absurd number of shootings during obama's term. Your opinion of Chapelle or what he has for brekky is irrelevant to the point made.


skinters wrote:

Let's for argument sake say that Sandy Hook was a hoax. To believe every terrorist attack is a hoax says a lot to a person's gullibility. That suggestion becomes so strong that you fail to take each with fresh eyes, and not be influenced by the past. For example what do we know of the Manchester bombing, and how much can be verified.


Were did I say any of that?

skinters wrote:

You could take it further, and say that even if the victims were fake has the desired effect been achieved on the population?. What I'm saying there is it's very easy to be led down a path chosen by others. If you believe it's a hoax, then the burden of proof is on you.


If you're insistant on hypothesising with my hypothesis then its time to realize that on here hypothesising is usually the only proof you're ever gonna get.

skinters wrote:

You won't find any tear jerker reactions here, but well thought out analysis on what's occured.

Thats kind of Bumming yourself up.

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a dedicated topic to discuss this question.
Here's je-demande previous posts on this issue:

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86503#86503
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86506#86506
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86515#86515
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86517#86517

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still quite a few people saying there are still no phone footage of the

actual event? I certainly haven't found any proof of the actual bombing but

I can honestly say I don't really want to either as I stopped watching that

kind of stuff a long time ago but perhaps others could confirm.

What I can say is that You Tube may soon become unwatchable with the

amount of disinfo being pedalled there especially with this Flat Earth Shit

getting out of hand using up bandwidths and attention spans.

One thing for sure the state of emergency is very real & really what this is

all about.

So the Big question is MIHOP or LIHOP?

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southpark Fan wrote:

You're preaching to the Converted there SPF & I long before suspected John Smiths convenient death to facilitate the arrival stage right of Tony Blair and his Mossad New Labour project.

One could even speculate that those behind him listening intently may have thought long & hard before going off piste & perhaps losing their direction while hiking, especially if by chance they ever get an important job one day?

Anyway its kind of weird and the first time its ever happened to me but a customer who was born in Manchester told me this morning about a young neice of hers who was at that Adriana thing and apparentally her friend got Shrapnel injuries which is kind of weird especially after me posting this thread.!!

Which obviously proves they were watching me because of it and then got this Woman who I didn't know was an asset to enlist my services again and then drop the little tit bit right in there... I mean thats the obvious answer there isn't it! :-) They must think I'm really dumb to fall for the old "Customer Asset in deep Cover Routine"

Anyway I suppose I better watch I don't fall off this Monocycle with all this Back Pedalling.

I suppose we could also put the so called Obama Shootings in another cat? (More Mass Shootings Under Obama than the Four Previous Presidents Combined) A kind of "Hoax lite" in very easlly controlled little hick towns with one road in or out? With a kind of travelling Circus of Cops Doctors Teachers and lorries full of clothes..... can I be a Policeman again?

Policeman ok but Im fucking sure you're never doing Coroner again! :-)
This guy is just surreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0OT5od9DA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpMd9xXKsYI

Thank god the Gun Lobby is so strong - I reckon if the UN ever get the guns its game over. - And don't they know it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537330/UK-border-shambles-means-ISIS-fighters-slip-in.html#ixzz4i6qplvIl

A photo used by the Daily Mail showing the bomber (far right) and some of his friends in his carefree pre-radicalization days.

On the UK Column News they directed our attention to the shadows beneath the faces, especially of Abedi and the guy to his right. The right guy's chin shadow is on his left shoulder and Abedi's shadow in on his right shoulder.

Hmmm.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimbo wrote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537330/UK-border-shambles-means-ISIS-fighters-slip-in.html#ixzz4i6qplvIl

A photo used by the Daily Mail showing the bomber (far right) and some of his friends in his carefree pre-radicalization days.

On the UK Column News they directed our attention to the shadows beneath the faces, especially of Abedi and the guy to his right. The right guy's chin shadow is on his left shoulder and Abedi's shadow in on his right shoulder.

Hmmm.

I thought that Guy was making the tea or something now?? - he's the one that messed up loads of Apollo Pics the same way? I can't believe he's still working on Photos?

P A T T E R N S

Full Article here - http://www.globalresearch.ca/manchester-berlin-paris-nice-london-new-york-passports-and-ids-mysteriously-discovered-in-the-wake-of-terror-attacks/5592063

This article reviews the “mysterious” phenomenon of IDs and Passports of terror suspects routinely discovered (often in the rubble) in the wake of a terrorist attack.

In most cases the alleged suspect was known to the authorities.

Is there a pattern? The ID papers of the suspect are often left behind, discovered by police in the wake of a terrorist attack.

According to government and media reports, the suspects are without exception linked to an Al Qaeda affiliated entity.

None of these terror suspects survived. Dead men do not talk.

In the case of the tragic events in Manchester, the bankcard of the alleged suicide bomber Salman Abedi was found in his pocket in the wake of the explosion.

Legitimacy of the official stories? The UK is both a “victim of terrorism” as well as a “State sponsor of terrorism”. Without exception, the governments of the Western countries victims of terror attacks, have supported, directly or indirectly, the Al Qaeda group of terrorist organizations including the Islamic State (ISIS), which are allegedly responsible for waging these terror attacks. Amply documented Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA.

Below is a review of the circumstances and evidence pertaining to passports and IDs discovered in the wake of selected terror attacks, with links to Global Research articles and media reports (2001-2017). (This list is by no means exhaustive)
From NYC on 9/11 to Manchester, May 2017

In reverse chronological order

emphasis added
The Manchester Terror Attack, May 2017.

Manchester Bomb Suspect Said to Have Had Ties to al Qaeda …

NBCNews.com–May 23, 2017 MANCHESTER, England — Salman Abedi, the 22-year-old British man … in a suicide-bomb attack, had ties to al Qaeda and had received terrorist training … was identified by a bank card found in his pocket at the scene of the ...

Manchester Attack as MI6 Blowback?

By Evan Jones, May 26, 2017

“A bankcard has been conveniently found in the pocket of the … Daesh has claimed responsibility for the Manchester attack, but without …”

No image of the alleged bankcard is available.

Ironically, the suspect Abedi was first identified by Washington rather than UK police and security. How did they know who was the culprit 3 hours after the explosion? According to Graham Vanbergen:

In the early hours of the morning of the 23rd May – approximately 02.35BST NDTV via the Washington Post stated quite categorically that:

“U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, identified the assailant as Salman Abedi. They did not provide information about his age or nationality, and British officials declined to comment on the suspect’s identity.”

This was published at a time when British police and security services were refusing to make any statements as to who they thought the perpetrators were because at the time, they were dealing with the immediate aftermath of the event.
Berlin Truck Terror Attack, December 2016.

The Berlin Truck Terror Suspect and the Curious Matter of ID Papers Left Behind

By WhoWhatWhy, December 22, 2016

The Berlin Truck Terror Suspect and the Curious Matter of ID Papers Left Behind. By WhoWhatWhy. Global Research, December 22, 2016. Who What Why 21 ….:

The suspect’s identity papers were found inside the truck used in Monday’s attack on a Christmas market, which left 12 people dead, German security officials said.

The suspect was known to German security services as someone in contact with radical Islamist groups, and had been assessed as posing a risk, Interior Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia Ralf Jaeger told reporters.

Berlin Truck Attack

Source: Daily Mail, July 15, 2016
The Nice Terror Attack July 2016

The Nice Terror Attack: Towards a Permanent State of Martial Law in … the alleged perpetrator is dead and conveniently left behind his ID.

Nice, 14th of July Massacre: Towards Martial Law? The Islamic State (ISIS-Daesh) Claims Responsibility?

By Peter Koenig, July 15, 2016

According to Peter Koenig in relation to the Nice terror attack:

During last night’s celebration of the French National Holiday, around 11 PM, a speeding truck plowed into a crowd of thousands who were watching the fireworks along the Mediterranean Boulevard Anglais. The driver of the truck, was simultaneously and indiscriminately shooting into the crowd. He was able to run for 2 kilometers before being stopped by police, which instantly shot and killed him.

A horrendous terror attack, killing hordes of people, spreading pain, misery, fear and outrage in France, Europe – the world over.All indications signal the Big Script of yet another false flag; yet again in France.

The young truck-driver was identified as a 31-year-old Frenchman, resident of Nizza, with Tunisian origins. As in previous cases, ‘coincidence’ has it that his identity papers were found in the truck.

The young man is instantly killed by the police. Dead people cannot talk. A pattern well known by now.
Paris Charlie Hebdo Terror Attack, January 2015

Police found the ID of Said Kouachi at the Scene of the Charlie Hebdo Shooting. Does this Sound Familiar?

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, January 10, 2015

“According to news reports, police found the ID of Said Kouachi at the scene of the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Does this sound familiar? Remember, authorities claimed to have found the undamaged passport of one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers among the massive pulverized ruins of the twin towers.”

Paris Bataclan Terror Attack, November 2015

The Paris Terror Attacks and 911: Similar “Evidence” Makes it Suspicious

By Timothy Alexander Guzman, November 20, 2015

The Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) declared that it was responsible for the latest attacks in Paris as did Al-Qaeda who also claimed responsibility for 911. … However, there are similarities between the terror attacks in Paris and New York City on September 11th.

First, Syrian and Egyptian passports from two of the suicide bombers were found at the scene of the stadium attack in the northern part of the city. After both suspected terrorists detonated their explosive devices, their passports were still found.

This brings us back to the September 11th terror attacks where U.S. officials recovered a passport intact a few blocks from the World Trade Center which did belong to one of the hijackers,

Magic Passports Redux: Syrian Passport Allegedly Discovered on Paris Suicide Bomber

By 21st Century Wire, November 14, 2015

In the context of the enquiry about the Paris massacres, a Syrian passport was found next to one of the kamikaze bombers of Stade de France. After being pointed out as responsible for the attacks by President Hollande, ‘the Islamic State’ claimed that they had engineered the onslaught. The French executive, that had already stated that they wanted to take action in Syria allegedly against ISIS, but actually against Bachar El Assad, who ‘has to go’, sees in this a significant clue that comfort their military expedition.
London 7/7 Terror attack, July 7, 2004

The 7/7 London Bombings and MI5’s “Stepford Four” Operation: How the 2005 London Bombings Turned every Muslim into a “Terror Suspect”

By Karin Brothers, May 26, 2017

On Tuesday, July 12th, Lindsay’s wife Samantha Lewthwaite had called police to report her husband Germaine (“Jamal”) missing. Police searched their home immediately. The next day, on July 14th, police announced that they had Lindsay’s ID and he was the fourth bomber. Lewthwaite was incredulous and refused to believe the accusation without DNA proof. The police identification was stunning because they had been claiming that all of the suspects looked Pakistani; there was no way anyone could mistake the big, black Lindsay for an Asian. What had police been looking at?

9/11 Terror Attacks: September 11, 2001

Was America Attacked by Muslims on 9/11?

By David Ray Griffin, September 11, 2016

9/11 Truth and the Joint Congressional Inquiry: 28 Pages of Misdirection on the Role of Saudi Arabia

By Dick Atlee and Ken Freeland, September 11, 2015

For years the 9/11 Truth movement (9TM) has been vainly pleading with ….. FBI agent Dan Coleman explains how the passport of 9/11 hijacker …

9/11 Contradictions: Mohamed Atta’s Mitsubishi and His Luggage

By David Ray Griffin, May 09, 2008

9/11 Contradictions: Mohamed Atta’s Mitsubishi and His Luggage … It also contained a Saudi passport, an international driver’s license, …

“In the official version for 9/11 the FBI claimed that they found the unscathed passport of one of the pilots near one of the towers that were reduced to ashes by explosions whose heat melted even the steel columns in the buildings’ structure. The fourth plane’s crash near Shanksville also yielded a passport which, though scorched, still made it possible to read the person’s first name and surname and to see his ID photo. This is all the more disturbing as nothing at all was left in the crater, no part of the plane or of the people travelling in it, only this partly scorched passport.

Confirmed by Dan Rather CBS News, “a passerby found the passport of one of the hijackers” on the street just hours after the 9/11 attacks. (1′.23″)

According to Who What Why:

The Visa of Satam al-Suqami: This identify document of one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers somehow survived unscathed a few blocks from the twin towers, though the plane itself was virtually obliterated.

Visa belonging to Satam al-Suqami

Visa belonging to Satam al-Suqami

The Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi: The passports of two alleged hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly survived the fiery crash in Pennsylvania that left the aircraft itself charred and widely scattered—with one passport entirely intact.

Full Article
http://www.globalresearch.ca/manchester-berlin-paris-nice-london-new-york-passports-and-ids-mysteriously-discovered-in-the-wake-of-terror-attacks/5592063

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Was Manchester a false flag and or Hoax? Reply with quote

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What is the point in saying all that? Chappelle is simply a mainstream comedian who made a Joke about the absurd number of shootings during obama's term. Your opinion of Chapelle or what he has for brekky is irrelevant to the point made


Well you brought him up.

Hes only a simple mainstream comedian, but you seem to think he knows whats going on?.


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Were did I say any of that?


You never, but you obviously think all this is a hoax. You even started a thread on it now.

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If you're insistant on hypothesising with my hypothesis then its time to realize that on here hypothesising is usually the only proof you're ever gonna get.


Not got a clue what you talking about there im afraid.

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Thats kind of Bumming yourself up.


Who said i was referring to my analysis?, im talking of the forum in general. ...but if you got it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a variety of reasons I don't believe that this a hoax, not least because the deliberate allowing back into the country of many hundreds of fighters in this country alone shows where the agenda is at. Now, said individuals don't necessarily need to do shit, but they can of course influence others to do the bidding for them.
However I get the broader point, why is it that we simply believe that x event did occur? when no evidence is actually offered, the point being is that the narrative is being sold to us.
Every time the individuals or individuals are guilty before any guilt could possibly have been established. The media says it repeatedly though so we can circumvent the need to establish guilt.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: Was Manchester a false flag and or Hoax? Reply with quote

skinters wrote:
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What is the point in saying all that? Chappelle is simply a mainstream comedian who made a Joke about the absurd number of shootings during obama's term. Your opinion of Chapelle or what he has for brekky is irrelevant to the point made


Well you brought him up.

Hes only a simple mainstream comedian, but you seem to think he knows whats going on?.

I said exactly
"The number of attacks especially in the US were they are clearly targetting the 2nd amendment is so absurd in recent years that even Dave Chappelle flags up its pure absurdity."

in other words even a mainstream comic on mainstream TV mentioned it
not on some sad fucked up website full of fapping conspiracy heads.
or.... Dave Chappele knows blah blah wink...


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Were did I say any of that?


You never, but you obviously think all this is a hoax. You even started a thread on it now.

The thread title is a "Question"
I don't think its a Hoax I asked a few questions to clarify what some friends had implied and I was questioned. It is pretty clear from reading this thread I don't believe its a hoax.


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If you're insistant on hypothesising with my hypothesis then its time to realize that on here hypothesising is usually the only proof you're ever gonna get.


Not got a clue what you talking about there im afraid.

Then I'm sorry I can't help ya!


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Thats kind of Bumming yourself up.


Who said i was referring to my analysis?, im talking of the forum in general. ...but if you got it.


You were being exclusive bumming up a group you implied you belonged to while implying I didn't.

My Advice to you would be if you've only got a Hammer don't pretend everythings a nail.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stillsearchingtruth wrote:
For a variety of reasons I don't believe that this a hoax, not least because the deliberate allowing back into the country of many hundreds of fighters in this country alone shows where the agenda is at. Now, said individuals don't necessarily need to do shit, but they can of course influence others to do the bidding for them.
However I get the broader point, why is it that we simply believe that x event did occur? when no evidence is actually offered, the point being is that the narrative is being sold to us.
Every time the individuals or individuals are guilty before any guilt could possibly have been established. The media says it repeatedly though so we can circumvent the need to establish guilt.


At the end of the day I was being lazy.

I had been working & sleeping for nearly a week and I don't watch TV

I guess after being out of the loop I was just lazy & wanting someone I trusted to spell it out I just didn't expect flak for suggesting it was a hoax.

However me being stupid doesn't mean it wasn't a hoax and there is no Jo Hari Window on what every one(myself included) is thinking about it.
We're all just guessing.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Was Manchester a false flag and or Hoax? Reply with quote

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in other words even a mainstream comic on mainstream TV mentioned it
not on some sad fucked up website full of fapping conspiracy heads.
or.... Dave Chappele knows blah blah wink...


Theres no conspiracy heads around here, but to question the Manchester bombing as a hoax is a conspiracy theory.

Your headline doesn't give the other option that is viable..that the bombing wasn't either of them, but a genuine terrorist attack.

That tells me you only want to discuss false flag, or hoax.

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It is pretty clear from reading this thread I don't believe its a hoax.


Every question you ask refers to it being a hoax or false flag. Instead of saying this is what your friends are saying just admit its what you think. Tell your 'friends' they dont know what they are talking about 'Laughing

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You were being exclusive bumming up a group you implied you belonged to while implying I didn't.


Oh i know your part of the forum, just miles off the analysis.

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My Advice to you would be if you've only got a Hammer don't pretend everythings a nail.


Laughing

You just seem to be at that conspiracy stage. Lots of paths offered, and your more than willing to head down somewhere thats been chosen for you. The idea that there is nothing beyond flase flag, hoax doesn't enter your mind so you need to ask why.

Ill check up on you in 6 months time to see if you've reached the next level Laughing
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