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Fintan
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Manchester & UK Terror Attacks Latest Reply with quote

Snailstream media is still chattering away
without actually revealing much detail.

First off- this was an explosion:

https://twitter.com/AD_WHITMAN/status/866802567296278528


This video shows an injured woman with both legs nail bombed
at #Manchester arena! [CAUTION GRAPHIC]

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/866802302807674884


That's circumstantial evidence of a haversack bomb at ground level.

That kind of an attack would leave me very uncomfortable.

A dead suicide bomber I can get with.

An abandoned haversack bomb.

Dunno about that.

We'll see if these very early indications are borne out.

The questions are: who did this - any why?

And why now.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armed police - reportedly made an arrest.
Armed unit ok - but unconfirmed re arrest.

https://twitter.com/PoliticalRising/status/866802657066795008

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



19 DEAD ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL REPORTS

It was a nail bomb style of attack.

Expect that death toll to rise.

UPDATE:

Terrorism propagandist is claiming that IS are celebrating
on the internet and this sort of proves they were involved.

https://twitter.com/MichaelSSmithII/status/866808837344505856


UPDATE:

Police are to carry out a controlled explosion re a second suspect device.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is this picture. I can't confirm it. Period.

I've had it a while. But it does unfortunately confirm some
latest reports that the explosion was just outside the event and the
photo is consistent with the known LAYOUT so I am republishing it
for your consideration.



Note the words CITY ROOM EXIT above the doors.
And here's the confirmation from the event layout.
Note the CITY ROOM exit at the bottom left below
and the Metrolink reference on both:



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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


https://twitter.com/mtavp/status/866808218953166852
Also:
https://twitter.com/rananast/status/866825378454806528

That's an alleged ISIS tweet from before the explosion.
Twitter have suspended the account named @owys663


10PM EST-
Latest toll is 23 are dead, more than half of those, kids under 18.
Not per official police report - but this report I judge trustworthy:


Quote:
Swarms of panicked concert goers poured out of the venue, resulting
in additional injuries and deaths. British Police tell PopWrapped that the
injuries are "consistent with pressure cooker nail bombs."

Employees at local Manchester hospitals tell PopWrapped that "mass
casualties are expected and prepared for." Hospital staffers have been
warned that their shifts could exceed 48-hours. Police have already
confirmed multiple fatalities. Reports are that at least 23 are dead,
more than half of those, kids under 18
, with more than 60 additional
wounded. Local Police are warning everyone to avoid the area, and
the Tube is also avoiding all stops in the area.


http://bit.ly/2qQgL3R

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Numerology 22 is the most powerful of all numbers it is The Master Builder.

The 22nd May seems to be a favoured day for terrorism in Britain.

The 2008 Exeter Restaurant attempted bombing where a convert to Islam from Plymouth who had Asperger syndrome and learning difficulties, was described as the “least cunning person ever to have been charged with terrorism” and injured only himself in the blast inside the Giraffe restaurant in Exeter.
He was later found dead in prison and inquest into his death is postponed.

The 2013 British Army soldier, Fusilier Lee Rigby of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was attacked and killed by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, southeast London.

One eye witness account of the Manchester bombing of interest:

Quote:
Another witness Jenny Brewster told MailOnline: 'We were exiting the building when it happened. We'd headed towards the main doors as Ariana was performing the last song because we wanted to beat the crowds, but – as we made our way there - a wall of security men blocked it and told us to go the other way.

'Seconds later they shouted 'RUN!' and the explosion happened right behind them. Hundreds of people were running and screaming. Those men saved our lives.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4531940/Emergency-services-rush-Manchester-Arena.html

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon hearing last night that a "terrorist" attack had taken place in Manchester 17 days before a General Election, the cynical part of me immediately wondered whether this event is likely to enhance the prospects of the authoritarian right-wing political party which currently governs the UK. I'm sure Prime Minister May will have memorised her script and practised her lines so that she'll be able to present the illusion that she is firmly in control of this grave national crisis.

I expect that she'll outline why there may need to be emergency measures or legislation to restrict some of the rights and freedoms of the British public (for our own good), tighter border controls, more powers for the "security" services, increased surveillance in general and greater vigilance all round. Oh, and by the way, her thoughts and prayers will be directed towards all of the victims and their families and their loved ones, especially those who are still undecided as to their voting intentions in a fortnight's time.

On the other hand, maybe I'm doing the lassie a dreadful disservice and she was just as surprised by this unforeseen development as the rest of us.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can a lone terrorist gather materials, and construct these kinds of bombs on their own?.

I'm not talking conspiracy, but don't you need some degree of knowledge, and expertise to construct these weapons?. Especially seeing anyone who would be prepared to blow themselves up would not be of sound mind needed to construct one?.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Greater Manchester police have confirmed that they believe the bombing
was the responsibility of one man armed with an improvised explosive
device. The man is among the dead.

Chief constable Ian Hopkins said: “We have been treating this as a
terrorist incident and we believe that while the attack last night was
conducted by one man, the priority is to establish whether he was
acting alone or as part of a network.”

“The attacker, I can confirm, died at the arena. We believe the attacker
was carrying an improvised explosive device, which he detonated,
causing this atrocity.”

The investigation into the attack involves the police counter-terrorism
network and Britain’s domestic security service, MI5.

The death toll would make it the worst event of its kind in Britain since
the 7/7 bombing in 2005, which hit London’s transport network, killing
52 people.


Guardian.co.uk


Very little being said about the nature of the blast,
but it has the signature of TATP - low heat signature
and a high air-blast velocity.


Quote:
In Manchester, counterterrorism police from North West Command will be carrying out forensic work at the scene of the explosion.

They will try and find bomb-making signatures that might give a clue as to who was behind this attack.

They will look for certain chemicals, such as triacetone triperoxide (TATP).

TATP has been used by terrorists around the world, it is a favoured compound of Islamic State and it is relatively straightforward to make, but it is extremely unstable and lethal.

WRONG. It is not relatively easy to make.

It is relatively easy to blow yourself up trying to make it.

Quote:
The University of Bristol was forced to evacuate a Chemistry building earlier this month, after a student inadvertently produced a dangerous explosive.

A statement by the university revealed that the chemical triacetone triperoxide, TATP, “was unintentionally formed during a routine procedure” being conducted by a Ph.D. student on 3rd of February.

The building was evacuated, and emergency services were called to the laboratory and carried out a controlled destruction of the substance.

TATP was the same substance used in the Paris attacks that took place in November 2015. It is easy to avoid detection as it does not contain hydrogen, but is also highly unstable.

Often, the illegal premises where bombs are being made are destroyed when it detonates early.


So this looks like a professional operation with high competence.

TATP was used in the Bataclan attack and in the London 7/7 Bombing.

That's bad news.

It means that a State actor can't be ruled out.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.

I used to think of these attacks were carried out to get people behind the war on terror, but seriously who gives a fuck?. The fake war on terror will continue wherever we are for it or not thats a done deal.

So motives?.

The UK has a general election coming up, and we have trump trying to conduct business with his visits...neither of these are reason for other players to be involved?.

I dont think this is a planned event to ramp up another attack of sort on our civil liberties either.

If they were going to do something they would implement it so again...

Motives.

Another thing is they have already decided this gut was a lone wolf...i dont buy that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well looks like someone realises the difficulty in making these bombs.

The only parts they have not worked out is the the real culprits are not who they suspect to be.


Quote:
Security analysts suggest it's likely the attacker had co-conspirators.

A number of security experts have suggested that last night's attack in Manchester is unlikely to have been carried out by a "lone wolf", and that it's likely the attacker had co-conspirators.

Attacks that involve homemade explosives are complicated, and there aren't many individuals in the UK who have the expertise and the determination to plan such an attack alone. Fewer still would be able to do so without being detected by the security services.

Chris Philips, former head of the National Counter-Terrorism Security Office, told the BBC:


"This was obviously a planned attack, and that will involve people looking at the venue, seeing how the venue operates. Also, the fact that it sounds like it was a strapped on suicide belt with perhaps dockyard confetti – the little bits of nuts and bolts attached to the vest – and those, unfortunately, are there deliberately to kill people... so this does look like a step up, and my worry – and I think the police's worry – is that this person probably wasn't acting alone and there are other people that need to be captured."
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/did-the-manchester-bomber-act-

If this was indeed state sponsored then its telling that its the police thats somehow given the task to find the culprits, ie they will find nothing.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



That photo I posted from last night is still getting described as fake.

The photo was released very early on, ans there was a lot of denial
going round at the time and so people made emotional judgments

But as you can see it matches the above promo shot of the exit area.

The Twitter-er claiming to be the photographer says
the pic last night shows "the G3 exit from lower tier".
I'm awaiting further details from him.


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