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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is still not clear what powerful (financial?) interests are pulling the strings of the puppets in the generalitat, but they are for sure there.
BTW, I heard that Pueigemonte pays himself a salary of 140k euros/year, and the rest of his crew in the parliament draw similar sums.

Not bad for people who have never worked for a living!
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je-demande



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
It is still not clear what powerful (financial?) interests are pulling the strings of the puppets in the generalitat, but they are for sure there.
BTW, I heard that Pueigemonte pays himself a salary of 140k euros/year, and the rest of his crew in the parliament draw similar sums.

Not bad for people who have never worked for a living!



If its not clear then why speculate Michael? What is clear is that the Real "Powerful financial Interests" in Brussels want them back in their box.

There will be bad/good guys on all sides of any Historical event its important however not to proliferate Propaganda.



I would also "guess"(haven't checked it) that may of the pro unionists are either of Spanish or Migrant descent. How one may view this is open to personal interpretaion but certainly helps explain why the Elites are so pro immigratioon as they don't care who the flag wavers are or were their from.

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James D



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a good article on the failure of the media to properly explain the situation in Catalunya -

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Playing by Madrid Rules
https://wingsoverscotland.com/playing-by-madrid-rules/

We’re not a Catalonian-politics website and we don’t even have an opinion on whether Catalonia should be independent, but sometimes it’s easier to understand the workings and failings of the media if you watch how it behaves on a subject you’re not directly and closely involved with. Last week was one of those weeks.

Below is a clip from yesterday’s edition of Sunday Politics Scotland. It features a man called José Rodriguez Mora, who was introduced to SPS viewers neutrally as simply an academic from Edinburgh University but was in fact instrumental in the creation of a stridently anti-independence Catalonian political party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=UAOFs3GQazM

He was brought on to give voice to what has become the universal UK-media spin on events in Catalonia – that both sides are to blame, that the Catalan government was provocative and irresponsible to call an “illegal” referendum, and that the only way for the area to achieve independence is through the 1978 Spanish constitution, despite it expressly forbidding any such action and its cornerstone of existence (also known as the “Preliminary Title”) being “based on the indissoluble unity of the Spanish Nation”.

So in the striking absence of any useful information in the press, we thought we’d do a little digging and see how that might work.

The first point to note is that the Spanish constitution is – by design – very difficult to amend, placing a series of onerous obstacles in the way of any proposed change.
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The British and Scottish media, however, has made no attempt to explain any of this, and has colluded with the official Spanish government line at every turn. The most startling example is the way every UK news outlet has casually and repeatedly asserted as fact that the turnout for the October 1 referendum was 43%.

The intention of that, of course, is to suggest apathy and an inconclusive result, but it’s a remarkable empirical distortion of both the truth and the most basic principles of language. Hundreds of thousands of votes were seized by the Spanish police on the day, and the best guesses at the percentage of eligible voters who actually succeeded in casting their votes into a ballot box are around 57%.
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Of the votes which were able to be counted, over 92% were cast for independence. Statistically the percentage in the seized boxes would be the same, which would mean that even counting every single non-voter as a No, at least 51% of the entire eligible electorate voted for independence – a clear and unarguable mandate.
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For comparison, just 37% of the eligible UK electorate voted for Brexit, and 47% of the eligible Scottish electorate voted to remain in the UK. Among the Catalan ballots that weren’t seized and were properly counted, more than 38% of the electorate voted for independence, so even despite the Spanish government’s best attempts at stealing the votes and violently suppressing turnout, Catalan independence still has more of a mandate than the UK is leaving the EU on.
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What is happening in Catalonia in 2017 is indisputably an affront to democracy. The result of a referendum which was conducted with impeccable dignity and propriety under incredible intimidation is discounted, but the people of Catalonia are permitted no legal recourse to achieve their aim.
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You cannot say that people who cast their votes but then had them stolen by riot police “didn’t turn out”. You can’t say that those who went to a polling station to vote only to find it smashed up and/or closed by the same riot police “boycotted” the referendum. You can’t say that a government given no lawful options for “properly finding out” what its citizens want is behaving irresponsibly by seeking the best, most peaceful and most democratic solution open to it.

At least, not unless you’re playing by Madrid Rules.






The 3 main independence supporting parties CUP, ERC and PDeCAT have all said they will take part in the elections on 21 December. The Spanish "loyalist" parties PP, PSC-PSOE and C's will obviously be there but it will be interesting to see what happens with "neither here nor there on independence" CatSíqueesPot (a left wing coalition of Podemos, United Left and the Greens) who account for about 10%.

The democratically elected Catalan Government are in Brussels looking for guarantees from the Spanish Government.

The "Jordis" are still in jail! -



In the latest polls even most Spanish people (57%) think there should be an agreed referendum, so they're still keen on democracy in general ... just!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 weeks ago http://www.gearoidocolmain.org/israel-will-bank/ Israel Will Be Our Bank
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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did Madrid cancel all Catalan 'embasies' in other countries....but they have allowed the one in Brussels to remain?

There is something going on between Madrid/Catalunya/ECB that we are not aware of?
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James D



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC:
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Why did Madrid cancel all Catalan 'embasies' in other countries....but they have allowed the one in Brussels to remain?


Probably so they don't have to give any explanations to the EU.

Catalonia has seven delegations abroad: in Germany, France and Switzerland, the United Kingdom and Ireland, Austria, Italy, the European Union and the United States.

8 members of the Catalan Government are on charges of "Rebellion" (carrying a max sentence of 30 years). However as the journalist Elisa Beni explains in this Basque TV video the Audiencia Nacional (High Court) does NOT have the competence to try anyone for "Rebellion" as it declared itself incompetent in 2008 while attempting to try Francoist Military. Wink

So there will be no extradition order.

http://www.eitb.eus/es/television/programas/el-programa-de-klaudio/videos/detalle/5182093/video-elisa-beni-puigdemont-delito-rebelion-audiencia-nacional/

As she says the judiciary is independent with ordinary people but when it gets close to power things are very different!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



With English subtitles here -
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/12/12/on-the-catalonian-republic/
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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since both governments - Madrid and Barcelona - are corrupt beyond comprehension I am more or less neutral on the matter.
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James D



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's Liz Castro ( https://lizcastro.com/ ) with some perspective -



Just a couple of days to go ...
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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching business English to various small/medium size business owners here, all Catalan natives, is giving me quite an education on this thing and, as usual, it is NOT the story that is told by the media.
It goes back to the beginning of the 20th century but really gathered steam after franco's death and certain powerful family interests (e.g., Jordi Pujol et al.) saw their opportunity to break off Catalunya as their own private fiefdom. "Why rob a bank when you can steal a country"?
More on this later, if requested.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The darkest hour
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-darkest-hour/

Today, on the shortest day of the year, the people of Catalonia will vote in an election under the auspices of a brutally repressive government which has closed down their devolved parliament, imprisoned their democratically-elected leaders, viciously beaten hundreds of voters for no crime other than trying to vote, and banned almost all types of expression of public support for Catalan independence, including outlawing colours of the rainbow.

All this has happened within the borders of civilised free Europe, and the other nations of that great continent have largely either turned a blind eye to Catalonia’s suffering, or actively sided with the Spanish regime. Many people fear that today’s election will be rigged, or that if pro-independence parties win the result will simply be ignored and the election re-run until the “right” result is arrived at.

The UK media has barely acknowledged that the election is taking place, even though it appears that many of the most cherished and fundamental human rights and freedoms of the West are at stake. (Or perhaps precisely for that reason.)

For members of peaceful self-determination movements across the world, including in Scotland, the stakes could barely be higher. Madrid has demonstrated in the starkest possible terms that power devolved is power retained, and events in Barcelona today could be events in Edinburgh tomorrow.

(And if that seems overly melodramatic, ask yourself who would ever have imagined a 21st-century democracy sending in riot police, in full view of the eyes of the world, to literally drag blood-soaked elderly women out of polling stations by the hair?)



All we can do is watch and hope that justice prevails, and that the darkest hours do prove to be those that come before a bright new dawn.

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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have rarely read such total bullshit/lies as the first paragraph cited above!

And I am no supporter of either government.
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