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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Postconditioning Events Reply with quote

Reply to this topic with evidence and discussion of Postconditioning
-events designed to bolster the official 9/11 tale.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: It's ALL Clinton's Fault ! Reply with quote

Here's the latest on one of the main Postconditioning gambits,
the shifting of blame for the attacks on to the Clinton administration:


ABC has just aired a “docudrama” this weekend called “The Path to 9/11″
which blames President Clinton for the 9/11 attacks while praising Bush.



The ABC Special is a hachet job by a conservative:

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The writer of the movie is an unabashed conservative named Cyrus Nowrasteh. Last year, Nowrasteh spoke on a panel titled, “Rebels With a Cause: How Conservatives Can Lead Hollywood’s Next Paradigm Shift.” He has described Michael Moore as “an out of control socialist weasel,” and conducted interviews with right-wing websites like FrontPageMag.

The problem isn’t that Nowrasteh is conservative. The problem is that Nowrasteh and ABC are representing “The Path to 9/11″ as an unbiased historical drama. Promos for the movie say it is “based on the 9/11 Commission Report.” Nowrasteh claims he “wanted to match the just-the-facts tone of the report,” and describes the project as “an objective telling of the events of 9/11.”

Here’s some of the objectivity you can expect: Nowrasteh says the film shows how Clinton had “frequent opportunities…in the 90s to stop Bin Laden in his tracks — but lacked the will to do so.” He has referenced Clinton’s “lack of response” to Al Qaeda “and how this emboldened Bin Laden to keep attacking American interests.” A review today in Salon.com says the film paints Clinton “as a buffoon more interested in blow jobs than terrorists.”
http://thinkprogress.org


And more people associated with this ABC Special are hardly impartial:

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"Former ABC News anchor John Miller, now the FBI's Assistant Director of Public Affairs, was also a consultant on the project. His book, The Cell, co-authored with Michael Stone, was optioned by ABC for use in the teleplay. In addition, The Relentless Pursuit by Samuel Katz was also optioned.

The Path to 9/11 is executive-produced by Marc Platt (Empire Falls). The producers are Hans Proppe (Anne Frank) and Cyrus Nowrasteh (also the writer); and Governor Thomas H. Kean (Chair, The 9/11 Commission) is senior consultant."

http://abc.go.com/specials/pathto911.html


And these claims about Clinton, aired on ABC, don't stand up:

Quote:
Right wing uses ABC docudrama to push debunked
claim blaming Clinton administration for 9-11


Summary: In anticipation of ABC's docudrama The Path to 9-11, the right-wing media have resurrected a debunked claim that attempts to place blame for the 9-11 attacks on the Clinton administration. Specifically, a review of the miniseries on the right-wing website Human Events Online asserted that the Clinton administration erected a "wall" to prevent information-sharing between government agencies. In fact, the "wall" long predated Bill Clinton's presidency.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609010012


More on this from CIA Fake Truthout.org:

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" Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went completely unreported by the media, which was far more concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that everything the administration said was contrived fakery.

In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted after September 11, was withered almost to the point of uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the threats Clinton spoke of.

Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them "totalitarian."

In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its criminal executives in Houston, were using those same terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board of Directors."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083006J.shtml
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: The Kissinger Gambit Reply with quote

THE KISSINGER GAMBIT

Now, how could Bush be so dim as to think that Kissinger would
possibly be an appropriate choice for the 9/11 Commission???

Answer: Kissinger was a Diversion

His appointment sold you buy the "It's all about Oil, Unocal, Enron" line on 9/11.

And it let Bush appoint his real choice as the replacement: Kean. Wink

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"Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has resigned as chairman of a commission investigating events leading up to the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States. Mr Kissinger, who had been in the job for just 16 days, had been criticised for refusing to release the names of clients at his consulting firm. His resignation throws the inquiry into turmoil. It comes hard on the heels of the announcement earlier this week that the commission's vice chairman, George Mitchell, was quitting. The BBC's Tom Carver in Washington says the episode is enormously embarrassing for Mr Bush, adding questions will be asked about why possible conflicts of interest were not raised before Mr Kissinger's appointment."
Kissinger quits as 9/11 inquiry chief
BBC Online, 14 December 2002

Of course many bought the Kissinger Gambit, and sold it too:

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The Kissinger Appointment
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/WATinquirychaos.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re: THE KISSINGER GAMBIT

Press For Truth Clip: Kissinger Vs. The 9/11 Families:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxjJDlbnC4
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Press For Truth Clip: Kissinger Vs. The 9/11 Families:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxjJDlbnC4

Yep, that's the kind of propaganda I'm talking about. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.debunking911.com/conspiracy.htm

Just when you thought the powers that be have problems with all conspiracies (except their own about the 19 hijackers, of course)....

This is from the "debunking" site for 9/11 conspiracy, aptly named www.debunking911.com.



What a real conspiracy looks like. Real conspiracies have very little players and even then they are usually exposed. Enron, Watergate, Iran/Contra and the rest have few people involved and someone always comes out to blow the whistle.

It lays out, in precise terms, just exactly what a "real" conspiracy should look like. A government-approved, honest conspiracy.... involving no one but the Republican, Bush administration, PNAC, NeoCons. Unless every adjective preceding that pronoun in involved, it doesn't fly.

Not whacky, banker-corporatist-G8-oriented crazy talk. Take notes.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember this one? It was one of the first:

Palestinians 'Gone Wild'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRNKvm-Ky-Q

"Jubilant" Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k


This entire news clip is interesting, however, the story about Palestinian children supposedly celebrating after the 9/11 attack is at 3:15 into Part 1 of the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4akkrCZR0k

Here's Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es5IX0dbbog
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a scenario: As for post-conditioning events that has not happen yet... (erh...)
Is there any chance that NIST's report (as promised) regarding building 7, due to be released in December, will contain any surprises?




Given that is will be released after the election, is it possible that they are hoping for a somewhat different political "climate" to present their "new" take on 7 WTC probably being brought down by something other than fire, diesel or tower debris ("Oh my God, it does look like a demolition took place!"), or would that be like NIST shooting itself in the foot?

Further, would this shift the focus away from 1 WTC and 2 WTC, or would it lead to further investigation of the towers, eventually culminating in a silent "revolution" within NIST and it coming clean, so to speak. There were people like this within UL (Kevin Ryan); could that be the case for NIST as well?


Deep Logos' "predictive" pen wrote:
[All this would perhaps facilitate a focus on the administration (if the political constallation changes after the election), and then lead to impeachment of certain key figures within the administration and certain agencies. These key figures would be too afraid of repercursions to their immediate family, etc (threats) to further divulge the extent of what they know. (what the 'real powers that be' want, usually happens.) "You made it happen, you Neocons...!!!" would be the rallying call again. It would perhaps bring down Blair as well. Domestic political havoc in the US and the UK would again shift the focus away from what happens in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, and an interim president would pave the way for a new president who will continue the "agenda" in a slightly more subte, but similar fashion (he may even focus on restoring what is left of the US economy, at least say that he/she will do that)]

Case closed. Most of the people in the US (and the world) got what they wanted. New contitioning implemented. Real investigativ focus effectivly quenched. Less need for fake terror in western countries (for the time being). The "agenda" continues.


Plausible?

On the other hand, people within NIST have serious conflict of interest problems, being involved in both the FEMA investigation and the Silverstein insurancy claim; in other words in deep s**t.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Uncle Sam's lucky finds Reply with quote

And here's a well written list of the postconditioning "discoveries",
many confirming the Al-Qaida as the 9/11 perpretrators:

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Uncle Sam's lucky finds

Anne Karpf - Tuesday March 19, 2002 - The Guardian

On Sunday night the United States prepared for fresh strikes against new pockets of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. At almost exactly the same time, American intelligence revealed that they had uncovered an increase in money being transferred between groups of al-Qaida fighters. According to my reckoning, this is the 14th handy thing that American intelligence has discovered since September 11. Think back over the past six months and it becomes ineluctable: never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

It started the day after the attacks on the twin towers, with the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport. In the immediate shocked aftermath of the attacks, these findings were somehow reassuring: American intelligence was on the case, the perpetrators were no longer faceless.

In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport (BFN Editor's note: It wasn't Atta's). We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged would have tested the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism.

Yet we were still in the infancy of coincidence. On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate.

In December the laughing, boasting video of Osama bin Laden was unearthed in a house in Jalalabad. The new year saw no let-up in this serendipitous trove - January turned up an email sent by "shoe bomber" Richard Reid from a Paris cybercafe (and found on its hard disk) shortly before boarding the Paris-Miami flight in which he claimed responsibility in advance for downing the plane. (Luckily or carelessly, depending on your perspective, Reid had pocketed a business card from the cybercafe.)

And then, last Friday, Major General Frank Hagenbeck revealed that Americans had found a whole shelf of field manuals on undertaking terrorist activity, to put beside the instruction manual on how to use light automatic weapons left in a training camp in January.

Apart from the fact that the al-Qaida network seem to have a catastrophic way with lost property, isn't it strange that these most demonised and potent of terrorists seem unable to operate any weapons without a manual? Dad's Army is nothing - this bunch sounds as if they wouldn't be able to programme the video. And if the quality of their manuals is anything like those most of us have come across, they will still be wrestling with them long after the guarantee has run out.

Of course you could interpret these discoveries differently. You could detect in them the clear hand of American propaganda. This isn't, of course, to claim a dirty tricks department somewhere in the heart of Washington. That would have you immediately accused of peddling conspiracy theories, though I'm coming to think that conspiracy theories have had a bad press. What are they, after all, but "joined-up government" by another name?

All these discoveries can't obscure four things that American intelligence agencies have notably failed to find. First, even with a bloated expenditure exceeding Russia's total defence budget, they never managed to find out about September 11 before the event. Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones's new book, Cloak and Dagger: A History of American Secret Intelligence (Yale), shows how, almost since their 19th-century inception, American intelligence bureaux have invented or exaggerated a succession of menaces to defend their spiralling budgets and demonstrate their own usefulness while failing to tackle effectively other, more substantial threats.

Second, despite a reward of $2.5m offered at the end of January, the FBI still hasn't discovered those responsible for last year's anthrax attacks.

Third, American intelligence, tragically, didn't find Daniel Pearl, the US journalist kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan.

Fourth - and most spectacular - despite having highly sophisticated satellite tracking equipment, and offering a reward of $25m for information leading directly to his apprehension or conviction, they still haven't found Bin Laden.

Is this one reason why the US is talking about an attack on Iraq - a flexing of the military biceps to distract from flabby intelligence? Whatever the case, to find one training manual might be regarded as a stroke of luck. To find a shelf-full looks like desperation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.html
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:55 pm    Post subject: The Coup Reply with quote



Certainly the most errie "coincidence" of 9/11 was the legendary album
cover from the Coup's 'Party Music' album.

I think it would be ludicrous to assume that the CIA was behind an album
--just because it's cover showed an attack on the World Trade Center towers.

I think it would be understandable to assume that the CIA was behind an album
--because it's cover showed an attack on the World Trade Center towers,
and which matched exactly the impacts of the two planes.

I think it would be well founded to assume that the CIA was behind an album
--because it's cover showed an attack on the World Trade Center towers,
and which matched exactly the impacts of the two planes; and
which was released with the word COUP in large letters over the
explosions.

I think it would be on the money to assume that the CIA was behind an album
--because it's cover showed an attack on the World Trade Center towers,
and which matched exactly the impacts of the two planes; and
which was released with the word COUP in large letters over the
explosions; and which was scheduled for release at the time of the
9/11 attacks.

There is coincidence and then there is coincidence.

This is now the subject of out first audio
in the new '9/11 Without Tinfoil' series

FULL POST IS NOW HERE:

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=827


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan, you spelled it out quite well. Excellent background info on The Coup. There are perhaps a few more things that can be discerned from the cover image:

the word "Engaged" on the remote device (can't make out the subtext...anyone?)

the conductor's wands (an orchestrated event)

the curious hand position on the left wand ('hook-em horns'?, i.e. masonic hand gesture? this is one of Dubya's favorites)

and...dare I say it...black musicians symbolizing 'black' ops (not that "The Coup" isn't enough, but these covert lab folks think of everything)

and who knows...maybe some very subtle (subconscious) imagery in the clouds/smoke?

Just some wild-ass thoughts on this git down and partay cover. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: The Coup Reply with quote

Wow! This is incredible!

Fintan wrote:
There is coincidence and then there is coincidence.

Not to undermine Fintan or anyone else on the forum, but I would have to say that this is a very firm case of synchronicity.

From Wikipedia,
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Synchronicity is a word coined by the Swiss psychologist Carl Jung to describe the "temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events." Jung spoke of synchronicity as an "acausal connecting principle" (i.e. a pattern of connection that cannot be explained by direct causality). Plainly put, it is the experience of having two (or more) things happen coincidentally in a manner that is meaningful to the person or persons experiencing them, where that meaning suggests an underlying pattern. It differs from coincidence in that synchronicity implies not just a happenstance, but an underlying pattern or dynamic that is being expressed through meaningful relationships or events. It was a principle that Jung felt encompassed his concepts of archetypes and the collective unconscious, in that it was descriptive of a governing dynamic that underlay the whole of human experience and history social, emotional, psychological, and spiritual. Jung believed that many experiences perceived as coincidence were due not merely to chance, but instead, suggested the manifestation of parallel events or circumstances reflecting this governing dynamic.


Given the magnitude of 9/11, something as incredible as this album cover could have precognitively "just happened". I wouldn't doubt that there were many others, although more subtle in nature.

The Devil is in the Details
The answer may still lie in the album, if one can find it, interpret it correctly, and walk away without suspicion of involvement. Had Boots, his photographer, or any of their associates felt "impending doom" about the future of the WTC and said something about it beforehand, they would have all been shunned, scoffed at, institutionalized, killed or reported missing. The human race has pretty much eraticated any genetic traits for premonition. So now, the finger-pointing is directed at those possessing synchronous materials.

The only thing that I'm trying to say here is: If we judge these people too quickly, we run the risk of scaring off others who may have pertinent information, whether it be first-hand or a product of synchronicity.
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