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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peterson seems to be a religious man anyway, there's no doubt about it,
but he is dedicated to a cause which is beyond that. I don't have to agree
with him on everything, but he seems to have it all backed up.

But hey, as far as new age philosophy goes he's fucked em up good
Thats a WIN Exclamation Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of wrecking new age philosophy, Gaede knocked it out of the park
with this one, science, politics, debates, he's hit all the nails nicely.



And looks like a Nassim Haramein teardown coming next ! Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
or should that be: Order Versus Freedom?

Just a nitpick, but ya, freedom is unpredictable and chaotic by nature.
It's not as most perceive it to be, chaos is not a negative or derogative.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fintan wrote:
or should that be: Order Versus Freedom?


Just a nitpick, but ya, freedom is unpredictable and chaotic by nature.
It's not as most perceive it to be, chaos is not a negative or derogative.

I like Jordan Peterson's critiques, but I was having an affectionate
dig at him there with that chaos / freedom comment.

Agree for sure 'chaos is not a negative'.... but Jordan has described
failing to graduate college as a negative descent into Chaos compared to
the glorious Order of qualification.

Chaos is his devil takes the hindmost. Wink

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

'Chaos' was the name of enemy intelligence in the 'Man from U.N.C.L.E.'
It's only freedom.

"Just take the anti-depressants," says Jordan.
"Don't reject the lifeline we are throwing you."

Whoa! Hold the fuck on. Critical faculties -rather than blind faith?
What about meta studies showing marginal effect over placebo.

Why so little critique of our systemic failures - just individuals failures?
Why trust received wisdom and the contents of university libraries?
That's mostly the bullshit that won, is all. Do not mistake for truth.

But I can counterpoint his orthodoxy with enough tinfoil to bake a cake,
so no worries. Somebody's got to be the orthodoxy. And he kicks major
holes in ideologies despite that.

Having run a charity called Men's Aid, I get his critique of feminism.
His mindset was pretty much at the core of that Men's Aid project.
Kathy McMahon who helped, was a suspicious of feminism as he.

But he's taking it beyond mere analysis of flawed political feminism.
He's charting a new masculine in a world where "Male God Is Dead".

He strips the mystic veneer and argues that morality is just synapses.
Deeming consciousness a mere artifact of biology.

Death is the big Chaos for his mindset.
Spiritual and material Order is his antidote.

His great work is to replant the teachings of Christianity in materialism.
Arguing that Nietzsche nailed it: God is dead.
But Jesus was right otherwise.

He translates Biblical tales into well-grounded behavioral psychology.
This is a noble effort. Arguing for ethics amid seeming futile suffering.

That's quite a determination. He admits that he must personally fail.
That his death is final and that humanity will hardly turn around soon.

He takes some notice of eastern ideas that personality/psyche is just
an illusion and death is merely formally reuniting with the great One.

But largely, he faces the concept of human death with an ethical stand
which is alike to Christianity without the benefit of any awaiting Heaven.

That's a tough hombre. Good call. And it's the gateway to illumination.

Because only when personal oblivion is faced as a possibility can one be
free to then rationally evaluate all explanations for this life-death cycle.

He should turn to something he knows:

Jung's concept of the Self.

There he will find his personal Eternity
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The Self, according to Jung, was the sum total of the psyche, with all its potential included. This is the part of the psyche that looks forward, that contains the drive toward fulfillment and wholeness. In this, the Self was said to drive the process of individuation, the quest of the individual to reach his or her fullest potential.



In this area Jung once again is seen to differ from Freud; in Freudian theory, the ego is responsible for the above process and forms the axis on which a person’s individual psychology spins, whereas in Jungian theory, the ego is just one part which rises out of the (infinitely more complex) self.

Jung said that the Persona is an element of the personality which puts on “masks” in various situations (such as the side of yourself you present at work, or to family), that is a persona. The Persona can be seen as the “public relations” part of the ego, the part that allows us to interact socially in a variety of situations with relative ease.


Suppose the Self is Quantum and non-local and the Ego is 3D and local.

Suppose the Self is the Actor.

Suppose the Ego is the Character played by the Actor as Persona.

Suppose each Character dies. But the Eternal Actor doesn't.

Just as the Ego rises out of the (infinitely more complex) Self,
the Character rises out of the (infinitely more complex) Actor.

This is what happens in all the books, comics, movies, plays and the
other Character/Actor scenarios with which our culture is saturated.

Characters die, but Actors live on to play another day.

Suppose that fact is a sort of clue.

If anybody was looking for clues.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...a Nassim Haramein teardown coming next ! Laughing


Haramein was way too easy a takedown, in the end.
Bill regurgitated the last video for 40 mins and then
unleashed on the "televangelist" Haramein.

ROTFLMAO :fin https://youtu.be/RJRwbrfmgGg?t=40m20s


Gaede is terrific at exposing the gaps in modern
scientific reasoning by tightening the definitions:



His approach in a nutshell:

    Regular Physics: How complex, mathematical and inexplicable shit is.

    Gaede Physics: How shit works.

Gaede says all centers are connected with tiny, invisible ropes.
Twisting of these ropes produces the physical effects we see.

It's that simple. And I don't accept it. Which is great!!

Because then I can come back with maybe a tweak or restructuring....

I mean the fact that his explanation is straightforwardly comprehensible
enables actual scientific inquiry to proceed via comprehensible argument.

All the more so because now we can't wriggle out of the basic definitions.

That's how you do actual science. Mainstream science is stuck, thus it's
raw need to bend its own basic terms so that several totally incompatible
theoretical structures can be mashed into one via prove-anything maths.

This is a recent interview with Bill -in the form of a list of questions.

The first 42 minutes has more actual
science
than most hear in a lifetime:





LATEST: Haramein & Tesla


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really admire Bill Gaede for his views on how to set up your
theory before even starting to describe how it's going to change the world Smile

I initially was attracted to Peterson but have come somewhat suspect of him









Vox Day also a several videos on "Jordanetics"

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Peterson, yeah I agree it seems like a lotta feel good mumbo jumbo with
some nuggets of wisdom thrown in there. It seems that he's filling the vacuum
that Jung created, which of course no-one can live up to, or would want to,
but all that aside, I see him as sincere in his research, that goes a long way.

On Gaede, I'm glad to see such a perspective getting a positive reception,
here's guy who's history is pretty unbelievable:
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Joined voilent anti-capatalism groups communist groups in Argentina
Fled with his family to america and got a job at AMD
Gave chip technology trade secrets to the communists
Didn't like what he saw in communist countries he visited
Gave himself in, CIA stepped in and made a deal woth him
Was forced to work at Intel at which point he was arrested
Spent three years in jail and developed the rope theory in jail.


Gaede isn't part of alternative science, He's alt - alt science
which is a negative by a negative, a plus... it's just science.

Fintan wrote:
I mean the fact that his explanation is straightforwardly comprehensible
enables actual scientific inquiry to proceed via comprehensible argument.

All the more so because now we can't wriggle out of the basic definitions.

That's how you do actual science. Mainstream science is stuck, thus it's
raw need to bend its own basic terms so that several totally incompatible
theoretical structures can be mashed into one via prove-anything maths.


YES, Mainstream science is stuck , that's not recent, it could go back
to the Greeks. After all, we've named everything after them.

duaneh wrote:
I really admire Bill Gaede for his views on how to set up your
theory before even starting to describe how it's going to change the world Smile

Yeah, that's a challenge which requires a lot of thought and anyone who
has any ideas, please feel free !!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Bill says science started in the 21st century Exclamation Exclamation
I can't disagree, so far we've got philosophy and engineering,
a precise and rational science with a linguistic foundation doesn't exist. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



BILL GAEDE - SECRET AGENT!

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Just0: Gave chip technology trade secrets to the communists


This interview covers Bill's various spying and
his Intel activities (literally and figuratively Laughing)

btw/ Check out the experiment at 47 mins.

What kind of wave can wrap around a beer bottle?
Srsly. Laughing No really seriously. A water wave can.

A water wave striking a beer bottle, simply wraps around
the bottle and then just continues on past the bottle.

That can create an interference pattern like a double slit.

Light can also do this, so what is the medium of its wave?

Ocean is the "medium" of the waves hitting the sea shore.
Note that a wave is not a thing. A wave is a periodic
variation in the ocean's surface topography.

This is the core problem with wave-based models.

How come this wave behavior with no "aether"?
No medium? Just the vacum of 'empty' space.

That's the $64 Trillion question in a nutshell:
How come wave behavior with no "aether"?
Question

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What kind of wave can wrap around a beer bottle?
Srsly. Laughing No really seriously. A water wave can.


'Waves' are verbs, concepts which we rarely think about, there has to be
something or a group of things in motion, waves can't explain how
one thing is pulling another thing. Tension could pull it all together Laughing

AND, there is a difference between 2D surface waves, and 3D waves.
There'sa lot to learn with waves, which don't agree with the wave theories
or the particle theories.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
A water wave striking a beer bottle, simply wraps around
the bottle and then just continues on past the bottle.

A water wave is a phenomenon of matter in motion, the H2O is the motion.
Freeze frame any 'wave' of matter, what have you got ? Just matter.

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Fintan wrote:

This is the core problem with wave-based models.

How come this wave behavior with no "aether"?
No medium? Just the vacum of 'empty' space.

That's the $64 Trillion question in a nutshell:
How come wave behavior with no "aether"?
Question


Can't believe I skipped over this but yeah, this is the $64 Trillion question,
aetheris a theory about 'just a bunch of particles', that's great for mathematical physics, but it's getting us nowhere.

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