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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:06 pm    Post subject: Do real leftists actually exist? Reply with quote

I have to ask the question since self proclaimed leftists liked to talk about how they are the ones who are anti war and yet, these people have shown their true bitch colours by falling silent as soon as they get "their man" Obama in power.

Those cowardly spineless shits will continue to be silent as they get their "man" Hilary in power, oops I mean woman?.

In another sickening twist of any decency...

President Obama said, “These extraordinary honorees come from different backgrounds and different walks of life, but each of them has made a lasting contribution to the life of our Nation. They’ve challenged us, they’ve inspired us, and they’ve made the world a better place. I look forward to recognizing them with this award.”

The following individuals will be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom:

Madeleine Albright
From 1997 to 2001, under President William J. Clinton, Albright served as the 64th United States Secretary of State, the first woman to hold that position. During her tenure, she worked to enlarge NATO and helped lead the Alliance’s campaign against terror and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, pursued peace in the Middle East and Africa, sought to reduce the dangerous spread of nuclear weapons, and was a champion of democracy, human rights, and good governance across the globe. From 1993 to 1997, she was America’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations. Since leaving office, she founded the Albright Stonebridge Group and Albright Capital Management, returned to teaching at Georgetown University, and authored five books. Albright chairs the National Democratic Institute and is President of the Harry S. Truman

Are you fucking kidding me?

These so called leftists should be voting for the Libertarian party en masse if they don't want to see the republican candidate Trump get it, but voting for Hilary, that is one vile sub human right there.

n an address last Nov. 22 to The International Conference on War-affected Children in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Boyle tallied the death toll on Iraq by U.S.-U.K. actions as follows:

# The slaughter of 200,000 Iraqis by President Bush in his illegal 1991 Gulf War I.

# The deaths of 1.4 million Iraqis as a result of the illegal 2003 war of aggression ordered by President Bush Jr. and Prime Minister Blair.

# The deaths of 1.7 million Iraqis “as a direct result” of the genocidal sanctions.

These figures are truly stunning, I didn't know they were quite this big, otherwise it shouldn't surprise me.

Now we have the west sponsoring the destruction of Syria and god only knows what the true death toll is there and that's just 2 countries. The reality of what is going down in countries like Yemen is probably absolutely horrendously bad.

The blood literally stains these cretins lesions like Obama, like Hilary, like Albright and so the list continues and yet Hilary campaigns attractive massive crowds and that bastard Sanders has the audacity to endorse her too.

She is going to make things even worse, pure wickedness.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1989, an advisor to president Ronald Reagan named Francis Fukuyama wrote a highly influential essay called “The End of History?”, in which he suggested the Liberal Democracy is the end point and highest evolutionary state of political governance. Citing the fall of Fascist governments in Spain, Italy and Germany, as well as the failure of State-Communism as seen in the then-crumbling Soviet Empire, Fukuyama suggested that Capitalism and Democratic forms of government were the destiny of humanity. Though his essay (and subsequent book) have fallen mostly out of favor, the sense that we are now living in the most peaceful, advanced, and static form of society has become so entrenched that few even see the matter as open to debate.

I use Adobe eReader to view ePub files. The link below has The End of History and the Last Man
by Francis Fukuyama

available in many formats.

https://archive.org/details/TheEndOfHistoryAndTheLastMan


There is a flaw in the above paragraph; Fascism is alive and well and the perverted form of Democracy that exists has not permitted the ideal final state to be realised. 'Democracy' is an illusion; and Left or Right is just another way to segregate/categorize people, just like religion/sexuality/colour/income level is used by the governing scum to keep people bickering about minutia while they steal your money and whore for corporations.

I am an Anarchist in theory. Unfortunately I do not have a real solution. I think if we have 'Democracy' the intelligence apparatus should be turned inward to keep a very close eye on the governing scum. Pay them outrageously well; but if you break the law or fall out of line, life in prison. No parole. Of course the whoring for corporations and perverted interests would be ended as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will take a read of that SP but here is what EVEN MORE FUCKED UP.

We have this moral equivalency drawn between saying "nasty things" which is now called a hate crime apparently "Go back to Africa" is roundly condemend and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

YET virtual silence from people concerning the TRUE HATE CRIME, murdering millions of people. Yet, it speaks for the true sickness that has infected people's minds. My colleague...she is evidently an identified socialist and will passionately speak about how we should just keep allowing in these poor refugees.

YET When I stated to her that Obama is scum, I don't give a shit he is black, Madeleine Albright is a cold callous evil twisted witch who said that millions of iraqis dead is a price worth paying and when I continued to say that Hilary Clinton is a sadistic criminal bitch, she couldn't refute these things and yet instead she laughed about it.

So contrast the 2 reactions.....I make what in my opinion is a rational case for why unvetted refugees coming in their millions is a bad idea which she gets annoyed about, but, yet when I cut the bullshit and speak to the real cause of war refugees she laughs because A) As a socialist she must lovingly embrace non whites and B) I called those 2 bitches the evil cunt bitches that they are...the second of which of course activates her feminist mindset so she mustn't pay any attention to that either.

This is anecdotal evidence of blatant brain washing and she is just a microcosm of that being played out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I don't see a contradiction there, SST. True leftists do exist, but not in US government. A socialist (or an anarchist) looks at Obama or Clinton and sees a murdering corporatist scumbag. The fact that those people are considered "leftists" is a hijacking of the whole concept of the left. The real left is WAY further to the left than any US politician, even Sanders (although he comes the closest).

I get the feeling she laughs because there's nothing she can do about it. The world is so fucked! People are so stupid! haha!!! pour me another beer!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well....I was talking about the people that identify themselves as left wingers but fell silent when Obama used his position to wage wars in spite of him being popular with the would be voter because of his anti war stance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stillsearchingtruth wrote:
Well....I was talking about the people that identify themselves as left wingers but fell silent when Obama used his position to wage wars in spite of him being popular with the would be voter because of his anti war stance.


You're thinking of progressives.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI I'm not a Marxist maoist etc

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/ccp-china-hip-hop-marx-post-90-censorship-socialism-music/
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
stillsearchingtruth wrote:
Well....I was talking about the people that identify themselves as left wingers but fell silent when Obama used his position to wage wars in spite of him being popular with the would be voter because of his anti war stance.

You're thinking of progressives.

Not even. You're thinking of "establishment left"

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and i wrote:
bri wrote:
stillsearchingtruth wrote:
Well....I was talking about the people that identify themselves as left wingers but fell silent when Obama used his position to wage wars in spite of him being popular with the would be voter because of his anti war stance.

You're thinking of progressives.

Not even. You're thinking of "establishment left"


Right...or Left? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are the regressive left - usually a bunch of bleeding-heart white-guilt ridden SJWs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
What Is the Left?

Solidarity is about what you do, not who you are.

by R. L. Stephens



Iam Black. I capitalize Black and leave white lowercased. Sure, it’s the accepted spelling, but really I do it because it feels good. My family lived in Missouri, but my mother crossed state lines to birth me in Kansas. Missouri was a slave state. Kansas was free, and she wanted her children born into freedom.

I love being Black, period. I’ve been called a nigger, both online and to my face. Oakland police beat my uncle so badly that he spent decades in a wheelchair. He died in that chair and my family rarely talked about who put him there. I’ve got family in prison and the projects. I spent half my childhood in the hood, a crack house at the end of my block; the other half in the white suburbs where the only time I saw the cops on my block was when a guy got stung by a bee.

Again, I love being Black, the joys and the wounds, I embrace it all. My cultural affinity for Black identity informs my politics, of course, but it doesn’t define them. Nor do I possess a wounded attachment to the marginalization I experience as a result of racism, as We Are The Left would have me do.

WATL claim, “To overturn this hierarchy, it is essential that marginalized people speak to their own concerns, define the agenda, lead movements, and continually complicate the white, male picture of the world with their own perspectives.” They center marginalized identity, which is to traffic in essentialism, as if — to quote Kanye — “all you Blacks want all the same things.”

We must judge a tree by its fruit, but what exactly is the practical effect of this chatter about the primacy of personal identity? Just yesterday, I was distributing anti-Trump leaflets. A woman aggressively shoved the paper back in my hand, saying, “I’m with Trump.” She was Black. She was an immigrant. She spoke in a thick accent as she ranted at me about the evils of homosexuality and abortion. She concluded her diatribe by saying “the liberals take Black people for granted,” and so she would be voting for Trump because “he really gets it.”

Did this marginalized immigrant Black woman’s perspective “complicate the white, male picture of the world” as WATL assume? Their procedural emphasis on speech and voice, without an attendant scrutiny of political substance, makes for the tokenization of marginalized people and not our emancipation. That may work for corporate diversity initiatives, and that’s no compliment.

At one point, the WATL writers imply that it’s whiteness and not capitalism that is the enemy and they flat out mock anyone who would say otherwise. Each year, nearly thirty million low-wage workers suffer billions of dollars of wage theft. It’s true that ethnic and gender minorities as well as women are over-represented among low-wage workers, but it’s also a fact that not all the thieving bosses are white. Wage theft by a Black boss rather than a white one in no way mitigates the loss.

We Are The Left members present themselves as being “the people the Left explicitly stands in solidarity with.” That doesn’t mean much to me. A Latino and an Asian American crafted the Bush torture memos, which were then carried forward by the nation’s first Black president. The diversity at hand makes the waterboarding no less painful for those detained in Guantanamo’s dungeons.

The weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin made a touching “It Gets Better” video featuring its gay employees, but their presence makes Lockheed’s bombs no less deadly. Solidarity is about what you do, not who you are...


Read more here, great article :

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/left-class-racism-identity-struggle-oppression/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More marxists (fact) garbage (opinion) of white this, white that, poor me oppressed in this "white man's world".
I never brought race into the conversation, I was simply saying there was a huge swelling of people anti war prior to Obama getting elected. As soon as they get their guy in though it all dissipates, which goes back to a theme I have raised many times before, you either stand for something and uphold irrespective of the conditions, or you are just a joke of an individual devoid of values only an agenda from which you hide behind a cause.
The regressive left....indeed, just like the regressive right but the reason I raised this topic is because as someone who has always and to my detriment I might add stood up on the side of being anti war it pained me to see what look like a real movement, a real opportunity, just disappear in a puff of smoke.
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