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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:53 am    Post subject: New York Times and a smidgeon of 911 truth Reply with quote

WASHINGTON — Saudi Arabia has told the Obama administration and members of Congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets held by the kingdom if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks … Saudi officials have long denied that the kingdom had any role in the Sept. 11 plot, and the 9/11 Commission found “no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.” But critics have noted that the commission’s narrow wording left open the possibility that less senior officials or parts of the Saudi government could have played a role. Suspicions have lingered, partly because of the conclusions of a 2002 congressional inquiry into the attacks that cited some evidence that Saudi officials living in the United States at the time had a hand in the plot.

Those conclusions, contained in 28 pages of the report, still have not been released publicly.


Been hearing about the "28 pages" for some time but I had no idea there was an actual pending bill. Of course if it passes fat chance it will open that bulging can of worms.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a non starter; a red herring. Saudi Arabia threatens to liquidate its Treasury holdings if Congress probes its role in 9/11 attacks. The head-choppers actual composition of holdings remains a secret, because while the US discloses the explicit Treasury holdings of all other nations, Saudi Arabia's holdings, for some unknown reason, are not officially disclosed. These processes and entities are so criminally corrupt these numbers cannot be trusted and motives are definitely in question. Furthermore; the head-choppers had no involvement in 9/11 and had absolutely nothing to gain. Sure the patsy farm is full of idiotic middle easterners/north Africans - but their images/names are just part of the psy-op. The head-choppers held many of the financial cards then as they do know. The US gov is responsible for 9/11....they directly benefited from this smoke and mirrors show. Which we know it was from Fintan's and others analysis here, and most recently, Aemilius' work.

Saudi Arabia's Secret Holdings of U.S. Debt Are Suddenly a Big Deal
Andrea Wong+Liz McCormick | January 23, 2016 | Bloomberg

It’s a secret of the vast U.S. Treasury market, a holdover from an age of oil shortages and mighty petrodollars: Just how much of America’s debt does Saudi Arabia own?

But now that question -- unanswered since the 1970s, under an unusual blackout by the U.S. Treasury Department -- has come to the fore as Saudi Arabia is pressured by plunging oil prices and costly wars in the Middle East.

In the past year alone, Saudi Arabia burned through about $100 billion of foreign-exchange reserves to plug its biggest budget shortfall in a quarter-century. For the first time, it’s also considering selling a piece of its crown jewel -- state oil company Saudi Aramco. The signs of strain are prompting concern over Saudi Arabia’s outsize position in the world’s largest and most important bond market.

A big risk is that the kingdom is selling some of its Treasury holdings, believed to be among the largest in the world, to raise needed dollars. Or could it be buying, looking for a port in the latest financial storm? As a matter of policy, the Treasury has never disclosed the holdings of Saudi Arabia, long a key ally in the volatile Middle East, and instead groups it with 14 other mostly OPEC nations including Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Nigeria. For more than a hundred other countries, from China to the Vatican, the Treasury provides a detailed breakdown of how much U.S. debt each holds.

“It’s mind-boggling they haven’t undone it,” said Edwin Truman, the former Treasury assistant secretary for international affairs during the late 1990s, and now a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. Because relations were rocky and the U.S. needed their oil, the Treasury “didn’t want to offend OPEC. It’s hard to justify this special treatment for OPEC at this point.”

For its part, the Treasury “aggregates data where more detailed reporting might disclose the positions of individual holders,” spokeswoman Whitney Smith said in an e-mail.

While that position is consistent with the International Investment and Trade in Services Survey Act, which governs disclosures of investments made by foreign persons and governments, and shields individuals in countries where Treasuries are narrowly held, it hasn’t kept the Treasury from disclosing figures for a whole host of other countries -- large and small.

They range from the $3 million stake held by the island nation of the Seychelles, to the $69.7 billion investment from the oil-producing economy of Norway, and those of China and Japan, which are both in excess of $1 trillion.

Representatives for the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency, known as SAMA, and the nation’s finance ministry declined to comment.

Apart from the kingdom itself, only a handful of Treasury officials, and those at the Federal Reserve who compile the data on their behalf, have a clear picture of Saudi Arabia’s U.S. debt holdings and whether they’re rising or falling.

For everyone else, it’s a guessing game.

*This chart makes no sense; look at the players. Something is not right here

The special arrangement, born out of the 1973 oil shock following the Arab embargo, is just one small concession among many that successive U.S. administrations have made over the years to maintain America’s strategic relationship with the Saudi royal family -- and its access to the kingdom’s deep reserves of oil.

The exception extends to 12 other countries in the Treasury’s oil-exporter group, all from the Middle East or Africa. Based on aggregate data released this week, that group has trimmed its stakes by a few billion dollars since March and held $289 billion as of November.

Because its holdings are believed to be the largest, Saudi Arabia’s moves have drawn scrutiny, particularly as other central banks in emerging markets sell Treasuries to raise cash in defense of their currencies. (The Treasury doesn’t break out private and public holdings, but its disclosures say about two-thirds of foreign holdings are held by official institutions such as central banks.)

Those sales have had a small, but visible impact on America’s funding costs. According to Deutsche Bank AG, selling by foreign central banks since March has added 0.3 percentage point to yields on 10-year Treasuries, which ended at 2.05 percent on Friday.

SAMA’s own figures show reserve assets held in foreign securities have fallen by a record $108 billion in 2015. The Saudi central bank, which doesn’t disclose separate figures for Treasuries, owned $423 billion in overseas securities as of November.

“I come down on the side of thinking there should be more transparency,” said Jeff Caughron, chief operating officer at Baker Group, which advises community banks with more than $45 billion in investments. But at the same time, “the Treasury is constrained by political sensitivities and that comes into conflict with market participants that crave more transparency. It’s an understandable conflict.”

And events in recent months, from President Barack Obama’s landmark nuclear deal with Iran to Saudi Arabia’s execution of a prominent Shiite cleric who challenged the royal family, underscore just how sensitive U.S.-Saudi relations have become. The longstanding rationale for the alliance has also been undercut by America’s domestic oil boom, which has made it far less dependent on Saudi exports.

Whatever the political considerations, some analysts speculate Saudi Arabia may actually be trying to hold onto its Treasuries as part of a strategy to bulk up on dollar assets amid the deepening turmoil in global financial markets.

“You need dollars if you’re an oil producer, you want to make sure you have dollars on your balance sheet,” said Sebastien Galy, Deutsche Bank’s director of foreign-exchange strategy, who suggests SAMA could be raising cash by liquidating riskier investments such as stocks, real estate and private equity. Holding dollars also makes sense as a hedge against the plummeting price of oil, which is priced in the U.S. currency.

Figures from SAMA suggest the kingdom might be reallocating some of its reserves into short-term, liquid assets to help the finance ministry meet budget commitments and defend its 30-year-old currency peg of 3.75 riyals to the dollar.

The central bank has increased foreign currencies and deposits held abroad by 7 percent in the first 11 months of 2015, while at the same time reducing foreign securities, consisting of equities and longer-term debt, by 20 percent.

That cash has become key. Oil’s slump past $30 a barrel, from more than $100 two years ago, has eroded the petrodollar-fueled wealth that quadrupled per-capita income since the late 1980s and provided Saudi Arabia with the largess to offer free health care, gasoline subsidies and routine pay raises to its citizens.

“When SAMA is required to raise liquidity for the Ministry of Finance, you’d see deposits and cash go up and they’d liquidate other assets,” said Khalid Alsweilem, SAMA’s former head of investment. “They know when the Ministry of Finance will spend all their riyals. So they prepare certain amount of cash available based on such expectations.”

Alsweilem, who spent two decades at SAMA and now advocates for fiscal reforms as a fellow at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, says market watchers may overestimate how much money the central bank actually allocates to Treasuries.

SAMA isn’t a typical central bank because it acts as a quasi-sovereign wealth fund, he said. As such, it aims for higher returns as a buffer against falling oil revenue and invests in a wide array of risky assets, which explains why it has only recently started to become more transparent, Alsweilem said.

To hear Peterson Institute’s Truman tell it, more clarity by central banks is long overdue -- particularly when it comes to the U.S. Treasury.

“In the old days at the Treasury and central banks, transparency wasn’t the word of the day” and politics made special treatment a non-issue, he said. Now, “it’s simply a legacy issue. You want to deal with it sooner or later.”

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course if it passes fat chance it will open that bulging can of worms.

Fo' sure, dude. Slim to Nil.

The mainstream are milking it good, though:


Naturally, the Saudi's are not amused
at being made into convenient PsyWar pawns:


Saudi Arabia wants US to kill 9/11 bill,
threatens to dump US assets worth $750 bn - report


Truth is, this Saudi-9/11 issue is now
and always was a Diversion PsyOp

From the moment that GHWBush redacted the Saudi pages
from the 9/11 report, it was clear that the Saudis were being
set up as Plausible Perps II for the 9/11 attacks.

Remembering that:

9/11 Attacks Plausible Perps I = Israel/Mossad.
9/11 Attacks Plausible Perps II = Hardcore Saudis.
9/11 Attacks Plausible Perps III = Pak ISI Intel Service Rogue Elements.

The Perp I angle was heavily pushed in alt media/internet after 9/11.
Perp III was routinely floated in mainstream via $100,000 wire to Atta.
Perp II was/is another routine story in mainstream - now going active.

All three are designed to satisfy the suspicions of the
naturally skeptical with these Rent-A-Patsy goons.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh, those mysterious 28 pages

why would a "commission" appointed up by the people who perpetrated 9/11, include information in the report that they didn't want anyone to see? Very Happy
did they forget to read the script?

only to then have to "classify" it to keep it from the public.....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here it is in all its lame-ass glory.
The Officially-Approved 9/11 Cover-Up.

Them damn Saudis, eh?
Them's Wot Dun It!!

Not, the US Power Elite.
Oh, Evil Thought-Crime!


How US covered up Saudi role in 9/11

By Paul Sperry April 17, 2016 | 6:00am

In its report on the still-censored “28 pages” implicating the Saudi government in 9/11, “60 Minutes” last weekend said the Saudi role in the attacks has been “soft-pedaled” to protect America’s delicate alliance with the oil-rich kingdom.

That’s quite an understatement.

Actually, the kingdom’s involvement was deliberately covered up at the highest levels of our government. And the coverup goes beyond locking up 28 pages of the Saudi report in a vault in the US Capitol basement. Investigations were throttled. Co-conspirators were let off the hook.

Case agents I’ve interviewed at the Joint Terrorism Task Forces in Washington and San Diego, the forward operating base for some of the Saudi hijackers, as well as detectives at the Fairfax County (Va.) Police Department who also investigated several 9/11 leads, say virtually every road led back to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, as well as the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles.

Yet time and time again, they were called off from pursuing leads. A common excuse was “diplomatic immunity.”

Those sources say the pages missing from the 9/11 congressional inquiry report — which comprise the entire final chapter dealing with “foreign support for the September 11 hijackers” — details “incontrovertible evidence” gathered from both CIA and FBI case files of official Saudi assistance for at least two of the Saudi hijackers who settled in San Diego.

Some information has leaked from the redacted section, including a flurry of pre-9/11 phone calls between one of the hijackers’ Saudi handlers in San Diego and the Saudi Embassy, and the transfer of some $130,000 from then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar’s family checking account to yet another of the hijackers’ Saudi handlers in San Diego.

An investigator who worked with the JTTF in Washington complained that instead of investigating Bandar, the US government protected him — literally. He said the State Department assigned a security detail to help guard Bandar not only at the embassy, but also at his McLean, Va., mansion.

The source added that the task force wanted to jail a number of embassy employees, “but the embassy complained to the US attorney” and their diplomatic visas were revoked as a compromise.

Former FBI agent John Guandolo, who worked 9/11 and related al Qaeda cases out of the bureau’s Washington field office, says Bandar should have been a key suspect in the 9/11 probe.

The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party,” Guandolo said. “He should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US government knows are currently funding the global jihad.

But Bandar held sway over the FBI.

After he met on Sept. 13, 2001, with President Bush in the White House, where the two old family friends shared cigars on the Truman Balcony, the FBI evacuated dozens of Saudi officials from multiple cities, including at least one Osama bin Laden family member on the terror watch list. Instead of interrogating the Saudis, FBI agents acted as security escorts for them, even though it was known at the time that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

“The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House,” said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House “let them off the hook.”

What’s more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.

“The FBI covered their ears every time we mentioned the Saudis,” said former Fairfax County Police Lt. Roger Kelly. “It was too political to touch.”

Added Kelly, who headed the National Capital Regional Intelligence Center: “You could investigate the Saudis alone, but the Saudis were ‘hands-off.’ ”

Even Anwar al-Awlaki, the hijackers’ spiritual adviser, escaped our grasp. In 2002, the Saudi-sponsored cleric was detained at JFK on passport fraud charges only to be released into the custody of a “Saudi representative.”
It wasn’t until 2011 that Awlaki was brought to justice — by way of a CIA drone strike.

Strangely, “The 9/11 Commission Report,” which followed the congressional inquiry, never cites the catch-and-release of Awlaki, and it mentions Bandar only in passing, his named buried in footnotes.

Two commission lawyers investigating the Saudi support network for the hijackers complained their boss, executive director Philip Zelikow, blocked them from issuing subpoenas and conducting interviews of Saudi suspects.

9/11 Commission member John Lehman was interested in the hijackers’ connections to Bandar, his wife and the Islamic affairs office at the embassy. But every time he tried to get information on that front, he was stonewalled by the White House.

“They were refusing to declassify anything having to do with Saudi Arabia,” Lehman was quoted as saying in the book, “The Commission.

Did the US scuttle the investigation into foreign sponsorship of 9/11 to protect Bandar and other Saudi elite?

“Things that should have been done at the time were not done,” said Rep. Walter Jones, the North Carolina Republican who’s introduced a bill demanding President Obama release the 28 pages. “I’m trying to give you an answer without being too explicit.”

A Saudi reformer with direct knowledge of embassy involvement is more forthcoming.

We made an ally of a regime that helped sponsor the attacks,” said Ali al-Ahmed of the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs. “I mean, let’s face it.

Paul Sperry is a former Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration: How Muslhttp://breakfornews.com/forum/templates/xand/images/editor/icon_quote.gifim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re msm reportage, I'm watching my Bernie Sanders news over at The Young Turks and I adore Cenk's passion. On a recent video he was ranting over the msm's inclusion of the super delegates numbers on Hillary's side when, as Cenk says, they haven't even voted yet. And it made me think how the media ignore 9/11, especially the not whacky facts like the free fall of Building 7 admitted to by NIST. And TYT, while their election news is right on they stay far away from 9/11 truth. So, on one hand, I feel Cenk's pain cringing at the msm's pro-Hillary bias. On the other, fuck him for not getting onto the 911 truth bandwagon.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh - I *hate* the Young Turks - Uygur and Kasparian are practically caricatures of the worst aspects of the "social justice warrior" regressive Left, IMO.

And I lean quite a bit to the (Euro) liberal side....

Cenk's not gonna *touch* 9/11 - he doesn't even aknowledge the Armenian genocide FFS - TYT are the very definition of "gatekeepers" -a "safe pair of hands".

Luckily, more people seem to be seeing through their bullshit who previously considered them a breath of fresh air.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada Judge Rules That Police Entrapped Couple in Bomb Plot

OTTAWA — A Canadian couple who planted what they believed were pressure-cooker bombs outside British Columbia’s legislature in 2013 were freed on Friday after a judge ruled that they had been entrapped by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world ... .html?_r=1

A win for the truthers! Here it is, a Rosetta stone for anyone who denies there are conspiracies, false flag ops and inside jobs.

And in the New York Times again! Too bad they are reporting this as a stand alone incident, not even bothering to bury a lede that says police entrapment has been suspected to be at the bottom of many terrorist attacks not to mention assassinations.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is your broken link Jimbo:

We hear story after story of cops in the US blowing away men, women and pets. I know some of these cops get jail time; but I never hear/read any follow up. From the headlines it appears they just go around blasting without any consequences.

Anyway not about 9/11; but in Canada we also:

Toronto cop sentenced to six years in shooting of teen on streetcar
Paola Loriggio | July 28, 2016 | The Canadian Press

A Toronto police officer who gunned down a troubled teen on an empty streetcar three years ago abused his authority in a way that undermines public trust in law enforcement and the justice system, a judge said Thursday in sentencing him to six years in prison.

In letting loose a second volley of shots on 18-year-old Sammy Yatim, Const. James Forcillo committed an "egregious breach of trust" and his sentence must serve as notice to other police officers that they should open fire "only as a last resort," Justice Edward Then told a Toronto court.

The sentence "should not be taken to reflect adversely on the well-deserved reputation of the Toronto Police Service nor diminish in any way the respect and support individual police officers deserve for the dangerous and important work they do," he said.

"However, when a police officer has committed a serious crime of violence by breaking the law which the officer is sworn to uphold, it is the duty of the court to firmly denounce that conduct in an effort to repair and affirm the trust that must exist between the community and the police to whom we entrust the use of lethal weapons within the limits prescribed by law." *(The same should go for politicians etc...)

Murmurs rippled through the packed courtroom as Then delivered the sentence. The disgraced police officer, wearing a dark suit, stood straight and stone-faced as he was handcuffed.

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