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THE SLOG | An incorrigible Cognitive Dissident
NAILING THE NASTIES BEHIND THE MURDER OF BREXIT

EXPLOSIVE: Olly Robbins, Theresa May,
and the deposing of David Cameron


Date: November 21, 2018 | Author: John Ward

Building more evidence to support the contention that Britain has undergone a Silent Coup, The Slog examines the background to the Robbins/May relationship, their links to the security services, the blatantly sudden removal of David Cameron, and the recruitment of supine media owners to the process of lying about the realities of sabotaging Brexit.

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The profoundly smug face to your left is that of Olly Robbins, the man with sole control over the UK/EU departure accord. You may not be aware of this, but Mr Robbins (apart from being the standard-issue Oxbridge moron) became a card-carrying EU federalist at the remarkably tender age of 19. At Oxford, Robbins was president of the Oxford Reform Club, a group promoting a federal European Union.

That was in 1995. Six years before the euro came into existence, this man was a passionate advocate of Europes nations ceding sovereignty to a centrally organised EU bloc.

And there is more:

In 2010, he became Deputy National Security Advisor responsible for Intelligence, Security and Resilience. In this role, Robbins negotiated with The Guardian on how to curtail its reporting of material leaked by Edward Snowden relating to the operations of the CIA and GCHQ.

In 2015, he began working directly with Theresa May as Home Secretary, when he became Second Permanent secretary there.

While fulfilling this role, he was ordered to leave a meeting of the Home Affairs Select Committee after he was deemed to have given unsatisfactory answers about budgets, and to instead provide answers outside the hearing later the same day, which he did not do.

In September 2017, Robbins moved from the Brexit department to become Prime Minister Theresa Mays personal Brexit advisor.

Its important that everyone reading the above biopic fully understands the nature of this man. He is an EU federalist zealot, a security services censor, and an insolent lite functionary who readily misleads and ignores the democratic process.

The euphemisms National Security Advisor and Second Secretary are terms very familiar to anyone with even the most superficial knowledge of the intelligence services: Olly Robbins is a spook, a spy, and a man dedicated to the aims of a power beyond Britain.

His relationship with Theresa May goes back at least three years. He became Mays personal advisor on Brexit fourteen months ago.

Can anyone explain to me please why, following a referendum decision to leave the European Union, the man chosen for central control over the exit negotiations was a confirmed priest of the diametrically opposed political ideology?



A former Westminster source, meanwhile, has been encouraging me to dig into the how and why of David Camerons strange departure volte-face over two years ago.

On January 5th 2016, Dave said that, if he lost the Referendum vote, he would stay on to see the exit process through. This (my retired source suggests) was his big mistake in the eyes of the Unelected Few.

You will all Im sure recall how Rabid Scameron then emerged from Number Ten on June 24th to say he had lost, the electorates decision must be respected, and he would, um, not be seeing it through after all.

There were no soundings held in the Parliamentary Party about his position. There was no Cameron must go drive, there were no letters to the 1922 Committee. But Cameron resigned. Somehow, Mrs May then became the front-runner but as she was clearly a Remainer Angela Leadsom (an allegedly firm Leaver and darling of the Tory grassroots) emerged as a serious contender.

Here too, the numbers suggested that in a full Party member vote, Leadsom could carry it. A daylight media bombing raid then took place on Leadsoms head. Exit Leadsom, enter Mother Theresa without any leadership contest as the, er, leader.

For the six years previous to this, Theresa May had been Home Secretary, liaising closely with the police (during its period of proven conspiracy with Newscorp to look the other way when required) the security services (a favourite source of blackmail for Tory Whips) and Interpol via which she met regularly with Brussels Eurocrats.

To be honest with you, my now retired mole vastly overrates the level of contacts and energy I have these days. Ten years ago, there were half a dozen scribes in the Fourth Estate I could either have tapped about it or given them the rabbit to chase. But he was right to remind me of the (shall we say?) extremely fortunate sequence of events that saw Capn Theresa of the Mayflower anchored in the port berth known as Number Ten.

Just as Christine LaGarde became the US Alt States gal at the IMF, so too did Mrs Mayormaynot become the UK lites plant in Downing Street. Allegedly.

Can anyone explain to me please how a dyed-in-the-wool Alt State whore and dedicated EU Remainer became Prime Minister alongside federalist zealot Olly Robbins.unless they enjoyed the conspiratorial support of MI5 and devious Whitehall dilution of the Will of the British People?



But it wasnt enough to get the key political Executive and Brexit negotiating power into the hands of confirmed geopoliticists. The final piece in this jigsaw has been the recruitment of British media owners and opinion leaders.

A brief glance at todays main papers and the BBCNews website establishes fairly quickly those news outlets now being told what to write by the State: BBCTass itself of course, the Express (still depicting Mayniac as the Iron Lady) and the Mail, Sun, Metro, Standard & Mirror (all mocking Rees-Moggs Dads Army in a display of synchonised spinning). The Times is predictably one foot in, one out, and the Torygraph remains alone in pointing out Spains appalling hypocrisy in trying to use Scotland as a trade-off for Gibraltar concessions alongside the reality of the pressure on Mrs May to improve the surrender document about to be presented to Parliament.

The Dads Army ridicule displays all the limp imagination one has come to expect from the self-styled lites, ignoring as it does the simple maths of the House of Commons, and the growing econo-fiscal crisis in the EU itself. An attempt is being made voters rally behind May and coup threat abates to suggest that opposition to the deal is a storm in a teacup. This is simply not true.

It is hard to see how 42% of all Brits being opposed to her deal, with only 19% (still falling) in favour of it, represents a reduction in the pressure on the PM: even among Tory activists, only 28% support the deal. And the last poll available showed Labour opening up a 4% lead over the Tories.

But this is the reality of Britains Silent Coup. The Information Democracy has been suspended in favour of Alt State muscle. For now. But at some point there will be a general election. And when that happens, a lot of Conservative MPs will lose their seats thanks to two massive ideological policy blunders: selling out to Brussels, and denying the 2020/Waspi group their rightful pensions.

The vast majority of MPs are by nature venal and self-protective: being unemployable in a proper job, the last thing they want to lose is their employment. It is a myth that 270+ Conservative MPs remain solidly behind Chequers II, and it is ridiculous to suggest that a move to ditch Theresa May has failed before it has even been tested by the voting numbers on the forthcoming Bill itself.

It remains a strong possibility that there are elements within the hobgoblins surrounding the Prime Minister who would love an excuse to restore order if and when things turn violent over this blatant betrayal. Following that, one might as well declare UK liberal democracy dead.

But a growing part of me thinks there wont be any violence: rather, there may well be a growing awareness among MPs from all Parties that what one might call Planned Incompetence by Whitehall will cause a steady drift back into the European Union.

In that scenario, Mays bill will fail, Article 50 time will run out, and at some point there will be a No Deal Departure v Remain general election. That would produce an anarchic bunfight.after which, who knows? The future makes fools of us all.



Doubt my contention that Britain has experienced a silent coup if you wish. Accept it but care not a fig if you wish. I suggest merely that compelling evidence exists pointing to a concerted, unelected and ruthless effort by the various lites in the UK and elsewhere to thwart the desire of a sovereign nations People to be independent on the basis of a referendum decision.

I accuse the security services, Whitehall, the British media and neoliberal interests across the Globe of complicity in a plot to destroy citizen sovereignty. I dont do so lightly, and I didnt start doing so yesterday: since July 2016 I have predicted with near-clinical accuracy what would happen.

The only weapons left to us now are as follows: the blogosphere/open media site internet, and tactical voting by constituency when we are next granted the right to make our feelings count.

The first of these is on the rise, but under a clear gagging threat from the political class. The second is woefully unorganised, and is as ever weakened by ideological differences.

If you yes, you enjoy a good brain, a kind heart, a sound intelligence and a grounded distaste for all things to do with Big Process as the destroyer of free reform, then your hour has now come.

The survival of an independent Britain is the issue of the hour, not Brexit. It has nothing to do with jingoistic patriotism or insular racism from here on. It is quintessentially about the defeat of globalist fascism by those in favour of personal freedom and communitarian innovation: genuine entrepreneurial invention for the fulfilment of the greatest number of responsible citizens.


https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2018/11/21/explosive-olly-robbins-theresa-may-and-the-deposing-of-david-cameron/


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Top 40 Draft Brexit Deal "Horrors"
(courtesy of the Spectator):

    May says her deal means the UK leaves the EU next March. The Withdrawal Agreement makes a mockery of this. All references to Member States and competent authorities of Member Statesshall be read as including the United Kingdom. (Art 6).

    Not quite what most people understand by Brexit. It goes on to spell out that the UK will be in the EU but without any MEPs, a commissioner or ECJ judges. We are effectively a Member State, but we are excused or, more accurately, excluded from attending summits. (Article 7)

    The European Court of Justice is decreed to be our highest court, governing the entire Agreement Art. 4. stipulates that both citizens and resident companies can use it. Art 4.2 orders our courts to recognise this. If the European Commission considers that the United Kingdom has failed to fulfil an obligation under the Treaties or under Part Four of this Agreement before the end of the transition period, the European Commission may, within 4 years after the end of the transition period, bring the matter before the Court of Justice of the European Union. (Art. 87)

    The jurisdiction of the ECJ will last until eight years after the end of the transition period. (Article 158).

    The UK will still be bound by any future changes to EU law in which it will have no say, not to mention having to comply with current law. (Article 6(2))

    Any disputes under the Agreement will be decided by EU law only one of the most dangerous provisions. (Article 168).

    This cuts the UK off from International Law, something wed never do with any foreign body. Arbitration will be governed by the existing procedural rules of the EU law this is not arbitration as we would commonly understand it (i.e. between two independent parties). (Article 174)

    UNDERLINING that this Agreement is founded on an overall balance of benefits, rights and obligations for the Union and the United Kingdom No, it should be based upon the binding legal obligations upon the EU contained within Article 50. It is wrong to suggest otherwise.

    The tampon tax clause: We obey EU laws on VAT, with no chance of losing the tampon tax even if we agree a better deal in December 2020 because we hereby agree to obey other EU VAT rules for **five years** after the transition period. Current EU rules prohibit 0-rated VAT on products (like tampons) that did not have such exemptions before the country joined the EU.

    Several problems with the EUs definitions: Union law is too widely defined and United Kingdom national is defined by the Lisbon Treaty: we should given away our right to define our citizens. The goods and the term services we are promised the deal are not defined or, rather, will be defined however the EU wishes them to be. Thus far, this a non-defined term so far. This agreement fails to define it.

    The Mandelson Pension Clause: The UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here such as Peter Mandelson or Neil Kinnock on their E.U. pensions, or tax any current Brussels bureaucrats on their salaries. The EU and its employees are to be immune to our tax laws. (Article 104)

    Furthermore, the UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals (Art.101)

    The GDPR clause. The General Data Protection Regulation the EUs stupidest law ever? is to be bound into UK law (Articles 71 to 73). There had been an expectation in some quarters that the UK could get out of it.

    The UK establishes a Joint Committee with EU representatives to guarantee the implementation and application of this Agreement. This does not sound like a withdrawal agreement if it was, why would it need to be subject to continued monitoring? (Article 164).

    This Joint Committee will have subcommittees with jurisdiction over: (a) citizens rights; (b) other separation provisions; (c) Ireland/Northern Ireland; (d) Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus; (e) Gibraltar; and (f) financial provisions. (Article 165)

    The Lifetime clause: the agreement will last as long as the countrys youngest baby lives. the persons covered by this Part shall enjoy the rights provided for in the relevant Titles of this Part for their lifetime. (Article 39).

    The UK is shut out of all EU networks and databases for security yet no such provision exists to shut the EU out of ours. (Article 8 )

    The UK will tied to EU foreign policy, bound by the obligations stemming from the international agreements concluded by the Union but unable to influence such decisions. (Article 124)

    All EU citizens must be given permanent right of residence after five years but what counts as residence? This will be decided by the EU, rather than UK rules. (Articles 15-16)

    Britain is granted the power to send a civil servant to Brussels to watch them pass stupid laws which will hurt our economy. (Article 34)

    The UK agrees to spend taxpayers money telling everyone how wonderful the agreement is. (Article 37)

    Art 40 defines Goods. It seems to includes Services and Agriculture. We may come to discover that actually goods means everything.

    Articles 40-49 practically mandate the UKs ongoing membership of the Customs Union in all but name.

    The UK will be charged to receive the data/information we need in order to comply with EU law. (Article 50). The EU will continue to set rules for UK intellectual property law (Article 54 to 61). The UK will effectively be bound by a non-disclosure agreement swearing us to secrecy regarding any EU developments we have paid to be part. This is not mutual. The EU is not bound by such measures. (Article 74)

    The UK is bound by EU rules on procurement rules which effectively forbids us from seeking better deals elsewhere. (Articles 75 to 78 )
    We give up all rights to any data the EU made with our money (Art. 103)
    The EU decide capital projects (too broadly defined) the UK is liable for. (Art. 144)

    The UK is bound by EU state aid laws until future agreement even in the event of an agreement, this must wait four years to be valid. (Article 93 )
    Similar advantages and immunities are extended to all former MEPs and to former EU official more generally. (Articles 106-116)

    The UK is forbidden from revealing anything the EU told us or tells us about the finer points of deal and its operation. (Article 105).

    Any powers the UK parliament might have had to mitigate EU law are officially removed. (Article 128)

    The UK shall be liable for any outstanding commitments after 2022 (Article 142(2) expressly mentions pensions, which gives us an idea as to who probably negotiated this). The amount owed will be calculated by the EU. (Articles 140-142)

    The UK will be liable for future EU lending. As anyone familiar with the EUs financials knows, this is not good. (Article143)

    The UK will remain liable for capital projects approved by the European Investment Bank. (Article 150).

    The UK will remain a party (i.e. cough up money) for the European Development Fund. (Articles 152-154)

    And the EU continues to calculate how much money the UK should pay it. So thank goodness Brussels does not have any accountancy issues.

    The UK will remain bound (i.e coughing up money) to the European Union Emergency Trust Fund which deals with irregular migration (i.e. refugees) and displaced persons heading to Europe. (Article 155)

    The agreement will be policed by the Authority a new UK-based body with powers equivalent to those of the European Commission. (Article 159)

    The EU admits, in Art. 184, that it is in breach of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which oblige it to conclude an agreement of the terms of UK leaving the EU. We must now, it seems, negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship. And if the EU does not? We settle down to this Agreement.

    And, of course, the UK will agree to pay 40bn to receive all of these privileges. (Article 138)

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Theresa May ducks resignation question over fate of Brexit deal
Rolling coverage of the latest political developments as they happen

- Dominic Raab: Theresa Mays deal worse than staying in EU
- Spain accuses UK of treachery over Gibraltar
- Theresa May faces fresh battles to save Brexit strategy
- Key Brexit dates: what happens next?





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Understanding a bit more why the satanists Merkel and Macron are calling for a "European army".

Hopefully CiaNN is the only forum for this piece of shit who just won't go away:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/22/europe/hillary-clinton-migration-europe-intl/index.html


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It's disgusting what the EU, and gutless rats are doing to the UK. They are holding this country to ransom, and making it plain that there is no way anyone leaving the EU will be better off than in it.

It also sends a message to anyone else even daring to think the same. I say everyone even the remainers should get behind leaving and become truly independent.
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skinters
It's disgusting what the EU, and gutless rats are doing to the UK.


A lot more people are seeing through the sick
games played by the globalist elites in Europe.

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BREXIT MEANS FUDGEIT, BREXIT WAS A FAKE

We voted for Brexit and got Andrexit.
Where is the leadership to turn a bogroll into a bugle call?


Date: November 26, 2018 | Author: John Ward

Theres one thing in Mrs Mays Brexit withdrawal agreement were overlooking . It is not the beginning of the end of Britain being bullied by Brussels, its merely the end of the beginning. If Farage et al wait too long before showing up, they will miss the bus.

Pretty much every front page this morning is devoted to Theresa May and her doomed attempt to sell her Brexit. It is, if you like, the beginning of hard sell of an ultra-soft Brexit. The impression being put about is that, come 29th March, well have a deal, and then its all over.

Both beliefs are disastrous on the scale of the asteroid that saw off the dinosaurs.

The biggest single danger facing British independence now is the resistance to EU colonialism sticking to a rigid timetable that has been overtaken by events.

Thus far, the Conservative resistance (whether we like it or not, still by far the most likely to succeed) has been running on a timetable allied to its Party rules about leadership challenges. Equally, the much-vaunted new Party being formed by Nigel Farage seems determined to dot the is and cross the ts of every duck in a row before it launches. Both groups need to wake up: life is what happens to you while youre busy making other plans.

The key thing to remember is this: if via one means or another the May Withdrawal Agreement passes into law, launching an organised opposition to it in March 2019 (the last date mentioned by Farage) is going to be far too late. And even if as I fully expect that capitulation is rejected by Parliament, there is every chance that Rhino-skinned May will not resign, but rather turn to Brussels again for support. This will not be forthcoming, because the Commission sociopaths want an extension to Article 50, the better to both squeeze Britain further, and put off the cutting of money-supply to their busted bank.

It would be in their better interests to make concessions at this point, but Brussels-watchers have learned over the years that these clowns never know what is in anyones interests least of all, their own.

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We learned over the weekend that if the May plan fails in Parliament, Chancellor Philip Hammond will resign and five other Cabinet ministers will follow him. While this is just more bollocks designed to scare Tory waverers into supporting the Withdrawal That Isnt, it should bring home to the thinking Briton how uninterested in our independence and cultural survival the hardline Remainers are. The only upside of their antics is that they may, at long last, destroy the Neoliberal Tory Party forever..assuming the PM doesnt beat them to it.

March 29th can and will only be the end of the matter unless we leave the European Union with no deal. In all other scenarios, the bullying and subterfuge will continue. And the longer it goes on, the harder it will be to unravel.

Theresa May (and her friends in Brussels and NATO) are banking on that reality. Like it or not, the whole nation is suffering from Brexit fatigue: this time, a clock really is ticking probably because Michel Barnier isnt involved.

All this is extremely important, because I do believe now that, penultimately, there are five groups we need to consider: world opinion, the Italians, Tory Remainers, the active British Resistance and the UK electorate as a whole.

Of course May has to be removed, but that wont solve much. If it brings on an election (which it should) then the Leavers HAVE TO BE SEEN TO HAVE WON so that global opinion is clear about what the People think, and the Italian resistors dont feel isolated. This means the structure and influence of the Parliamentary Conservative Party have to be changed, to the extent that Remainers are challenged at constituency level and a credible Sovereign Brexit candidate stands.

Only by forming a united front against Andrex-soft Brexit ( that is, a Sovereign halfway house where its heads they win and tails we lose) can that outcome be achieved. It means a tactical, activist alliance between those who want the Tories out at all costs, and those who want the EU out of our hair at all costs. This will be incredibly difficult to achieve (if it was easy, someone wouldve done it by now) but failing to do it will mean the final frame in the movie called Great Britain.

There is a glaringly urgent need to coordinate a broad spectrum of thinkers who want to see the end of Blairism, the defeat of fluffy EUism, the restructuring of an overwhelmingly neoliberal Tory Party, and the genuine return of power to a Britain going its own way. This will shock some Sloggers, but I am absolutely certain that a great many Corbynites feel this way, as do Centrist Tories and former UKIPpers who deserted Metropolitan pc Labour.along with the 2020/Waspi movement who want a Government of honest decency back in Westminster. Even Diane Abbott said on a radio call-in show last week, We should not have a second referendum, because the voters will say, which bit of Leave did you not understand the first time?'. A lot of people on the Labour Left recognise that EUNATO is for the rich and the military and the repressives, not the poorest and most vulnerable in our society..and avowedly not for Peace on Earth.

The desperate as well as the foolishly smug in society need to be made acutely aware of whats at stake here. This is no longer about soft or hard this, that or the other: it is about the right of national creativity to defeat the crushing process of Might Is Right globalist big business, and reestablish a Rule of Law to defend us from dictatorship.

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In that context, Boris Johnson is making barnstorming speeches to the DUP, giving soundbites to the tabloids and pouring out vitriol in the Telegraph. But he doesnt have a organisation, nor does he stand under a clear banner. He is, at present, nothing more than a disgruntled right-wing Tory with disturbing ties to the City.

Equally, Nigel Farage is mouthing off on radio, and calling for UKIP leader Gerard Batten to be ousted in the light of the Tommy Robinson appointment. Less well known is that he is a vice-Chairman of the organisation Leave means Leave. He too lacks any real infrastructure, and is in danger of turning into a media shock-jock, and apologist for banking greed.

Will they act together? Will they act at all? We need to know. This is one of those rare occasions when late will not be better than never. For late will be far too late.and after that, its regional EU slavery for as long as the Federalist bandwagon still has wheels.




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"The laughter that greeted May at the start, when she said she had been listening carefully to MPs and that there was broad support for most aspects of the deal, was louder and harsher than I can recall for any prime ministerial Common statement of this kind.

" May seems to have very little chance of obtaining any assurances from the EU going much beyond the cosmetic, and it now seems as if she is gambling on the hope that, if she delays the vote until January (or later?), by that stage MPs will be so spooked by the prospect of a no-deal Brexit that they might vote in favour. Its a plan, I suppose, but it smacks of desperation and there is no reason to be confident it will work.


Derision was an appropriate response to the shittiest trade deal
any country ever negotiated. The deal was deliberately designed
to be shitty to try force the UK to reverse and stay in the EU, or
failing that to offer bad terms to put other countries off leaving.

Theresa May is expected to head to Brussels on Tuesday
to meet with EU leaders as she begins a fresh attempt to
secure new concessions.

Good luck with that. The EU say no deal.

The president of the European Council has ruled out
renegotiating Theresa Mays Brexit deal at a scheduled
summit in Brussels later this week.


Anyway if I was them I'd cut May loose and
do any real concessions with her successor.

Meanwhile the clock is ticking -
which is part of the EU/May tactic....

So somebody needs to pop this cherry:

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Nicola Sturgeon has appealed to Jeremy Corbyn "work together" to topple Theresa May's government after a crucial vote on the prime minister's Brexit deal was abandoned, promising the SNP will support a motion of no confidence if it is tabled by Labour.

The Scottish first minister said delaying the vote was "pathetic cowardice" and vowed that her party would stand with Labour if it follows through with its plan to bring down the government with a confidence vote on Tuesday.

Ms Sturgeon posted on Twitter:

"So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition,
lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent
government tomorrow, @theSNP will support &
we can then work together to give people the
chance to stop Brexit in another vote.

"This shambles cant go on - so how about it?"


The Labour leader has not responded to her offer but the first minister's comments will ramp up the pressure on the beleaguered prime minister, as she faces one of the biggest challenges of her premiership.


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So if may cant get the UK a good deal who can?.

Its a fact that the EU wont give us a good deal so whats the chances of anyone getting a better deal.

Meanwhile theres the real fear of a second referendum to vote on what was already voted for to begin with...WE WANT OUT OF THE EU.

To go back on that is a slap in the face for democracy in this country...thats if that even exists anymore.
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So if may cant get the UK a good deal who can?.


The suspicion is that Remainer May wasn't really trying,

No wonder the rest of the EU signed up to the deal quickly,
because it was sweet for them. Tens of billions up front from
the UK and no firm trade deal in place -or mandatory even!?!

The Irish government are globalists and have colluded with the
EU to try make Brexit so unpalatable it will force the UK to stay.

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WE WANT OUT OF THE EU


Damn right!
There's a lot of talk going around about a No Brexit option, but
most of that is the theatrics of politicians playing to the gallery.

The vote to Brexit was irreversible. Period. Wink

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It is sad that people continue to 'elect' politicians who disobey their desires.
Were they expecting to get something for nothing? Bulletin: the government gives you nothing for nothing,in the end you will pay double or triple the price it would cost you to do it yourself.
Same thing in the USA with the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th amendments to the Constitution, none of which are valid(details on request) but nobody has the balls to stand up and challenge it. In my opinion the UK was never really in the EU in the first place (as long as they have the Bank of England) but is merely a sucker paying massive amounts of money and following destructive and insane 'edicts' from the a-holes in Brussels. So why not just go back to the relationships they had in the 1980s? Seems folks did just fine then.
And as far as the pieces of shit traitors at the head of the Irish government, don't get me started on that!
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WE WANT OUT OF THE EU


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Fintan
Damn right!


... yeah, but what about all the good stuff like Free Trade and particularly Freedom of Movement? Jobs? Human Rights? and stuff etc?

,,, and John Ward's "We voted for Brexit and got Andrexit." article is maybe fine and well ... for "ENGLAND" - when he says "Britain" he means "England ... and maybe Wales ...

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... it should bring home to the thinking Briton how uninterested in our independence and cultural survival the hardline Remainers are.


What utter pish! I can assure you that "SCOTLAND" is a very different country with a very different culture.

And another small matter regarding Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP's support for a No-Confidence Vote - She has also told Jeremy Corbyn that if he hasn't got the balls to do it then the SNP WILL call it! ... and then he really will be naked in the spotlight for all to see!

Anyway, the Supreme Court delivers its verdit on the legality of the Scottish Continuity Bill on Thursday ...

... but this is all about #Brexit here, so it's all just popcorn entertainment as far as Scottish Independence is concerned. #IndyRef2 coming to a thread near you just as soon as this circus is played out! Wink
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what about all the good stuff like Free Trade and particularly
Freedom of Movement? Jobs? Human Rights? and stuff etc?


All great ideas which I love to bits.

But I hate the rule by banksters, the total failure of economic growth,
the politically-motivated forced immigration, the destruction of most
regional economies and rural life, the creation of an EU army, the
relentless NATO warmongering.......

And as to the benefits:

Jobs? Shitty slave wages, zero hour and no employment rights

Human Rights? Mostly figments. EU personal human rights bodies are
advisory only -not mandatory on governments and only a tiny few
cases ever make it to EU justice after 15 years or so....

Now, I can see the theoretical attractions of the EU to Scotland.
It bypasses the strangulation of your nation by the Lonodn Mob.

But there is the same danger that the EU will be as bad -or by
dint of distance- even worse than the UK at adhering to the
principle of subsidiarity which the EU fails to respect.

    The general aim of the principle of subsidiarity is to guarantee a degree of independence for a lower authority in relation to a higher body or for a local authority in relation to central government. It therefore involves the sharing of powers between several levels of authority, a principle which forms the institutional basis for federal states.

This ignored EU principle aims to curb centralization of power.

Centralization of power in Brussels.

Is Brussles Banksters Rule the same problem
Scotland now has with London Banksters Rule?

In any event, I think this power divesting principle is coming - and
the London Mob can't escape it whether they are in the EU or Out.

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