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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:49 pm    Post subject: Inside Story: Terror Attack On French Train Reply with quote

Many media sources are mistakenly
repeating the elementary error that:

"Belgian journalist Marin Buxant Tweeted that 'the US Marines' were on
leave in Brussels when they spotted the man and followed him on the train.


The journalist's name is actually Martin Buxant, and
these are his last three tweets in reverse time order of course:

Quote:

There are a number of problems with these reports by Buxant.

- They are being repeated by media outlets as if they are facts.
- Repeated in most cases without mentioning Buxant as source.
- All three tweets contain only unconfirmed single-source claims.


If you visit the discussion of that first tweet about the Marines
following the suspect on to the train, you find that Buxant was
questioned about his "source" for these claims:

Quote:
Eric Husson @ EricHusson Aug 21
@ Le_Bux Can you specify the source? Thank you!

Martin Buxant @ Le_Bux Aug 21
@ EricHusson reliable.

https://twitter.com/Le_Bux/status/634837689687252993

So the veracity of these reports hangs on that
one-word assurance by Martin Buxant: "reliable"

His first tweet was at 6:21 PM - 21 Aug 2015:

Belgium Source: US Marines on leave had spotted the suspect
from the start in Brussels and followed him on the train. #Thalys


His second tweet was 6:25 PM - 21 Aug 2015:

Belgium Source: the Marines have recognized the noise of loading
a weapon and then decided to neutralize the suspect. #Thalys



His third tweet was 6:27 PM - 21 Aug 2015:

Belgium Source: the question of the security of international trains
will be put on the table at the weekend. #Thalys #terrorism


And his political writing has been carried by:

Quote:
Jan 16, 2013 - Martin Buxant writes in The Wall Street Journal Europe that
Belgium's latest Flemish-Walloon political crisis started brewing almost as
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323468604578245410540920442


One of the reasons this is important is that if the
group of Americans did indeed follow the suspect
on to a train, then why did they not immediately
notify train personnel - triggering a security alert?

I am also getting reports that the gun(s) had problems.
Trying to confirm that. Or perhaps some readers can?

Either way, the extending of airport-style security to
encompass all cross-European train travel would be a
PsyOp achievement worthy of professional "handlers".

And so, another Goon bites the dust.

The supply of these Useful Idiots is almost unlimited.

The upside:
a LOT of skepticism in online comments, and
a LOT of awareness of Operation Gladio Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh

As the train passed through Belgium, a French citizen trying to use the toilet encountered and tried to subdue the gunman, who had the assault rifle strapped across his shoulder, Cazeneuve said. Bullets started flying and two American servicemen, with help from an American friend and a Briton, tackled and disarmed him.

The Briton, businessman Chris Norman, said he was working on his computer when he heard a shot and glass breaking and saw a train worker running. The servicemen - U.S. Airman Spencer Stone and Alek Skarlatos, a National Guardsman from Roseburg, Oregon - and their friend, Anthony Sadler, a senior at Sacramento State University in California, heard glass breaking at the same time.

"I knew we had to do something or he was just going to kill people," Skarlatos told Oregon television station KEZI. "I mean he wasn't shooting at the time so I figured it was a good time to do it."


...

"As he was cocking it to shoot it, Alek just yells, `Spencer, go!' And Spencer runs down the aisle," Sadler said. "Spencer makes first contact, he tackles the guy, Alek wrestles the gun away from him, and the gunman pulls out a box cutter and slices Spencer a few times. And the three of us beat him until he was unconscious."

Norman said he was the fourth to jump into the fray, grabbing the gunman's right arm and tying it with his tie.

"He had a Kalashnikov, he had a magazine full .... My thought was, OK, probably I'm going to die anyway. So, let's go," he said. "I'd rather die being active."

Video showed a blood-spattered scene on the train, with the gunman prostrate and shirtless, his hands tied behind his back. Authorities said that in addition to the guns, he had nine loaded magazines for the Kalashnikov. Skarlatos, who served in Afghanistan, said that when he examined the assault rifle, he found that the gunman had tried to fire it but that it didn't go off because it had a bad primer.


Dude was walking with his AK47 and a pistol; no wait, So someone hears a shot, no; bullets started flying and glass break; no I mean he wasn't shooting at the time; well, no but wait, he was cocking it to shoot it; then we beat him senseless; that's when he got me with his Jihadist issued box-cutter. Oh maybe he did fire because an operative is in hospital and not expected to make it.

But our hero Skarlatos says dude didn't fire because his ammo had a bad primer? Dude has an AK47 or some variation of it...full magazine...and more to load....AK47's will eat anything and fire it down the pipe.

Huh

http://www.infopig.com/keywords/France.html

These Muslim boogeyman stories are getting so lame.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Right on!

So, the AK had "Bad Primer"? Eh??

Was that a Filed Down Firing Pin kind of Bad Primer, mebbe?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok - here it is from the NY Times
(the paper of record, ahem)

NEITHER GUN WAS WORKING RIGHT!
ONLY ONE SHOT WAS FIRED!


Quote:
Mr. Skarlatos, the AK-47 in hand, began to patrol the carriages, looking for other gunmen. He made a series of startling discoveries: The suspect’s guns had malfunctioned, and he had not had the competence to fix them.

“He had pulled the trigger on the AK. The primer was just faulty, so the gun didn’t go off, luckily,” Mr. Skarlatos said. “And he didn’t know how to fix it, which is also very lucky.”

In addition, the gunman had not been able to load his own handgun:

“There was no magazine in it, so he either dropped it accidentally or didn’t load it properly, so he was only able to get what appeared to be one shot off,” Mr. Skarlatos said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/world/europe/americans-recount-gunmans-attack-on-train-to-france.html?_r=1

That's pretty definitive,isn't it?

The AK was busted and the handgun had no ammunition magazine.

Only one shot could have been fired:

The single round already loaded in the handgun chamber.

The NY Times article has those damning details buried down
the page at the very end of the report on the train attack.

BUT the VERY SAME NY Times article BEGINS like this:

Quote:
...A French passenger got up from his seat to use the
toilets at the back of the carriage. Suddenly, in front of him rose a slightly
built man. Across the man’s chest, in a sling, was an automatic rifle of the
kind favored by jihadists the world over: an AK-47.

The passenger threw himself on the man. The gun went off, once, twice,
several times.
Glass shattered. A bullet hit a passenger.

The man with the gun kept going down the carriage, holding his AK-47 and
a Luger
pistol. In a pocket was a sharp blade capable of inflicting grievous
harm.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/world/europe/americans-recount-gunmans-attack-on-train-to-france.html?_r=1


Several shots, eh? But later in the article it
admits only one shot could have been fired.

But hey, let's don't let mere facts
get in the way of the terror hype!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



This is Mark Moogalian, whom the media call
the "Mystery Man" who tackled the shooter.


All the focus has deliberately been on the four who took down the suspect,
Spencer Stone, Anthony Sadler, Alek Skarlatos, and Chris Norman.

But they weren't the first to tackle him!

Quote:
A French-American professor who was hailed by President Francois
Hollande for his "courage" was shot while trying to to disarm a gunman
wielding an AK-47 aboard a high-speed train, according to his wife.



Mark Moogalian, who is reportedly a 51-year-old academic originally from Midlothian, Virginia, spotted a suspicious passenger while traveling on the Amsterdam to Paris train Friday.

"My husband told me that he had seen someone strange because he had entered the toilets with his suitcase and it lasted a long time," Moogalian's wife Isabelle told Europe1 radio Monday. "A little while later the guy came out and that's when he saw that the guy was carrying a gun."

Mark Moogalian told his wife to "go" and then "rushed towards the gunman to remove ... the Kalashnikov."

She added: "I did not see my husband get shot, it happened too quickly and I was pretty much hiding behind seats. But I look at my husband through the seats at an angle and he looked straight at me and said, 'I'm hit!' ... There was blood everywhere. I ran towards him and I could see that he a wound on his back, I then saw another wound by his neck."

Isabelle Moogalian recounted racing through the train searching for
a doctor, screaming: "Help me! Help me!"

In the next carriage, she found three vacationing Americans and
a British businessman who were subduing the gunman
.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-professor-mark-moogalian-rushed-train-gunman-was-shot-n414786

The two visible wounds sustained by Moogalian came from
the entry and exit of the single bullet in the Luger chamber.
It was the first and last bullet the suspect COULD have fired.

But even Moogalian wasn't the first to tackle the suspect:

Quote:
Isabelle Moogalian, who was also aboard the train,
said her husband spotted the gunman "being grabbed
from behind by a different person" — thought to be a
29-year-old French banker
who has chosen to stay anonymous.


This is the REAL Mystery Man
of the whole incident.


A mystery - because he wants to stay anomymous:

Quote:


Damien A., a 28-year-old banker from France, was the first person
to encounter the gunman, The Telegraph reported.


He has requested to media that he remain anonymous.

Damien entered the bathroom on the Thalys train when he saw the gunman,
Ayoub El-Khazzani, armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle and wearing a
cartridge belt.

He was terrified, but threw himself at the gunman and tried to wrestle
the rifle away from him. He lost balance and fell to the ground, and the
gunman fled from him.

Train staff saw the commotion and thought it was just a brawl between
the two men, according to The Telegraph.

source



So the official sequence is:

1) Damien A. tries to get the Kalashnikov.
He falls down - No shot fired.

2) Mark Moogalian tries to get the Kalashnikov.
Suspect draws the Luger - fires one shot into Moogalian.

3 ) In the next carriage the four "heros" tackle the suspect.
Suspect pulls out the box-cutter - injuring Stone.

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