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James D



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful with the "Centrist Liberals" Ciudadanos - they are actually ultra-right wing, literally the heirs of Franco! Shocked

And let's hope that PP and PSOE don't do the nightmare scenario of forming a Grand Coalition!! Shocked Shocked

However Podemos is the big winner.

PP - 122, PSOE - 91, POD - 69, C's - 40, out of 350

4 parties needed for a majority!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And let's hope that PP and PSOE don't do the
nightmare scenario of forming a Grand Coalition!!

Well, that would be a nightmare which could turn into a dream!

The establishment are well aware that PP and PSOE would
go down together heavily at the next possible election. Wink

And yes, Ciudadanos are what they are.

But as part of a coalition, they haven't enough
seats to be wagging the Socialist/Podemos dog.

So maybe those three can hammer a
pragmatic deal in their mutual interest.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That "Grand Coalition" is looking more and more likely! Shocked

The newspapers are screaming for it - the markets are screaming for it - and above all - the incumbent right-wing establishment are screaming for it!

Why?

Because Podemos have insisted on a Referendum for Catalonia as a basis for forming part of any government!

I mean, God! - the democratic cheek of them!



Which "They" fear might lead to the inevitable breakup of the "indivisible" Spain - and the loss of all "Their" cash cows. Wink

Quote:
What Just happened in Spain?
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/12/22/what-just-happened-in-spain/

The Spanish General Elections results of 20th December 2015 have thrown up a fragmented political map in Spain as multi-coloured as a paella valenciana with no single party – or even the likelihood of straightforward two party coalition – able to form a government in the wake of Sunday’s vote.



Although the incumbent conservative Partido Popular (PP) won most votes and 123 seats in the Spanish Congress – favoured by an unfair electoral system which has always benefited the two main parties – the irruption of Podemos with 69 seats onto the Spanish national political scene, led by former academic Pablo Iglesias and his team, is the real story of last weekend, and has thrown the cat among the pigeons among the Spanish establishment, opening the door for change in Spain.

Today, Tuesday the 22nd of December, Spanish newspaper reports suggest that Rajoy’s PP are currently trying to form a government with the PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Espanol), which won 90 setas, and Ciudadanos,the new populist force from the right, which won just 40. But for the PSOE to agree to back a Rajoy led government would be electoral suicide and merely confirm the theory held by so many since 15-M took off in Madrid in May 2011 that there is little or difference between the two main parties – which is why they are collectively referred to by some as the PPSOE – and that indeed just as the crowds chanted all over Spain back at the time, “they do not represent us”.
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As the PP and the PSOE – who share a common history of numerous corruption scandals and an intransigence to even contemplate a possible Catalan independence referendum, which 80% of Catalans support according to recent polls – seek to orientate themselves in this new political landscape, a rerun of the General Elections may be what suits Podemos and Iglesias best.

Writing in The New Left Review back in May this year, Iglesias stated:

“Our vital goal this year is to overtake PSOE—an essential pre-condition for political change in Spain, even if we don’t manage to outstrip the PP. The hypothesis of the Socialists undertaking a 180-degree turn and rejecting austerity policies, so that we could reach an understanding with them, will only come into play if we effectively outdo them. At that stage, PSOE will either accept the leadership of Podemos or commit political suicide by submitting to that of the PP”.

While Podemos did not quite overtake the PSOE, they came close enough and got stronger the more the campaign went on. Whatever the outcome of the coalition talks, it’s game on for Podemos and it’s game on for a new style of politics from the European Left.



https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/what-i-learned-from-podemos-bdb7245d2cbf#.jq6sqmvmi

Meanwhile the Anti-Christ slithered from under a stone! -

Quote:
https://www.thespainreport.com/articles/541-151221201534-rajoy-to-begin-talks-to-form-stable-government-says-pp-will-hold-leadership-conference

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He also confirmed José María Aznar, who is still the honorary party chairman and arrived unexpectedly at the national executive committee meeting, had called for the PP to hold a party conference and leadership contest.
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Shocked


Feliz Navidad!
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