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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not Google confirmation bias, more so the cycle of politicians being built up, politicians being championed, said supporters attacking and lambasting doubters and yet ultimately those said politicians betraying every promise made to them and becoming simply am extension of the establishment which was previously holding power.
As for the question of why didn't 2008 lead immediately to this, well, that in my opinion is down to wanted to execute a reforming in a way which is incremental. The public had it's first taste of bank thefts with Cyprus, that trial balloon led to a shrug of the shoulders then has arrived the demolition of Greece, but oh Greece was profligate and it's welfare system was too bloated etc and sure, there may be opportunists who took advantage of the situation but hey that doesn't affect me.
Until suddenly you have a snowballing effect in which you have to seek a radical solution. A solution which the public will accept because of their own plight.
The reason why 2008 didn't lead to an immediate ceding of sovereignty is because it would have been too quick, too overwhelming too radical and was a banking crisis caused by the banks and continued by the banks. It would not have been viable to sell it the public that a dissolution, an immediate one was the answer. So instead we have this drip drip, slowly but surely the heat is being turned up and we will soon see how receptive people are to a new radical restructure. This propaganda has been hitting the mainstream readers pages now for quite some time and so it's part of a conditioning approach.
As for all doomed, well anyone who puts any faith in these people is beholden to these people and the backroom deals they make and the said party's individual ego, greed, inner beliefs, temptations, not to mention of course the propensity for rampant corruption whilst maintaining a certain public image.
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Fintan: What was hidden from view has been displayed for all to see.

Robert:
Interesting that we're seeing Pluto close up for the first time in human
history in the same moment.

Very . Interesting. Wink


Unless you are closely following European public opinion
you may not realize just how much damage the German
Fascists and their Bankster collaborators have just done
to their own neoliberal ideology.


Their "We are all Europeans" meme - masked its true
nature behind a liberating ethos for all Europeans.

What they just did in the teeth of the Greek democratic
will in protest - has their thin philosophy now in shreds.

The following article was just published the mainstream
Irish Times - by one of their regular center-left columnists.

With these views in the mainstream, the
NWO's EU Superstate project is history:




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WE ARE NOW IN A NEW EU

July 14, 2015Published in GREECE/EUROPE by Fintan O'Toole

What’s the difference between the Mafia and the current European
leadership? The Mafia makes you an offer you can’t refuse. The leaders
of the European Union offer you a deal you can neither refuse nor accept
without destroying yourself.

The European Union as we have known it ended over the weekend. That
EU project was all about the gradual convergence of equal nations into an
“ever closer union”. That’s finished now.


The whole notion was underpinned by three conditions. One was that the
process of European integration was consensual – each member state
would pool more and more of its sovereignty because it freely chose to do
so. The second was that these incremental steps were, to use the terms
applied to monetary union in the Maastricht treaty, “irreversible” and
“irrevocable” – once they were taken, there could be no going back.

The third, unspoken but completely understood, was that Germany would
restrain itself
, accepting, in return for the immense gift of a new beginning
that its fellow European countries had given it, that it must refrain from
ever trying to be top dog again
.

Each of these fundamental conditions was torched over the weekend.


‘Mental waterboarding’

Firstly, Greece’s sovereignty is no longer pooled – it has been surrendered
after what EU officials gleefully called “mental waterboarding”.

By closing the Greek banks, threatening Greek voters and countering
the Greek government’s surrender with terms designed to be utterly
humiliating, the EU and euro zone leadership finished off the notion of
consent. All the waffle about solidarity and respect has been exploded
and we are left with an EU based on six little letters: or else.

A new idea has been shoved into the foundations of the EU – the idea that
a member state can and will be brought to heel. And brought to heel, not
quietly or subtly, but openly and ritually in a Theatre of Cruelty designed
for that sole purpose.

The whole idea of making flagrantly provocative demands – the initial
insistence that €50 billion of Greek public assets be placed in a fund in
Luxembourg being the most spectacular – was to demonstrate, not just to
Greece but to all member states, that the EU is now a coercive institution
.

And as a coercive institution it has moved into a state of profound division.
There is no deeper divide than that between those who are punished and
those who do the punishing, between those who are brought to heel and
those who shout “Heel!”

Revenge-fuelled madness

As if this seismic shift were not enough in itself, the euro zone leaders
managed at the same moment to destroy the second underlying
assumption of the European project. In a mood of revenge-fuelled
madness, they formally put on the table Wolfgang Schäuble’s pet
formulation of a “temporary” Greek exit from the euro, thus casually
tearing up the Maastricht treaty
.

In the long term it matters less that this threat was not carried out than
that it was made and deemed acceptable. Once that happened, all the
irreversibles of the European project became reversible; all the
irrevocables became revocable
.

From here on, every step the EU takes is contingent and provisional.
Angela Merkel boasted that Plan B proved unnecessary – but now every
European Plan A has an implied Plan B. The official EU has become the
provisional EU.

German restraint

The third condition was Germany’s self-restraint. In 2012, the former
German chancellor Helmut Schmidt warned that the EU would be “crippled”
if “we Germans allow ourselves to be seduced into claiming a political
leading role in Europe or at least playing first among equals”.

Many of Germany’s leading thinkers, from Günter Grass to Jürgen
Habermas, have issued similar warnings. It is not accidental that these
warnings came from men old enough to remember Nazism and their
country’s physical and moral post-war devastation.


The generation now in power in Germany seems to have forgotten
everything.
It is now not even a case of being “first among equals” –
Germany is first in a new Europe of unequals.

And all for what? Why has the European Union been so radically redefined?
Not for the sake of the Greek people, of course. No sane person believes
that austerity and asset-stripping are the recipe for Greek recovery.

For international financial discipline, then, to prove that all debts must
be paid? Hardly – consider that in March the IMF, with almost no fuss,
announced a financial package for a European country that is far more
corrupt, unstable and oligarchic than Greece.

Ukraine write-offs

Ukraine got €36.1 billion in assistance from the IMF, including write-offs of
previous IMF loans worth between €13.5 billion and €18 billion. There is
little chance of any of this money ever being paid back. And yet Angela
Merkel and the other EU hardliners had no problem with any of this.Why?


It’s the politics stupid. Pouring money into corrupt and oligarchic Ukraine
was about sending a political message. And tormenting Greece is also
about sending a political message.

The message is that we are in a new EU now, one that has a dominant
power at its centre and a single acceptable ideology.
Those who founded
it believed that such a union could not survive. The current leadership
apparently knows better.


First published on "The Irish Times", 14.7.2015



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Germans Protest In 14 Cities
Against Merkel’s Stance On Greece


2015-07-18 at 8.52.13 AM

By Gregory Pappas, www.pappaspost.com July 18th, 2015

Germans, angry at their government’s handling of Greek debt negotiations
and what they perceive to be unfair treatment against Greece, have
organized demonstrations in 14 German cities, including a large one
outside the German finance ministry in Berlin— seat of Dr. Wolgang
Schauble.


Protesters have vowed to continue demonstrations, with protests set to take place outside the German Parliament and again at the finance ministry in Berlin every Wednesday, aiming to share their opposition to their government’s treatment of Greece.


“I’m furious with these criminals,” a Greek teacher who has lived in
Germany all her life told the Guardian. “I don’t want my taxes
supporting this criminal coup.”


Hannah Eberle, spokeswoman for the movement organizing the protests
in Germany, told Newsweek in an interviewthat Merkel’s government’s
behavior has been undemocratic and aggressive. She says the protests
aim to show Greece and the rest of Europe that there is another
sympathetic side to Germany.





While the demonstrations are vocal, their opinion is still the minority view
in Germany, as polls show that the majority of Germans agree with Angela
Merkel’s tough stance.

“Many Germans feel ashamed by what the German government is doing
at the moment,” Eberle says, adding “we want everybody to see the other
face of Europe. A face of solidarity.”

Eberle says she expects numbers of protesters on Friday to be in the
thousands and that peaceful protests are set to continue for the
foreseeable future.

One protester, 21-year-old Simon Weppel, an archaeology student at the
Free University in Berlin, said: “The way that Merkel’s government dealt
with the crisis in Greece is a brief glimpse into the future of EU politics.”

Sovereign countries’ policies will continue to be dictated by the
disciplinarian, quasi-fascist German state – something that has to be
opposed at all costs. We have seen the results of unrestricted German
hegemony
,” he says.


People frustrated with the treatment of Greece by eurozone leaders have
also taken to social media to protest the measures from across Europe.





https://www.popularresistance.org/germans-protest-in-14-cities-against-merkels-stance-on-greece/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the best movies on the Greek shakedown
and the neoliberal economics and banking system
which now holds power, comes from the German
journalist and author Harald Schumann.

( View at 43:40 for an exquisite nailing of bankster bullshit. Laughing )

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The Troika - Power Without Oversight

Published on 6 Jul 2015

What is happening in Europe in the name of the troika? A must-see
for anyone who wants to understand the situation in Greece.


The European Union and International Monetary Fund have lent more than
400 billion Euros to Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Cyprus to keep these
countries solvent. The lenders granted enormous power to the three
institutions of the so called troika: the IMF, the European Central Bank
and the European Commission.

Without any public accountability, the troika is forcing the crisis states to
implement policies that are tearing the social fabric of their countries apart.

German journalist and best-selling author Harald Schumann traveled to
Athens, Lisbon, Dublin, Nicosia, Brussels, Washington, New York and
London, in order to find out who has actually benefited from austerity
measures.


He puts this question to ministers, parliamentarians, economists, bankers,
doctors and also to the victims of these policies, the unemployed and the
ill. Among the many people we meet are Nobel Prize winner Paul
Krugman
, IMF Director Paulo Batista and Yanis Varoufakis, the newly
elected Greek finance minister.

Schumann’s revelations are often devastating and shocking. Given the
negotiations currently taking place between the newly elected Greek
government and their European partners, this film is of great political
and economic relevance.

Film by Harald Schumann, Árpád Bondy
Co-Production Árpád Bondy Filmproduktion with RBB/ARTE, 2015


Behind the above movie are detailed interviews
with key financial analysts and commentators.

One of these interviewed is Yanis Varoufakis
- before he became Greek finance minister. Top class.

More interviews at Harald Schumann's YouTube chanel.

( View at 10:10 for an explanation of the
'beautiful conundrum' in modern finance Wink
Or at 47 minutes for the power dynamics of the EU )

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On the Trail of the Troika -
Talking to Yanis Varoufakis.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Hate to puncture the balloon - but if the whole financial crisis
was simply an NWO deal to engineer World Banking Order....

Then why wasn't the G20 used to usher in that era
at the height of the financial crisis in 2008-2009 ??

The perfect opportunity was missed because the NWO is NOT in control
of events, while it's neoliberal eCONomics limps on - mortally wounded.

etc.



I'm having a déjà vu here; didn't we have this discussion before on this forum? Sure we did, in November of 2014 on another thread called The invisible revolution;

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6949&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=nwo+kissinger+order&start=144

It seems that we're running around in circles here, but essentially this is what it boils down to. My interpretation is that Fintan is of the opinion that the NWO is orchestrated out of the West, with Washington DC and NYC as its HQ. Supposedly they have one ideology, neo-liberalism which according to him is currently limping on its last legs. Hint; do you think the elite is not aware of this little fact; they're the ones that have been behind this the whole time. They will use a country like the US of A until it has given them what they needed; then they'll throw it under the bus if this is necessary to further their agenda.

So I beg to differ as I think things are a little more complex than that; the elite behind the so-called NWO (for lack of a better term) has no national allegiances nor any political system they adhere to or prefer as long as the system in place benefits them. They were very happy to finance National-Socialism or Communism when this suited them. Furthermore, it is a fact that they finance both sides during any war, as this is a virtual guarantee that they'll win every time. As far as the NWO goes, no NWO without China. That's why the Chinese leadership had to be lured to go along with it, of which Kissinger's and Rockefeller's visits to China in the 1970's are proof.

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7226&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12

The NWO of the elite is not a geopolitical entity that has the entire world subdued from one country. Rather, it is a multi-polar world as described in Kisinger's latest book aptly called "World Order" where no one country dominates the rest of the world. On the contrary, the dominating will be done through institutions like the UN and the BIS/IMF, to which countries have to give up more and more of their sovereignty. All of this of course in the people's best interest, you know, better to be ruled by these competent technocrats rather than by these lousy politicians.

For those who believe the BRICS are going to save them, just look at the political system in China; nothing to look forward to as far as I'm concerned. And how exactly is the present situation in Greece an improvement for the common folks there or here? Once again, the banks have dictated the terms for this "deal", which are even worse than before. Of the 7.2 billion EUR Greece has received as a bridge loan, roughly 6.8 billion is used to repay outstandig debts to the IMF and the ECB.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greece-repays-68-billion-to-creditors-using-bridge-loan-reports-2015-07-20

Anyway, if you want to get an idea of what they're planning for the rest of Europe, just take a good look at Greece, because that's exactly what they have in mind for the rest of us.

Not only are these creeps still firmly in control and do they know exactly what they're doing, they managed to convince some of us that the people are somehow winning. Well, if this is winning, I don't want to know what loosing would look like. These people are masters of deception and through their ownership of the MSM and most of the alternative media know how to spin everything....

EU, UN, IMF, BIS, NSA, CIA, FBI, NWO, DEA, DOJ, DHS, DOD, G-20, TTIP, TISA, TTP, CDC, WTO, BRICS, it's all bullshit folks and it's bad for ya....
(paraphrasing George Carlin)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plato wrote:


The NWO ... is a multi-polar world as described in Kisinger's latest book aptly called "World Order" where no one country dominates the rest of the world. On the contrary, the dominating will be done through institutions like the UN and the BIS/IMF, to which countries have to give up more and more of their sovereignty.


Really, is that what Kissinger said? Maybe the first part is true, that Kissinger said the "World Order" is where no one country will dominate but then I don't think he rubbed his hands together and with fire in his eyes and a voice full of reverb and evil joviality said, "Because from now on we will do the dominating."
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Heinz Kissinger should have been charged with war crimes and treason long ago. Then after being found guilty under a mountain of evidence, quickly executed (if that was the sentence) or in prison for life for his heinous crimes. People should not be reading anything from this monster - let alone quoting this scumbag.

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In April 1946, Kissinger started teaching at a school for intelligence agents. During this period he was recruited as a Soviet agent by the KGB, under the codename Bor (Gary Allen, Kissinger: The Secret Side of the Secretary of State. Seal Beach, California, 1976, p. 18 ).

Kissinger was the architect behind the Christmas bombings of Hanoi and Hai-Phong in 1972. He became secretary of state under President Gerald Ford in 1973. According to Wall Street Journal, Kissinger helped Peter Wallenberg in Sweden illegally to export high technology to the communist Eastern Europe.

It was Henry Kissinger who was behind the oil crisis of 1973-1974, and he pushed through his plans at a secret meeting in Stockholm, Sheik Yamani, a former minister for oil of Saudi Arabia revealed in The Observer on 14 January 2001. Kissinger organized a quadrupling of the oil price in November 1973. The meeting Sheik Yamani referred to was the Bilderberg convention in the vicinity of Stockholm in May 1973. This was confirmed in William Engdahl’s book A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order (1993).

In the early 1960s a defected communist agent exposed Kissinger as a Soviet spy, codename Bor.

Colonel Michal Goleniewski of the Polish intelligence service had sent a letter under the alias Sniper in March 1959 to the United , States ambassador to Switzerland, and revealed secret information leading to the arrest of SIS officers George Blake and Gordon Lonsdale in England. Both were tried and sentenced as Soviet agents. During Christmas of 1960 Sniper himself defected. He was a relatively high-ranking KGB officer, who exposed many Soviet agents in Great Britain. The information was verified and the spies were arrested. A little later Goleniewski turned over a list of Soviet agents in Sweden, which Swedish intelligence could verify. The Swedish socialist government, however, did not allow the arrest of any Soviet agents, except for one dangerous traitor, called Stig Wennerstrom.

Next in turn were West Germany, Denmark, and France. Again all the information turned out to be correct and Soviet agents were caught. A total of 5000 pages of top-secret material were delivered by Goleniewski, plus 800 pages of Soviet intelligence reports and 160 microfilms. All information was correct.

On 12 January 1961, Goleniewski arrived in the United States. He had extremely important information about a spy at high level and demanded to see President Kennedy, which was denied. Instead he saw the head of the CIA and revealed who the secret Soviet agent was — Harvard professor and national security adviser Henry Kissinger.

The CIA reacted instantly — Goleniewski received 50 000 dollars to keep quiet and was henceforth expelled. Kissinger was such a powerful member of B’nai B’rith that they no longer could touch him. He was allowed to carry on with his harmful activities.

Kissinger had sent all of the most secret information directly to the Soviet Union. This was, however, leaked from CIA and got to the right-wing press. The American Opinion exposed Kissinger secret activities in April 1975 (p. 35) and in March 1976. All this was verified by the historian Ladislav Bitman in his book KGB: Soviet Misinformation (New York, 1985, pp. 54-55).

The Soviet agent Victor Louis openly visited Henry Kissinger in the White House on 13 November 1971 (John Barron, KGB. Tel Aviv, 1978, p. 230).


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Johnson had it all but wrapped it. With a combination of gentle and iron-fisted persuasion, he forced the leaders of South Vietnam into an all-but-final agreement with the North. A cease-fire was imminent, and Humphrey’s election seemed assured.

But at the last minute, the South Vietnamese pulled out. LBJ suspected Nixon had intervened to stop them from signing a peace treaty.

In the Price of Power (1983), Seymour Hersh revealed Henry Kissinger—then Johnson’s adviser on Vietnam peace talks—secretly alerted Nixon’s staff that a truce was imminent.

According to Hersh, Nixon “was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government [of South Vietnam] making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on peace negotiations.”

Johnson was livid. He even called the Republican Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen, to complain that “they oughtn’t be doing this. This is treason.”

“I know,” was Dirksen’s feeble reply.

Johnson blasted Nixon about this on November 3rd, just prior to the election. As Robert Parry of Consortiumnews.com has written: “when Johnson confronted Nixon with evidence of the peace-talk sabotage, Nixon insisted on his innocence but acknowledged that he knew what was at stake.”

Said Nixon: “My, I would never do anything to encourage….Saigon not to come to the table….Good God, we’ve got to get them to Paris or you can’t have peace.”

But South Vietnamese President General Theiu—a notorious drug and gun runner—did boycott Johnson’s Paris peace talks. With the war still raging, Nixon claimed a narrow victory over Humphrey. He then made Kissinger his own national security adviser.

In the four years between the sabotage and what Kissinger termed “peace at hand” just prior to the 1972 election, more than 20,000 US troops died in Vietnam. More than 100,000 were wounded. More than a million Vietnamese were killed.

But in 1973, Kissinger was given the Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating the same settlement he helped sabotage in 1968.

Henry Kissinger wormed his way into Richard Nixon’s 1968 presidential campaign by volunteering to act as the Republican’s mole at the Paris peace negotiations to end the Vietnam War. Kissinger’s betrayal of President Johnson’s trust helped secure the election for Nixon and resulted in the war dragging on to its ignominious end in 1975.

The traitor question at the heart of the debate over the behavior of today’s top leaker of classified data—NSA contractor Edward Snowden—could, justifiably, also be asked about the clandestine1968 activities of Harvard professor Henry Kissinger.

The politically ambitious Kissinger—a protégé of New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller—was then a trusted advisor to Democratic President Lyndon Johnson at the critical Vietnam peace negotiations in Paris. But the brilliant foreign policy expert actually had dual loyalties in that sensitive mission: He also served as a mole for Republican presidential nominee Richard Nixon.

From Paris, Kissinger regularly fed highly classified intelligence on the talks to Nixon, who used it in back-channel communications with South Vietnam’s President Nguyen Van Thieu to prevent any pre-election progress toward peace by the Democrats.

A circumspect spy, the Harvard professor always used pay phones and spoke exclusively in German to his young Nixon campaign contact, Richard Allen (who spoke that language even better than the German-born Kissinger). Allen recalls that Kissinger “offloaded almost every night what had happened that day in Paris.”

These leaks of top-secret information were of immense assistance to Richard Nixon. The paranoid GOP contender was eager to use any and all means—including Kissinger’s furtive reports and advice—to keep LBJ from pulling an “October Surprise” that could end the increasingly unpopular fighting on the faraway battlefields. (A half-million U.S. troops were on the ground in South Vietnam; and the war was going poorly.)


Treason! War Crimes! Benedict Arnold!

I agree with Plato here - bang on!

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Not only are these creeps still firmly in control and do they know exactly what they're doing, they managed to convince some of us that the people are somehow winning. Well, if this is winning, I don't want to know what loosing (sic) would look like. These people are masters of deception and through their ownership of the MSM and most of the alternative media know how to spin everything....


"You know, they’re schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I’m not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are."

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimbo wrote:
Plato wrote:


The NWO ... is a multi-polar world as described in Kisinger's latest book aptly called "World Order" where no one country dominates the rest of the world. On the contrary, the dominating will be done through institutions like the UN and the BIS/IMF, to which countries have to give up more and more of their sovereignty.


Really, is that what Kissinger said? Maybe the first part is true, that Kissinger said the "World Order" is where no one country will dominate but then I don't think he rubbed his hands together and with fire in his eyes and a voice full of reverb and evil joviality said, "Because from now on we will do the dominating."


Umm, some of the juiciest bits are usually said behind closed doors, no need to upset the sheeple too much too soon. Obviously, you want the peasants to beg for the UN and other international agencies to come in and give them "aid", like eg water, after their groundwater has been contaminated by fracking;

“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will willingly be relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government.”
Henry Kissinger

In an address to the Bilderberger organization meeting at Evian, France, on May 21, 1991. As transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.

One of his very public quotes;

"Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World."
Henry Kissinger

Now forget the: "of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." part

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Heinz Kissinger should have been charged with war crimes and treason long ago. Then after being found guilty under a mountain of evidence, quickly executed (if that was the sentence) or in prison for life for his heinous crimes. People should not be reading anything from this monster - let alone quoting this scumbag.


Agreed to the first part, my view on the second part is that stripping him of his precious power is more than the man can bear; not agreed to the last part;
"Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, maybe I'm a moderate conspiracy theorist or something but shit is going on, real shit like Greece and slaughter in the middle east, you name it. It isn't all lies. Whatever sparked this shit, well it can't all be the Bilderburgers or Kissinger. Yes, 9/11 and 7/7 and even Sandy Hook stink but damnit, after how many years are we bitching about it here, pinning it on the "New World Order" and still no answers, just postulating about some puppet masters and we have never ever, gotten anywhere with all this "information."

You go on with your suspicions. I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe continue to seek out answers that make the most sense.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimbo wrote:
No, maybe I'm a moderate conspiracy theorist or something but shit is going on, real shit like Greece and slaughter in the middle east, you name it. It isn't all lies. Whatever sparked this shit, well it can't all be the Bilderburgers or Kissinger. Yes, 9/11 and 7/7 and even Sandy Hook stink but damnit, after how many years are we bitching about it here, pinning it on the "New World Order" and still no answers, just postulating about some puppet masters and we have never ever, gotten anywhere with all this "information."

You go on with your suspicions. I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe continue to seek out answers that make the most sense.


Jimbo, I understand your frustration perfectly. Personally, I 've been going down this rabbit hole for real ever since I have read David Icke's "the biggest secret" somewhere in 1999/2000. He may be controlled opposition, this doesn't mean the man doesn't know what he's talking about or that most of it is for real. What did I gain by immersing myself in this sordid shit; at least you don't run around wondering what the hell is going on, not being able to connect the dots and see everything as "random" events. Like say 9/11; the moment I heard the two towers had been hit by airplanes I knew that it was a false flag, because it had all the classic traits of one described to a tee by Icke. I think most people on BFN must have come to the same conclusion at some point, otherwise they wouldn't be hanging around here.

The thing is, 9/11 was a key event in their scenario for their precious NWO hang-up. Its was the perfect excuse for all the nefariousness they have pulled off since then, like the invasion of Afghanistan (real motive; poppies and heroin), the invasion of Iraq (real motive; stop Saddam from introducing a gold backed currency and accepting other currencies as payment for their oil besides USD, and many others), the PATRIOT act 1 & 2, the NDAA, the endless war on terror, the training of ISIS/ISIL and so on and so forth. At the same time we have seen the rise of China and the decline of the US during this time period, all according to their megalomaniac plans. Debts worldwide have gone totally out of control and have reached a staggering $ 200 trillion, unprecendented in history and way to high to be serviced by a world GDP of supposedly $ 70 trillion (probably a phoney statistic anyway). So a lot of things are happening simultaneously that are leading to a situation that is unsustainable, exactly how they like it.

You must be sleepwalking not to see a pattern here; that all this is leading up to something, and yes, probably sooner than later. As there may be little you can do to stop this from unfolding on a global scale, you can take action on a personal level from trying to safeguard your savings by investing in tangible assets to becoming a full-blown prepper. You think I may have "suspicions" but I can guarantee you with mathematical certainty one thing, a financial crisis of untold proportions is just around the corner, one that will make the 2007/2008 episode look like a walk in the park.

In my opinion basically it boils down to this; an out-of-control sociopathic-megalomaniac elite that is behind this BS called the NWO is holding a clueless humanity hostage to reach their goal; total world domination. Insane? Absolutely, in the truest sense of the word, these freaks are sick to the bone. In the meantime, a dumbed-down tech-addicted population is sleep-walking through life, obsessed with the latest gizmos, spending their money on things they don’t need, with money they don’t have to impress people they don’t even like. Can it get sadder than that? Well, if it’s up to our „overlords“, they can’t wait. They can’t wait to give us some more mayhem and then come up with a „solution“ to all this, after all, their motto is „ordo ab chao“, which can be found on the one dollar bill (or should I call it a Federal Reserve Note). I sometimes feel myself stuck between these two forces, which are sadly the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fortunately, people are starting to wake up ever so quickly, but of course the elites are aware of this and that’s why they are also in control of most of the alternative media, to send people down the wrong rabbithole. So it takes a great deal of discernment to find your way through this maze, that’s for sure. But I think that after all, this is not so much a three-dimensional process but rather a metaphysical/spiritual battle that is being waged here. See it as a challenge, rather than a chore. In the meantime, I’m trying to live a normal life as much as possible, like today is my wife’s birthday, so I’m out of here.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Plato Posted:

"They will use a country like the US of A until it has given them what they needed;
then they'll throw it under the bus if this is necessary to further their agenda."


Ok Plato, there I was.... trying to figure why you're so duped
by the whole "doom and gloom "NWO is EVERYWHERE" meme....

Then I noticed you wrote that "throw the USA under a bus" line above:
Laughing

And I realized: you've been channeling your INNER AJ !!

Quote:
Plato Posted:

"They will use a country like the US of A
until it has given them what they needed;
then they'll throw it under the bus if this is
necessary to further their agenda.
"



Dude- AJ himself couldn't have put it better!

Yeah, yeah... yada yada.... THE GLOBALISTS are coming!!

AJ prefers to say Globalists - not NWO Wink

You also posted:

Quote:
...the dominating will be done through institutions like the UN and the
BIS/IMF, to which countries have to give up more and more of their
sovereignty....

That is classic AJ spin.

Portray the threat as a GLOBAL EXTERNAL ENEMY.

NOT an INTERNAL GHWBush-Mob COUP!!

So, FFS - why bring that Psyop drivel here, to the Next Level?

Where we have outed that little shit AJ many times over??

I got that AJ image from a video of his you linked in this post.

In the Video AJ warns of Imminent Catastrophe Meltdown of the USA
Curiously, in his last video he warned of Catastrophe Imminent Meltdown of the USA
And previously he warned of Meltdown Imminent Catastrophe of the USA

And YES he WAS totally fucking wrong every time so far.
But I know that you wouldn't hold that against him.

He looks really seriously worried this time though.

(He's been taking lessons in looking seriously worried.
Nothing fucking pansy liberal worried though, mind you.
Proper manly worried look. It's a job. Whadd'ya want?)

Watch the last minute of it here.

In the video AJ is warning that World War III is imminent.

I said Ukraine is where the NWO already LOST WWIII.
I say the NWO banking system is broken.
I say the NWO are LOSING day by day.

AJ says they're WINNING.

One of us is a well-funded, CIA Fake lying little shit.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[size=14]Plato Posted:

One of us is a well-funded, CIA Fake lying little shit.


Well, it isn't me, dude!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me neither.

That only leaves AJ then.

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