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There are few things more ironic than jfk's real assassin describing his own shot and ultimately debunking Oswald and the grassy snow job.
Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (Greer pointed over his right eye)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
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Greer shooting JFK is a valid theory. He sure as hell brings his left hand up, over the right shoulder while looking back and POP there goes the skullshot in perfect synch. That would be one hell of a coincidence to explain away. What better assassin to employ than the SS? And that fits the definition of "Gonzo" - doing something so openly and blatantly horrific that nobody would dare think it is even possible. Perfect way to take out the president with all the sniper shots going off to confuse witnesses. I don't think that the planners would rely on a shot of many dozens of meters if they could find another way. . . Like a point blank headshot from the driver.
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Very few people on the boards were willing to state the obvious because it's so easy to see who did it once someone pointed it out. It's politically incorrect to place blame on Government when the evidence is so direct and conclusive.
It's as simple as showing Greer's left arm really extended over with the headshot and the absurdity of the fake hand in Zapruder. The whole limo jolts upward in unison with the headshot.
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OP i believe U are correct.the driver does shoot him.
i cant believe i never saw it before...
thanks for posting this.
its clear enough.
besides being shot by someone else, jfk WAS indeed shot by the driver.
its right there in the video.
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I will make it simple for all the naysayers. Some things aren't supposed to be true but really are and rarely they are proven, like in the case of the driver shooting jfk. The only defense against this truth has been invalidated by showing that Greer's left arm/hand really did cross with the headshot. The illusion has been proven a reality.
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This may notnbe popular, however, the nix film shows the splatter from the shot disappear just as fast as the zapruder film. It also shows the limo does not stop. So did they fake both films?
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Bill Cooper thought so but was it on the strength of these images?
The trajectory is not consistant though.
And the trajectory would be through the gap between the Connolly's who would have had to be apart and not talking to each other when they would have been closest to each other.
If the right rear of John's head was the exit wound - where was the entry wound?
Why did Greer turn round when he did? Was it well after the neck grab?
Yes it was. Why did Greer turn when he did? Was Jacky late with her first words to alert Greer to then turn around to see.
Jack was in destress earlier than when Greer turned around and Jacky was being attentive towards John. But when did she speak? I realise that Greer could have turned to take the shoot irrespective of being alerted to what had happened but Greer will have spoken of the reason why he turned. What did he say caused him to turn. All we know for sure is - he turned around.
The Greer/John trajectory would have caused a clear entry wound at an angle to take the rear right hand side of his head away.
Neither was there an entry wound and the rear exit was not possible from Greer's position.
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The most interesting aspect of this entire topic is actually its title. Film Hoax? Yes indeed. I personally believe that there is absolutely powerful evidence to show that the z-film was altered. My primary reason for this hypothesis is Douglas P Horne's incredible work and testimony by those who actually worked on TWO different films within a day of one another in a compartmentalized fashion (or operation). I guess I won't bog the forum down with a gigantic quote (I will quote what I feel is a nice prelude or summary) but I'll direct anyone sincerely interested in the evidence to a website:
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The Key Witnesses
During the summer of 1997, following the announcement that the film would be “taken” by the government, and while the authenticity study by Kodak was effectively already underway, the ARRB staff became aware that there were two former CIA/NPIC employees who had, in 1963, worked with the Zapruder film at the Agency’s National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC) immediately after JFK’s assassination: their names were Homer A. McMahon (the former Head of the NPIC Color Lab), and Morgan Bennett (“Ben”) Hunter (his assistant at the time). The ARRB staff interviewed each man three times that summer, and I was present at all of those interviews. [3] I was the lead interviewer at the one interview that was recorded on audiotape – this was my questioning of Homer A. McMahon at Archives II, in College Park, Maryland on July 14, 1997. The tape of that interview has been available to the American people through the JFK Records Collection at Archives II since November of 1998; I finally produced a long-overdue verbatim transcript of the interview in May of 2012, which I make available on request to anyone who is interested. ARRB staff interview reports – written summaries – were produced after each interview of these two NPIC employees, and those interview reports are also available to the public in the JFK Records Collection at Archives II. The activity McMahon and Hunter were involved in on the weekend following President Kennedy’s assassination was the making of photographic enlargements from individual frames of the Zapruder film; the purpose of this activity was to support the creation of “briefing boards” that would be assembled by others at NPIC, using the color prints they made, for purposes and audiences unknown. The customer requesting the activity was the U.S. Secret Service. Homer McMahon, following the instructions of a person who identified himself as Secret Service agent “Bill Smith,” presided over this “briefing board event” at NPIC. Unknown to the ARRB staff at the time, this round of interviews with Homer McMahon and Ben Hunter was only the first half of the story of what happened at NPIC the weekend of the assassination. I would not become aware of the second half of the story until 2009, about eleven and one-half years later.
Then, in February of 2009, I was contacted by JFK researcher Peter Janney of Massachusetts (author of Mary’s Mosaic, 2012), who had just commenced a long series of interviews with a third former NPIC employee who had also participated in an NPIC “briefing board event” the weekend following JFK’s assassination. This witness, who had spoken only briefly and cursorily to a few other JFK assassination researchers, was the prestigious Dino A. Brugioni, who had served as the Chief Information Officer (the “briefing board czar”) at NPIC for about two-and-a-half decades; Mr. Brugioni was, and remains today, the world’s foremost living expert on the U-2 and SR-71 aerial reconnaissance imagery, and on the Corona and early Keyhole satellite reconnaissance imagery; and when first contacted by Peter Janney, was already the author of several books, including Eyeball to Eyeball (an account of aerial reconnaissance during the Cuban Missile Crisis), and Photo Fakery. At Peter’s request, I helped him develop an evolving list of questions for Mr. Brugioni, and also helped him evaluate the answers as they came in following each interview.
Peter Janney conducted an exhaustive series of MP3-recorded telephonic interviews of Dino Brugioni throughout the late winter and spring of 2009 (seven interviews altogether, beginning on January 30th and ending on June 27th), [4] and the upshot was that without any doubt whatsoever, Mr. Brugioni presided over a distinctly different “briefing board event” at NPIC the weekend following the assassination, using a distinctly different Zapruder film. Mr. Brugioni, like Mr. McMahon, also presided over the making of enlargements – blowup prints – from individual frames of the Zapruder film, which were then mounted on briefing boards. But his work crew was entirely different than McMahon’s; the numbers of enlargements made differed significantly; the number of briefing boards made was different; and the format of the briefing boards made at Brugioni’s event was distinctly different. Most significantly, the format of the Zapruder film delivered at Brugioni’s NPIC event was distinctly different from the format of the Zapruder film delivered at McMahon’s NPIC event. Yet each man believed, without any doubt, that he was working with the original film. And the two events occurred only one day apart. Mr. Brugioni was contacted again in 2011, and the information that he had previously provided in 2009 was reconfirmed by Peter Janney in an MP3-recorded interview at Mr. Brugioni’s home on April 28, 2011; as well as in a four-hour-long HD video interview conducted by me on July 9, 2011. Mr. Brugioni’s memory remained sharp, and his credibility high – very high. Indeed, his good memory and credibility is recorded for posterity on the HD video recording.
What the two NPIC events point to, the weekend immediately following President Kennedy’s assassination, is a compartmentalized operation, in which the first NPIC work crew (Brugioni’s) made briefing boards, using enlargements of individual frames from the true camera original Zapruder film; and in which the second NPIC work crew (McMahon’s) also made briefing boards, the very next night, using enlargements of frames from an altered Zapruder film, masquerading as the camera original. I characterize the operation as compartmentalized because neither group was aware of the other group’s activity that weekend, nor were they intended to be. At the time, back in 1963, both McMahon and Brugioni were each led to believe they were working with the “original film,” but clearly, only one of them could have been. Fantastic, you say? Certainly. But all true. The evidence will be clearly laid out before you, below, along with an analysis of what the evidence likely means, and why.
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(The very lengthy article in which Horne provides eyewitness testimony (and from which the above quote was taken) and HIGH resolution images of the different briefing boards used by the NPIC) -
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/horne-d1.1.1.html
High Resolution Images of the 'Briefing Boards' and how many frames each one is actually missing (the alleged and sheer amount of frames possibly missing is STAGGERING and yet...oddly wouldn't be totally surprising):
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/NPIC-Panel-I.jpg
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/NPIC-Panel-II.jpg
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/NPIC-Panel-III.jpg
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/NPIC-Panel-IV.jpg
http://www.manuscriptservice.com/NPIC-DougHorne/panels.htm
So, what is my point? Well 7forever has bet the entire house on Greer being the shooter, which (the viewpoint and not necessarily the one who is promoting it) is plain CIA/PsyOps trolling. Purely meant to divide and cause conflict. When the most powerful case has already been given, and some alternative, very weak, no explanatory scope or powerfully view is given thereafter anyone should be absolutely suspect especially given the context of the massive coverup that exists in our present day. The hypothesis "Greer shot JFK" is absolutely a triviality and when one considers the film's alteration taken alongside eyewitness testimony (not ONE WITNESS saw Greer SHOOT ANYTHING/ONE) and therefore should be quickly abandoned. The links I have provided give us powerful reasons (I believe) to conclude that more than likely, the film was altered.
At the same time, I don't see any issue with anyone being agnostic on the Z-film issue but I personally would probably be moved to believe it was more than likely altered given the context.
The issue I see is that many treat the film as gospel without recognizing at the very least, the mere possibility that the film is not giving us an accurate (or scientifically conclusive) view of the event in question and so we should always be cautious. I do believe there are "stone cold facts" that we can safely assume/conclude (JFK was hit with a minimum of 2-3 shots, Connally was hit with a different round, etc) but in any event, onward and upward. 7forever stop spreading disinfo. If you will even care to read the relevant info I have posted, you will at least consider the very strong possibility that your hypothesis is poorly founded with all due respect. |
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The above post is total and complete nonsense. It doesn't challenge the video facts that show Greer passing the gun in Zapruder and that in both other films show his real left arm extending over. That is the simpe proof right there. None of it has ever or will ever be challenged in any way.
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| Nuckelhedd wrote: | | This may notnbe popular, however, the nix film shows the splatter from the shot disappear just as fast as the zapruder film. It also shows the limo does not stop. So did they fake both films? |
The nix films shows Greer's left arm extend over. That simple fact explains and solves the entire jfk assassination. There is nothing more needed especially when it also extends over in muchmore too.
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| 7forever wrote: | | The above post is total and complete nonsense. It doesn't challenge the video facts that show Greer passing the gun in Zapruder and that in both other films show his real left arm extending over. That is the simpe proof right there. None of it has ever or will ever be challenged in any way. |
What a cop out. You're not reading a blasted thing lol....As I read what I've posted a few times in the past, I could possibly be in error about my own conclusions but I wouldn't think irrational or nonsense lol....My point was that there are far too many reasons to reject the Greer Shooter theory and accept (at the very least) the more powerful theory of multiple shooters without the use of Greer as one. |
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http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_c.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
Greer shot JFK.
Clint Hill, SS WC testimony - "The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car".
SS Agent Sam Kinney, driver, follow-up SS car. - "He had no brain left. It was blown out, there was nothing left in the back of the head". "It was the right rear part of his head, because that's the part I saw blow out".
Witnesses said Greer shot his gun.
jjh36Is 18 hours ago
Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head
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Man this is a lot of nonsense.
The Zapruder film has been fucked with, touched up, and rebuilt more times than Barack Obama say's "uh".
Come on 7forever. The facts of the case you are trying to support just don't add up. Greer not only heard the shots (my personal opinion) he saw the 3rd shot. The third blast to Kennedy came from a high power rifle Like a .308 or .440, not a 38 or .45 you allege Greer was pointing at Kennedy in all of this footage. It is simply more dis-info meant to steer you away from the real perpetrators whom are either dead or still at large.
If you look closely, the timing of Greer turning and allegedly firing, and the arrival of the shot are not the same, ie 1275ftp/s. I've never seen a .45 or smaller hit a target at close range almost a second later. The timing is just all wrong and does not support your conclusions. Are we even seeing the real un-retouched footage of CIA asset Zapruder?
Nope. 
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The most relevant evidence in proving Greer the fatal assassin is tracking his left hand before, during, and after his shot. Greer's left hand, left the wheel some time before frame 241 and didn't return until after the shot. He turns around the first time only after securing the gun and gaining back control of the limo with his right hand on the wheel. Both his hands were off the wheel for at least one second, something so incriminating that researchers either ignored or outright lied about.
Had that tool, Bob Harris included these early frames, his goofy video would've been debunked/dead on upload. Greer simply passes the gun and then his left hand goes missing for less than 1.5 seconds. We then silly fake reflections that depict a cartoon of Greer shooting JFK. Greer's left shoulder does NOT rotate to the right in Zapruder but does so, clearly in both the Nix and Muchmore films. His left arm comes down right after the shot, which directly contradicts the video effect (in Zapruder) that flickers about near and below the top of the door.
If anyone's interested in where I got the nix close-up, just ask. Greer shooting jfk was always totally obvious, it just needed the thinly veiled excuses invalidated. The Nix and Muchmore films did that over two years ago and now it's time to move forward and really have fun with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0
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7forever, give me one, clear witness statement that has testified that the driver shot JFK or even fired a weapon. Jean Hill is/was probably one of the best witnesses to have clearly seen Greer shoot anything or anyone. 7forever, if you're of an honest and open mind you will at least agree with that fact. One of the best witnesses to any events going on inside the 'target car' would have been Jean Hill.
From that point we simply dig up any and all of Hill's statements she has given.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhillJ.htm
This is simply speaking on Jean Hill. There are many, many credible witnesses who could have easily seen Greer (or Kellerman for that matter) and frankly I have never come across any testimony that has even remotely suggested that Greer fired a weapon that fateful day. So again, the question is, given that you (and I assume yourself) were not present that day, we can rely on eyewitness testimony to tell us what happened. Do you....or can you provide anycredible eyewitness testimony that even lightly suggests that Greer fired a weapon that day? I know many witnesses say that he came almost to a halt, but I find it absolutely odd that they forget to mention he fired a weapon if they're mentioning what he did with the vehicle.
I must also say....there are talks that the film was altered so as to hide gunfire/wounds consistent with shots from directions in addition to a rear headshot. IF this hypothesis is correct, then we should be careful on conclusions based on the film's timing. You seem to tell us "hey guys, LOOK at the film!, you can CLEARLY see Greer shoot a gun" but my word lol.....its simply the 'shiny' part of Kellerman's head of hair. I also noted the physics. JFK's head goes back/left, Greer is front/left. How can that make sense?......food for thought.
P.S - Remember my main questions: Eyewitness testimony (don't tell me to stare at the photo. Images can be whatever we want them to be at times lol...) and ZFilm Alteration: IF this hypothesis is credible (and I have no reason to think that it is not, not that I totally accept it, but I certainly lean in the direction), does this affect your hypothesis at all? |
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-Mary Moorman took her polaroid at Zapruder frame 309, and in it the white blob was not added.
-The Muchmore Film is important and a bonus for proving Greer the real assassin. The capture below is the moment of the headshot and no fake reflection was added to Roy's head either.
-And finally, the all-important Nix Film provides a double whammy. Not only is it missing the white blob, but Roy's heads snaps back far enough to where his forehead faces the sky. Apparently they were able to curtail that movement in Zapruder. His head moves perfectly with the fakery in Zapruder, but they didn't even bother with these other recordings.
-In Nix, Greer's left arm raises to the level of his right shoulder and retracts after the shot. THAT'S THE SMOKING GUN.
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