Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Inverness, Scotland
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject:
The following is extracted from a hit piece on Trump,
but it shows that media sources and even Woodward's book all confirm Trump's relentless behind-the-scenes battle against the neoliberal warmongers in DC:
Can Woodward be trusted to tell the truth about anything? If he told me that I like reggae, I'd start to question whether or not I really do.
In the last few weeks I've been wondering more and more about something that I read either just before Trump was elected or shortly after. The thrust of it was that there was a high-powered section of the military which had resolved to ensure that HRC would never become the POTUS. No matter what was required to thwart her, they would do it. That included an overt military coup, albeit as a last resort. Their preferred option, however, was for Rodham Clinton to simply lose the election to a candidate whom the military could accept. According to this version of events, Trump was sounded out by these officers a few years before 2016 and they asked him to run, promising him support and personal security protection. Of course, Trump had never been shy of stating that he might run for president one day but this account suggests that it was the approach from the military which made up his mind.
Okay. All well and good. There may be some truth in it or it may be a complete PR invention, designed for a particular target group of supporters. I don't know.
It has nevertheless got me wondering recently whether what we've seen over the last couple of years actually is a full-blown military coup with DJT as a willing figurehead. It would be a mirror image of the supposed attempted coup in 1934(?) when the corporate heads plotted to overthrow FDR and reckoned they'd need a popular, celebrated military figure (Smedley Darlington-Butler) fronting it to give themselves credibility with the public. This could be the other way round. The military plotted to overthrow the Bush-Clinton-Obama regime and reckoned the best frontman for the gig would be a popular, corporate celebrity.
This might all be a figment of my fevered imagination but I keep coming back to it because it does seem possible to me. After Trump was elected, my initial reaction was that his first priority was simply to stay alive and, billionaire or no billionaire, he simply wouldn't have the personal resources to stave off a determined bid by the Deep State to eliminate him. But if he was able to depend upon a sizeable number of professional soldiers who really meant it when they swore allegiance to the American Constitution, that's a different story. The very fact that it's nearly two years since he was elected and he's still very much in command makes me believe that he's got the military on his side (or he's on their side) and that makes me sceptical about Woodward's attempt to spin a tale showing Trump constantly battling against the brasshats.
At the same time, I don't doubt that there plenty of Strangeloves in the Pentagon but I'm idealistic enough to think that the American forces also contain thousands of honourable, patriotic professionals who have been preparing for a long time to restore their country to some semblance of what it was originally designed to be. The Strangeloves can rant and rave in frustration as they face the dying of the light (while Woodward polishes their turds at his laptop) but I reckon/hope/pray that they're on the back foot, standing at the edge of a precipice and watching an avalanche rushing down towards them.
On the other hand, maybe we're all screwed no matter what happens.
But I'm not investing any energy in that line of thinking. _________________ My real name is Gerry.
Can Woodward be trusted to tell the truth about anything?
If he told me that I like reggae, I'd start to question whether
or not I really do.
Yes, he's a lying rat. But the quotes in his book simply
confirm that Trump is reshaping the military away from the
globalist "mission creep".
The argument against a plot with Trump as only figurehead
is that Jeb Bush would have been the best bet for that job!
Trump was an outlier and outsider and his campaign was
on the verge of disaster many times. Not a good gamble.
You've got the political dynamic right. As Trump began to show
he was able to handle the sewer politics of a presidential run,
the military came on board. They have a supporting role
-Trump is calling his own shots and his military vision.
When I say "the military" I mean a diverse group of very
senior commanders backed by sentiment across all ranks
from what you called: "professional soldiers who really
meant it when they swore allegiance".
The military are his guarantee of not getting assassinated and the
core players are aware of the NWO elements who conspired in 9/11.
Proving their guilt is a whole 'nuther ball game, but Trump and
Intel analysts and key global players know 9/11 was an NWO Op.
But at the end of the day it comes down to holding
political power at presidential and mid-term votes. _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
Thanks Fintan and Window, we hope that Trump will succeed with his plans. Granted he must move delicately but I don't see how there can be much fundamental change until that grand-daddy of all criminal conspiracies - the Federal Reserve and it's 'national debt' - is abolished.
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Inverness, Scotland
Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject:
I agree, Michael, and I'm getting the feeling that the Fed is indeed in the cross-hairs. There's been plenty of speculation - at least, on the pro-Trump YouTube channels that I'm keeping an eye on - which is interpreting the President's frequent recent criticisms of Fed policy as a sign that the POTUS is preparing to declare war on the Banksters, wipe out the Fed and start again from scratch. (It's not clear to me, though, just what is being proposed to replace it after the collapse.)
This channel X22Report interview with Charles Smith is typical of the notion that the Prez is artificially manipulating figures that demonstrate the apparently wonderful health and sustainability of the U.S. economy but he's doing this primarily so that the public will squarely blame the Fed when there's a major financial crash in the near-to-medium term. The section from around 25:20 bluntly considers this specific possibly.
(I don't know anything about X22Report, by the way, and I'm not necessarily recommending it as an authority. It's merely one of several channels which I look at each day as I vainly try to keep up with these events.) _________________ My real name is Gerry.
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Inverness, Scotland
Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject:
Fintan, I may not have properly articulated what I was trying to say regarding the military coup. What I meant was that in the last election, the (good guy) military were planning to thwart the NWO, come what may, and for all the right reasons - namely, to defend the Constitution of the United States from its enemies. From that point of view, Jeb Bush is just as much an enemy as Clinton. Trump alone stood out as a suitable ally and he enthusiastically joined forces with the military. This has proved to be a successful alliance.
My point is that I think the military were going to go for it anyway, even if it literally meant tanks on the White House lawn, declaring a national state of emergency and imposing martial law. That would have been as messy as hell and tremendously difficult to maintain but I reckon there were officers who firmly believed that they were facing the last chance to save the Republic from total, irreversible destruction and they'd have been prepared to fight to the bitter end in defence of their country. Fortunately, with Trump on board, it's a much tidier and more effective operation.
The other thing that I should really have said is that it's not so much a coup d'état as a counter-coup. They're actually trying to restore the republic that was lost in 1963 rather than trying to save it.
Either way, it's unquestionably the case that the best way to successfully carry out this eight-year plan is for Trump to continue winning elections and strengthen his authority with a popular mandate. And I expect that that's precisely what's going to happen. _________________ My real name is Gerry.
Trump has not done anything to rile the Fed, he surely remembers what happened to the last President (JFK) who tried to free the American people from the criminally insane usurers who own the NY Federal Reserve Bank.
And, sadly, the US Constitution was fatally flawed at the beginning with the clause that gives the Congress the power to borrow money. There is no reason why a sovereign nation should borrow money at interest from anyone. It can issue it's own interest-free money.
Therefore the USA is not sovereign, it is servant to a private bank..in my view unless this is corrected, well, everything else is just talk.
Tuesday’s mid-term elections will not be a turning point for the United States. That happened when we elected Donald Trump in 2016.
The roots of Trump’s win were seeded back in 2008 with Ron Paul.
And today the words I wrote then I think hold the key to understanding what is happening around the world today.
Paul has offered himself as the figure-head for a revolution that was mature enough, finally, to find him. His campaign is a spontaneous and self-organizing uprising of human frustration; acknowledging that it’s truly time for a change in direction for this society and the responsibility that comes with that knowledge.
Substitute Trump, Orban, Putin, Farage, Le Pen, Salvini or Kurz for Paul and that sentence is just as valid.
Ron Paul was our Guy Fawkes. But unlike Fawkes Paul eschewed all forms of violence to achieve his goals. And if you look at the film version of Alan Moore’s V for Vendetta which inspired my 2008 article that is exactly what the people of England do.
Again, from that article.
By converging on Parliament to sanction the destruction of the old social order and complete the work that Fawkes could not, the people of England in the film state that they are rejecting violence as the means of change; that this event is their catharsis even if they aren’t quite sure what it all will mean tomorrow.
V’s vendetta transcended what happened to him personally, the wrongs done to him. V was the Destroyer.
Evey was to be his replacement, the Rebuilder.
And by the time 2016 rolled around we reached that point of saying that’s enough. What’s happening is a bridge too far.
It took eight years to percolate, for the V memes to become commonplace and a critical mass of people to see through the illusions and the lies. For social media to spread ideas beyond the control of the gatekeepers.
Their rule had become so corrupt, so intolerable we latched onto the guy who took up even a portion of Ron Paul’s message of ending the empire, cutting the corruption.
In short, draining the swamp.
That’s why we rolled the dice with Trump. We knew Clinton was everything we didn’t want. It was time to draw a line in the sand.
That created a complete meltdown by the other side of the political spectrum, the one that reveres state power.
And that tantrum has lasted two whole years. It will continue long after Tuesday’s votes are counted.
Because power is a drug that cannot be quit cold turkey. The systems that erect the powerful don’t fail overnight. The perception of their invincibility does, but the breakdown afterwards, the chaos, has to be worked through.
And that means anger, hate, intolerance and violence. It means a major part of the country will embrace insanity as a coping mechanism. Many already have.
Tuesday’s election will be a turning point in this sense.
The big question we all have is, “Do the people who voted for Trump in 2016 have the fortitude to see this revolution through to its conclusion?”
Will they sanction continuing down this path because the Democrats and their powerful backers will define for us what the price of that resistance will be.
That price will be high.
It may even be unpayable. Because when the Democrats and the Marxists realize they are truly beaten, then they will get really violent to wrest control.
That’s where we are today.
A recent Harris poll saw a huge bifurcation between people who associate themselves with Trump versus that of the Republicans. I’m certainly one of those people.
This is the inherent distrust of the entrenched. People want this current political order torn down.
And they elected Trump to do just that. Run a train full of dynamite into the Capitol and blow it to smithereens.
Trump is a third-party candidate running a revolution within the GOP.
If the Republicans are vulnerable this week it is on that fact alone. That there are still too many of the rank and file, people barely better than the Democrats voters know they don’t want, on the ballot. And there may be some weird moments of voting cross-party simply to sow even more dissent, more chaos.
But I suspect that effect will be low.
What I expect is early voting numbers to reflect what will happen on election day.
But, regardless of what happens there will not be any less violence. Any more civility. The political discourse has been destroyed.
Even people like Lindsay Graham are disgusted with it.
So, Tuesday marks the choice between the further destruction of the old political order or two more years of gridlock and infighting.
A Republican hold of the House will see the stock markets jump as fears of the Democrats undoing everything Trump has accomplished recede. The dollar will rally and the focus will shift to Europe.
But at the same time the outcome of election day will be messy. There will be lawsuits, hanging chads, evil Russians and a showdown on the Texas border. The news media will be full of reports of violence stoking further enmity and division because their job is the enforcement of control.
As Mr. Dascombe said in V for Vendetta, “We’re the BTN, we don’t make the news, that’s the government’s job.” If the last month of stupidity hasn’t taught you this fundamental truth then unfortunately, I feel, nothing ever will.
Everything has a price and on Tuesday we will know just how high a price Americans are willing to pay to set things on a different path. Trump is no savior, he’s a vessel, an imperfect one for sure, but he’s what we have right now.
He’s our V. Our Destroyer.
Movies are unlike real life. They end after telling us the lesson. Life continues.
And the lesson of V for Vendetta is that we have to be the Rebuilders.
The people in Britain had to wake up the next morning and start. We’re two years in and have barely begun.
_________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
When Geoff sessions was attorney general Trey gowdy wrote to sessions saying there was enough evidence to support a second special counsel into the FBI, DOJ, and fisa warrant mess. Sessions told him no.
Gowdy said recently there's a good chance that Whitaker who has taken over as attorney general for trump might defund Mueller, and give the ok for a second special Investigation.
There's also the threat from Trump that he is going to release classified information to do with the way the FBI handled the dodgy dossier etc. They are saying he can't release that information as it falls under national security, and might expose FBI agents methods.
Trey Gowdy who has seen these documents said there's nothing in there that would threaten anyone, but it does contain embarrassing information about the FBI, and DOJ. That's not reason enough to withhold that information so we will have to wait, and see what happens. I've always said that is trump's ace up the sleeve. If he gets pushed by democrats with writs, and subpoenas he will reply in kind, and release damaging information.
What I don't understand is with all that evidence of wrong doing by the FBI, and DOJ, the fake dossier etc. Why doesn't trump demand another special investigation?. There's much more there than anything Mueller ever had so what gives?.
I can only imagine that behind the scenes they are doing everything possible to make sure that never happens ie citing threats to national security.
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