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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:10 am    Post subject: Malaysian Air Jet Shot Down Over Ukraine Reply with quote

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Ukraine: Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead

Jul. 17, 2014 | 06:40 PM (Last Updated: July 17, 2014 | 06:59 PM)

KIEV: A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian Interior Ministry official was quoted as saying by Interfax- Ukraine news agency.

The aircraft, which other sources said was a Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, came down near the city of Donetsk, stronghold of pro-Russian rebels, Anton Gerashchenko said, adding that it was hit by a ground-to-air missile.

There was no further confirmation of the report, although Ukrainian officials said local residents had found wreckage.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed it had lost contact with its flight MH-17 from Amsterdam. "The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace," it said.

Gerashchenko was quoted as saying: "A civilian airliner traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has just been shot down by a Buk anti-aircraft system ... 280 passengers and 15 crew have been killed."

Interfax- Ukraine quoted another Ukrainian official as saying the plane disappeared from radar when it was flying at 10,000 meters, a typical cruising altitude for airliners.

It came down at Torez, near Shakhtersk, some 40 km from the Russia border. The area has been the scene of fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels.

Ukraine has accused Russia of taking an active role in the four-month-old conflict in recent days and accused it earlier Thursday of shooting down a Ukrainian fighter jet - an accusation that Moscow denied.


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22 Mar 2013
The Buk missile system (Russian: "Бук"; English: beech, pron.: /bʊk/ BOOK) is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Buk missile system is the successor to the NIIP/Vympel 2K12 Kub (NATO reporting name SA-6 "Gainful"). The first version of Buk adopted into service carried the GRAU designation 9K37 and was identified in the west with the NATO reporting name "Gadfly" as well as the US Department of Defense designation SA-11. Since its initial introduction into service the Buk missile system has been continually upgraded and refined with the latest incarnation carrying the designation 9K317 "Buk-M2".

A standard Buk battalion consists of a command vehicle, target acquisition radar (TAR), six transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) and three transporter erector launcher reloads. A Buk missile battery consists of two TELAR and one TEL vehicle. The battery requires 5 minutes to set up before it is ready for engagement and can be ready for transit again in 5 minutes. The reaction time of the battery from target tracking to missile launch is around 22 seconds[citation needed].

Inside the TEL of a Buk-M1-2 SAM system

The Buk-M1-2 TELAR uses the GM-569 chassis designed and produced by JSC Metrowagonmash (former MMZ)[14] onto which is mounted a turret containing the fire control radar of the TELAR at the front and a launcher with four ready to fire missiles on top. Each TELAR is operated by a crew of 3 and is equipped with CBRN protection. The radar fitted to each TELAR is referred to as the 'Fire Dome' by NATO, it is a monopulse type radar and can begin tracking at the missile's maximum range (32 km/20 mi) and can track aircraft flying at between 15,000 and 22,000 m (50,000 to 72,000 ft) altitudes. It can guide up to three missiles against a single target. The 9K37 system supposedly has much better ECCM characteristics (i.e. is more resistant to ECM/jamming) than the 3M9 Kub system that it replaces. While early Buk had a day electro-optical tracking system 9Sh38 (similar was used for example on Kub, Tor and Osa missile system), it's current design can be fitted with a combined optical tracking system with a thermal camera and a laser rangefinder for passive tracking of the target. The 9K37 system can also utilise the same 1S91 Straight Flush 25 kW G/H band continuous wave radar as the 3M9 "Kub" system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSMjPxhmrY

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 'crashes in Ukraine' -
live updates
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live

http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/


#BREAKING: Reuters correspondent on the scene in Eastern Ukraine
sees burning wreckage of air plane, bodies on ground
5:10 PM - 17 Jul 2014

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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17.07.2014 17:50 (MSK) Message from the militia.

"In the area Torrez just downed plane An-26, lying somewhere in the mine" Progress. "
Also warned - do not fly in "our sky."
And here is the confirmation of the next video "ptichkopada."
Bird fell for waste heap, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured.

And also have information about the second downed aircraft, like the Su. "


Source: http://rlu.ru/1jlb

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This dont make sense.

Rebels dont have the capabilities of this kind of long range weaponry.

Why would Russia fire upon something that high, and seeing that rebels would not have any sort of aircraft ?.

Another Malaysian flight mystery.


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Did Ukrainian Rebels Really Claim Credit for Downing MH17? http://bit.ly/1nBwIzV


A widely-circulated message from rebel commander Igor Strelkov may have been fake.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure is a lot of debris from this Malaysian airlines flight. Why so little for flight 93 in Pennsylvania?

Flight 370 has been disposed of. MH17 was cancelled and never departed, with no departure time listed. Good cover for the scuttling of flight 370?



Under the waves generated by this shoot down story (on an anniversary of Flight 800 too - can talk that to death as well) the ground invasion of Gaza has started and there is not a PEEP in the MSM about it. How convenient!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This comes Via Pepe Escobar's account on FB:

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ASK CARLOS: Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller, seems to be -
technically - on top of it all. I carefully read all his tweets. Missile fired
by Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior

(NOT the Ministry of Defense.)
https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377/posts/10152558666906678


So - who is Carlos?!
This comment on FB:

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Carlos is a Spanish air controller working at Kiev Borispol airport.
He said that the Malaysian airplane was shot down by two Ukrainian jets.
Even the Ukrainian militas know that.


Also it looks that the Ukrainian military were organizing a coup against
Poroshenko. Carlos says that the air traffic control tower where he is
working is now occupied by foreign agents
. He says that the order to
shoot down the Malaysian airline did not come from the military but
from the interior ministry or from outside.

Carlos is a well known person in Spain. He has been posting his stuff
on Twitter for many years. Pictures of his family, his travels etc...
But in January 2014 he started to write negative posts against Maidan.
He was living in Kiev and his life was threatened by the Maidanites.

He was forced to move to Spain with his family. He is using a pretty
funny Spanish sometimes (words that come from Bilbao, city where
his family is living). Later he came back to Kiev again where he is
working as an air traffic controller. He is a very brave and stubborn person.

I have been following him on Twitter since march 2014. Time to time
I was sharing his thoughts. He has become a key person in this tragedy
since he was controlling the radars on the air traffic control tower when
it all happened. He is a Spanish and he really exists. Carlos is not Putin's
spy. His story appeared in Spanish newspapers.

Follow him on Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/spainbuca


Carlos is also the source for this snippet
of info you may have seen going round:

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✈ Carlos. retweeted
RT in Spanish RT @ ActualidadRT in Spanish 6h
LAST MINUTE Air Traffic Controller:
The Boeing 777 "flew fighters escorted by two Ukrainians"
before disappearing
# MH17 es.rt.com/yW7

An Air Traffic Controller largest airport in Ukraine says that the plane of Malaysia, which crashed in the east with 298 people on board, was escorted by two Ukrainian fighters until minutes before disappearing from radar.

Twitter user Carlos, who claims to work in the Borispol International Airport, located 29 kilometers from Kiev, writes that "the plane disappear around Malaysia Airlines B 777 military authority of Kiev" I inform the demolition. "How did they know?" He asks. Carlos, of Spanish nationality, which writes only spent seven minutes after the accident when they were notified "demolition". "Later the tower took our [control] with foreign staff follows here, "he says. According to him, the military has confirmed that you Kiev authorities organized the demolition." But it still does not know where the order came "he says, adding that the Interior Minister" did know what they were doing fighters in the area, "while" the defense minister not. " In May this year Carlos gave an interview to RT after being threatened by supporters of the Maidan, although not defended-as stated-no political interest.

Texto completo en: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/134299-controlador-trafico-aereo-buelo-mh17-escoltado-cazas-ucranianos

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who will be blamed for this one?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of downed Malaysian Aircraft, just came across this:

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AIDS conference attendees on downed Malaysian jet

By KRISTEN GELINEAU 2 hours ago

SYDNEY (AP) The premier of the Australian state hosting an international AIDS conference says a "substantial number" of world-renowned AIDS researchers and activists were on board a Malaysian jetliner that was shot down over Ukraine.

Victoria Premier Denis Napthine told reporters in Melbourne on Friday that he can confirm many passengers on board the Malaysia Airlines plane were en route to next week's 20th International AIDS conference in Melbourne.

There have been unconfirmed reports that up to 100 people on board the flight were going to the conference. Napthine says it's far too early to give a precise figure.


(source: http://news.yahoo.com/aids-conference-attendees-downed-malaysian-jet-003927115.html)

Damn so this is another downed plane? This is insane guys....

More oddities here:

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Passenger posted joke about plane disappearing as he boarded jet

AFP 9 hours ago

The Hague (AFP) - A young Dutchman apparently posted a picture of the downed Malaysian airliner on Facebook minutes before he boarded it, writing: "If it should disappear, this is what it looks like."

Cor Pan, who appeared to be going on a beach holiday to Malaysia, posted the photo as a joking reference to another Malaysia Airlines flight that mysteriously disappeared over the Indian Ocean in March.

A few hours later his flight too would disappear from radar screens, taking him and the other 297 people on board the Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur flight to their deaths in eastern Ukraine.

Although there has been no confirmation that Cor, from Volendam, nine miles (15 kilometres) north of Amsterdam, was on board, his photo of the aircraft on the tarmac is tagged "near Schipol airport" and appears to have been taken from the gate as passengers waited to board.

The comments by his friends on Facebook, however, seem to indicate that he was on board the flight. Late on Thursday his picture had been shared more than 10,000 times on the social media site.

"This can't be true!" said Alicia de Boer.

Petra Bleeker posted a picture of Cor and his girlfriend Neeltje Tol on which she superimposed a white rose, signifying death. It was unclear whether Tol was also on the flight.

"Such a beautiful couple who have been taken from life. I wish you the best wherever you are," said Peter Bootsman.

Cor had earlier post pictures of idyllic tropical beaches on his Facebook page, saying: "A few more days to wait yet..."


(source: http://news.yahoo.com/passenger-posted-joke-plane-disappearing-boarded-jet-223807473.html)

Fintan, you could move this post as its another Malaysian crash but wow.....this is all just insane to me...
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