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James D



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one point, a little off a very interesting topic ...

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It's not quite yet the death of the waiter......


It will never ever, ever happen!

It's the ONE job that will never be replaced - it's impossible, unless, of course, bar and restaurants cease to exist in some far off universe.

Life, itself, takes place in bars and restaurants. Business, socializing, ideas come, relationships start and end! If you want anything - go to a bar and you'll find it!

And you want a real human being to serve you and to interact with.

Barman/waitress is the most undervalued occupation. It's also an art!
It combines every discipline there is from psycology through maths, physics, biology and chemistry to anthropology and their wonderful relationship to the master of all drugs - alcohol.

But even if we got to the future stage of having other drug joints - you'd still need that shaman to hold your hand and guide you.

(While wiping away with the attentive cloth) - "Yeah, yeah, I know, excuse me ...." - an art!

It will never, ever, ever be replaced by a robot - at least not until we have full singularity.

Of course I'm talking about real live individual pubs and restaurants, not life-sucking McDonalds or Starbucks, but the centres of communities, involved and implicated in everything to do with that community.

That doesn't mean we should all go out and open bars though, because it's the hardest job in the world. In fact, it's not a job - it's a way of life and not everybody is cut out to do it.

But, I repeat ... I will never, ever be replaced!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: x Reply with quote

Curious that Natural News just yesterday had an article about this very stuff.

Anyway, a latest (off topic) headline;

Japan Official: “This is the way the reign of terror begins!” — Lawmaker is “physically restrained”; Outrage as secrets bill rammed through — Final passage expected within hours (PHOTOS)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: c Reply with quote

Just listened to part 4. My tainted perspective on various...

Guaranteed income. Never considered anything like this. Why, because, as Peter knows, I've had a time with this doctrine of karma for sometime. I can now say however that it's more than likely this was another meme planted into the collective mind for control purposes. What better lie to tell resentful field workers, so to speak.

I've also had a whimsical theory which has to do with energy. That we are in fact on some kind of energy farm.... That something, feeds on all this energy; via work, trauma and the gamut of human emotion through interaction and triggers. This energy is expended but then where does it all actually go - considering the conservation law and open systems!?

I think other pressing concerns today are relevant to this major trend. Rather, say according to Alan Watt, this tech boom, tho perhaps inevitable, seems to be an aspect to the ptb's agenda. If not the case, I'll opine that they know about larger cycles and plan accordingly.

Those concerns of course being geo engineering which is backfiring and may trash us all, Agenda 21, Fukushima, the Gulf with it's MEOR"S (gene tweaked bacteria which is another vector leading to biospheric melt down)... These are a few but the crux is the general Depopulation agenda.

So it would appear all this is working in tandem; or a well designed business plan. Tidy up this place but first some dirty work needs to be done.

In systems theory etc we could say this is one of those unstable transition stages. Yet still, how much if this is artificially contrived? That is, that this contrivance is working against that natural trend, which has it's own brand of transition and instability? Never mind.

I appreciated Fintan's revisiting the mirror plane at the end. How it seems to model what is transpiring down here overall. I'm still wondering about how "the flesh would become word".
This to me seems to allude to the torus again, in an existential sense!! A dust to dust thing... From mind to matter and back... again and again to nowhere really but back into center or cosmic dream.

Like, what's the point? The idea was or is there... it wants to materialize that idea (gee, maybe for some reason it has to, it being built into that source idea)..... fine in itself.
I'm sure it's me and altho I've a sense of adventure for sure, I loath the idea of one innocent person suffering, especially needlessly. My cosmic peeve.
It's like the idea of God sending a flood...tho simply to prevent anymore suffering. Perhaps this is fear based thinking but let's recall that torus treadmill thingy above.
Golden Age? That's likely Golden Ages. Which means more Kali Yugas to........

Another item not mentioned, and we didn't expect it as it would truly derail, is all the tech employed against the masses. From drones to gmo food to implants and this list is rather long - and growing.
A question just popped; what Was the purpose of all those nuke tests; where there was not much intention (but for over Japan and who really knows what's behind all that) to really use them in anger anyway (this doesn't include say DU rounds, or does it?)? I've heard all that was show and the real motive was simply huge profits for those industries (really the "big boys club").

We may be entering mind, spiraling up or entering the ether stage as per Hopi etc. prediction. So ain't it funny the specter of a prison planet. This may be easy to brush off if you yourself haven't had a run in with overstepping authorities.

Ah, AI. What would "Jesus" say!!?? Oh I know, "If they'll not have you dust off thy diodes and woe unto them." Is it then all about Souls? Will they one day craft a soul from Mind Stuff Itself? Sounds a bit like Robotech.

Anyway, wise words by Fintan when he said it wasn't about him. That he is more a part or a larger process....... a good way to look at things.
I am impressed by such quick logic and insight. I rarely hear this quality not to mention that eloquence in such a consistent manner. And I still love those tree incarnation shows. Some of the music cuts were worked in perfectly.

To close, I say again it is highly conspicuous, in light of this robo boom, that nothing of this is coming out of or going into Fukushima (etc). This has got to be by design. By design as to bad design..........
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Nature-ally Reply with quote

Consider the universal principle of balance.
As the (local) universe expands, entropy (disorder) increases and temperature (movement) drops. Since this infinite(?) system is closed for our purposes, information. polarization (distance) and interactive forces (conformance or lack of freedom of movement) decrease. This puts incredible pressure on the evolutionary process. Our DNA was designed for resonance (and NOT redundancy) so that as the polarization increases, the signal becomes more and more evident and insistent. We can achieve a clearer picture despite the apparently larger field of view (due to expansion) because our focus becomes correspondingly more narrow. This explains the continuing surge in technological development. Fire, thrown rocks and sharp sticks have developed into drones, droids and sims.

The next (logical) level is the increase in our ability to engender order into localized chaos. Our focus and ability to handle ever increasing computational power in ever decreasing focal distances (Moore's law???) will result in perceptions and perspectives that go far beyond what we have dreamed of or can contemplate.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hacker Releases Software to Hijack Commercial Drones
Bryant Jordan | December 9, 2013 | Defense Tech




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No sooner had Amazon​.com founder Jeff Bezos announced plans to deliver small packages via flying drone than a well known hacker has released technical plans for an interceptor drone able to hijack other drones.

SkyJack,” says the creator claims on his website, can put “an army of zombie drones under your control.”

The man behind Skyjack is Samy Kamkar, who achieved a high level of infamy when he released a computer worm seven years ago that temporarily took down the MySpace social networking site.

Bezos announced on the CBS News magazine “60 Minutes” on Dec. 1 his plans for Amazon Prime Air —in which the online retailer would deliver small packages within 30 minutes via drone. The website The Verge reported two days later that UPS also is looking into a drone fleet for rapid delivery.

A University of Texas, Austin, professor who last year showed the Department of Homeland Security that it is possible to take control of an unmanned helicopter said small commercial drones such as those sold in stores across the country are quite vulnerable to hacking.

But Prof. Todd Humpries told NBC News that Amazon would be more likely concerned about lawsuits from drone accidents than lost delivery craft.

“Amazon is an enormous company with deep pockets,” he told the network Dec. 4. “If somebody takes down one of their drones and keeps it in their garage as a trophy, or even takes down five drones, do you think Amazon is going to bat an eye? No. They’ll just send out another one.”

In a video on his website, Kamkar explains that the hunter drone “flies around looking for other drones. As soon as it finds any other drone it hacks into that drone’s wireless network, disconnects the owner and then takes over … and begins controlling them under my command.”

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: c Reply with quote

I had no idea drones were available in stores. This hacker seems kinda high profile which is odd to me. Hi, I hacked US security... next! Also imagine what inimical items one could have a (hacked) drone deliver. Maybe all this is some sort of beta test via baiting.
As mentioned before, what I saw over the summer had no props whatsoever. No markings or emitted sounds or other emission. I saw 3 at a time, 2 and 1. One time, with the 3, one of them actually stopped and turned back towards me after concentrating on it. No one ever comments when I post this but I saw something not too many folks have clearly. I still don't know what to make of it. Which of course is same about so much else. The only clue to go by is that they first appeared after I was trying to make it rain via various means.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And so, let the fun begin ...

Open source brain-computer interface
http://boingboing.net/2013/12/11/open-source-brain-computer-int.html

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openbci/openbci-an-open-source-brain-computer-interface-fo

A snip at 300 bucks!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: c Reply with quote

Unless there's something else going on there's been gadgets like the Mind Mirror for some time. Real time eeg monitors.... I'd like to see studies done with this while on ormus or near orgone.
But with pc's this could be networked.... imagine a bunch of folks with the exact same wave patterns concentrating on some outcome. Like this hasn't been attempted.

That site had another article about some guy's "revenge porn" site. He would charge hundreds of dollars to take model's pic Down (plus other fraud), until he got bagged. That's another opportunist... I however think he may have been on to something as the whole industry is off the wall. That is, I cannot believe there are So many willing females to do Whatever. Then you've got millions of nice guys who can't get sex for whatever reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: So let's see here... Reply with quote

1. Amadrones start buzzing around everywhere
2. Some folks shoot them down or hack them
3. Now we gotta put cameras on the drones
4. Nothing to do with the surveillance state
5. Purely coincidental that Amazon has been contracted by the CIA to build a private datacloud for $660,000,000. [1]

[1] http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-mentions-cia-private-cloud-contract-60-minutes-interview

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 am    Post subject: c Reply with quote

Sounds like Alan Watt may be right. Note we've this tech boom, along with waxing surveillance efforts etc. All the while we've got to contend with Fukushima (not a local thing for Pete's sake), the Gulf; where the well is Still leaking, recent massive spikes in methane, gene tweaked bacteria that are now destroying the marine food chain. Just a sample and Something has to give in a huge way shortly. We've also those reports on how the US gov has stocked up on tactical equipment to be used domestically.
Do you see my point? They may be "cleaning house" or letting things fall apart first.

That is only one angle of course. No links and it could have been faked. But I recently saw a vid about an air strike against a US base in South America. No peep on the media for painfully obvious reasons. The motive, apparently, was that the US (or big boy club) had Afgani weaponized contraband which is apparently breaking some rule. But the point is WHO hit them! If true, then Dave Wilcock and others may be right after all. Another oddity was that it was all Silent, employing those new pulsed energy beams etc.

Another major item (on a roll) is all the Astronomers and similar within the past few years being taken out. Quite an alarming list and one of them was the guy who first spotted the comet that hit Jupiter!! Warum??

Now connect some dots. ..... like those strange craft I saw on six different occasions over the summer.

Here is your news flash;

The real news is hardly covered (correctly). Something Huge is going on and still not too many folks have that larger picture. May have to do with that pesky mirror plane or something.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How Technology Is Destroying Jobs
David Rotman | June 12, 2013 | Technology Review


Automation is reducing the need for people in many jobs. Are we facing a future of stagnant income and worsening inequality?


Photo: The Robot that Foxconn Will Use to Build Their Million-strong "Robot Kingdom"
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That robots, automation, and software can replace people might seem obvious to anyone who’s worked in automotive manufacturing or as a travel agent. But Brynjolfsson and McAfee’s claim is more troubling and controversial. They believe that rapid technological change has been destroying jobs faster than it is creating them, contributing to the stagnation of median income and the growth of inequality in the United States. And, they suspect, something similar is happening in other technologically advanced countries.

Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence, according to Brynjolfsson, is a chart that only an economist could love. In economics, productivity—the amount of economic value created for a given unit of input, such as an hour of labor—is a crucial indicator of growth and wealth creation. It is a measure of progress. On the chart Brynjolfsson likes to show, separate lines represent productivity and total employment in the United States. For years after World War II, the two lines closely tracked each other, with increases in jobs corresponding to increases in productivity. The pattern is clear: as businesses generated more value from their workers, the country as a whole became richer, which fueled more economic activity and created even more jobs. Then, beginning in 2000, the lines diverge; productivity continues to rise robustly, but employment suddenly wilts. By 2011, a significant gap appears between the two lines, showing economic growth with no parallel increase in job creation. Brynjolfsson and McAfee call it the “great decoupling.” And Brynjolfsson says he is confident that technology is behind both the healthy growth in productivity and the weak growth in jobs.

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Anecdotal evidence that digital technologies threaten jobs is, of course, everywhere. Robots and advanced automation have been common in many types of manufacturing for decades. In the United States and China, the world’s manufacturing powerhouses, fewer people work in manufacturing today than in 1997, thanks at least in part to automation. Modern automotive plants, many of which were transformed by industrial robotics in the 1980s, routinely use machines that autonomously weld and paint body parts—tasks that were once handled by humans. Most recently, industrial robots like Rethink Robotics’ Baxter (see “The Blue-Collar Robot,” May/June 2013), more flexible and far cheaper than their predecessors, have been introduced to perform simple jobs for small manufacturers in a variety of sectors. The website of a Silicon Valley startup called Industrial Perception features a video of the robot it has designed for use in warehouses picking up and throwing boxes like a bored elephant. And such sensations as Google’s driverless car suggest what automation might be able to accomplish someday soon.

A less dramatic change, but one with a potentially far larger impact on employment, is taking place in clerical work and professional services. Technologies like the Web, artificial intelligence, big data, and improved analytics—all made possible by the ever increasing availability of cheap computing power and storage capacity—are automating many routine tasks. Countless traditional white-collar jobs, such as many in the post office and in customer service, have disappeared. W. Brian Arthur, a visiting researcher at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center’s intelligence systems lab and a former economics professor at Stanford University, calls it the “autonomous economy.” It’s far more subtle than the idea of robots and automation doing human jobs, he says: it involves “digital processes talking to other digital processes and creating new processes,” enabling us to do many things with fewer people and making yet other human jobs obsolete.

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At least since the Industrial Revolution began in the 1700s, improvements in technology have changed the nature of work and destroyed some types of jobs in the process. In 1900, 41 percent of Americans worked in agriculture; by 2000, it was only 2 percent. Likewise, the proportion of Americans employed in manufacturing has dropped from 30 percent in the post–World War II years to around 10 percent today—partly because of increasing automation, especially during the 1980s.

While such changes can be painful for workers whose skills no longer match the needs of employers, Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist, says that no historical pattern shows these shifts leading to a net decrease in jobs over an extended period. Katz has done extensive research on how technological advances have affected jobs over the last few centuries—describing, for example, how highly skilled artisans in the mid-19th century were displaced by lower-skilled workers in factories. While it can take decades for workers to acquire the expertise needed for new types of employment, he says, “we never have run out of jobs. There is no long-term trend of eliminating work for people. Over the long term, employment rates are fairly stable. People have always been able to create new jobs. People come up with new things to do.”

There is much more to this article - use the link to MIT Review above.


Related: Will Advanced AI Be Our Final Invention?


Photo: DAPRA’s Robotic Challenge
Credit: DARPA

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This documentary ends a bit abruptly and has lots of annoying pop up tags, but ...




And on those brain wave applications ...
http://www.nomorewoof.com/



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