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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plato: re, the global currency, i have just thought the very same thing last night when i realized how nice it was to be in-between fiscal cliff ranting & raving from TV and other media outlets (which of course influence social media posting).

So for a split second, i had a light-bulb go off in my head: well, certainly none of these debts are really ever going to be paid. how on earth can they really do that when spending continues to go up? and seemingly it needs to, or the USA will have a major poop-party in the streets and not just from middle-class people. ya see the stock market yesterday? (everyone was relieved momentarily too.)

no, spending will not end and the only answer if it truly never ends is (drum roll) get foreclosed & sold to the highest bidder or instant global currency.

my other guess, as usual, is WWIII, but in a sense we already have that.

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PS - Happy New Year everyone. Maybe keep the seat-belts on.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Impaled on the horns of a devilish dilemma. Reply with quote

Massive inflation or substantial devaluing of the currency are also options. Each comes with its own particular qualities (for them) and faults (for us).

Safe havens are few and far between but watch what the (real) financial elite are accumulating and you will get a clue. Avoid the speculation-driven entities as they are just a new lyric for the same old song.

You can bob and weave until they land the haymaker or you can duck and cover and just wait for the inevitable. Either way you lose, unless we find a way, and quick, of how to take them with us....then they might reconsider their options, and ours.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plato:

Kyle Bass recently revealed a fact about our government leaders:

They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming.

You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to
tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the
truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence,
not to tell you the truth
.”

Yeah, Kyle has an ability to cut thru the BS.

He's also rather too dismissive of Europe by comparison with the USA.
His angle is that US banks have been recapped and EU banks have not.
If only it was that simple and we didn't have to account for derivatives.

However he is ace on Japan and has interesting angles. This video
was released just before Xmas. Kyle's presentation is from Oct. '12.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lies, Damn Lies......
and CPI Figures.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Former bank regulator William Black and Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi
on Democracy Now to dissect the career of Jack Lew,
Obama's pick to replace Treas. Sec. Timothy Geither
.

Currently Obama's chief of staff, Lew was an executive at Citigroup from
2006 to 2008 at the time of the financial crisis
. He backed financial
deregulations efforts while he headed the Office of Management and Budget
under President Bill Clinton. During that time, Clinton enacted two key laws
to deregulate Wall Street: the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999
and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webster G. Tarpley, in the final twenty minutes of his latest podcast, gives his take on Jack Lou and all the other soft fruits up for plum positions, post inauguration:

http://tarpley.net/audio/WCR-20130112.mp3

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:50 pm    Post subject: Audio: The Birth of New Money Reply with quote

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1st February, 2013


The Invisible Revolution - Part 2 : The Birth of New Money

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http://bit.ly/invisiblerevolution

































1) --- Natural Bubble-2-Bust Gold Price Prediction ----






2) --- FOFOA.Blogspot.com Prediction ----




3) --- BreakForNews Managed Transition Prediction----
















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REFERENCES & LINKS

MORE LINKS COMING SHORTLY

REFRESH PAGE LATER


Search Google News For OMFIF: HERE

Germany Taking Half of Its Gold Home By: Julian D. W. Phillips, GoldForecaster.com Thursday, 24 January 2013
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldForecaster/1359061200.php

China May Increase Gold Holdings in Reserves, Researcher Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-11/china-may-increase-gold-holdings-in-reserves-researcher-says.html

Demand for gold rises as central banks diversify reserve holdings 2013-01-12 09:32 China Daily
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2013-01/12/content_16107853.htm

OMFIF Report Advocates the Official Remonetization of Gold
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/john-butler/breaking-news-omfif-report-remonetization-gold

Forget Germany – Here's Central Bank Gold Put to Really Good Use - 23 January 2013
http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/gold-turkey-bank-012320128

Erdem Başçı, 2012 Central Banker of the Year - 11 January 2013
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-303657-erdem-basci-central-banker-of-the-year.html

Germany Reacts To The Retiring Treasury Secretary’s Parting Shot - January 16, 2013
http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/01/16/germany-reacts-to-the-retiring-treasury-secretarys-parting-shot/

The ‘Why" Of Gold At And Above $3500 - January 26, 2013
http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/01/26/the-why-of-gold-at-and-above-3500/

Friend of a Friend of Another http://FOFOA.Blogspot.com

FOFOA on Euro Gold
http://fofoa.blogspot.ie/2011/07/euro-gold.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard


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OMFIF Report of International Role for Gold

11 Jan, 2013
PDF, 0.1 MB

Demand for gold is likely to rise as the world heads towards a multi-currency reserve system under the impact of uncertainty about the stability of the dollar and the euro, the main official assets held by central banks and sovereign funds. This is the conclusion of a wide-ranging analysis of the world monetary system by Official Monetary and Financial Institutions Forum, (OMFIF), the global monetary think-tank, in a report commissioned by the World Gold Council, the gold industry’s market development body.

http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/Gold-the-Renminbi-Reserve-Currencies.pdf



http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/Gold-the-Renminbi-Reserve-Currencies.pdf


From Central Bank Independence to Democratic Public Finance | New Economic Perspectives
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/01/from-central-bank-independence-to-democratic-public-finance.html#comment-104833

ECB: Consolidated financial statement of the Eurosystem
http://www.ecb.int/press/pr/wfs/2011/html/fs110406.en.html


http://www.gold.org/download/pub_archive/pdf/OMFIF_report_summary.pdf

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my list of my suggested articles
from the FOFOA freegold website:

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Here's previous mention of this freegold thesis on BFN by member dragonfly H/T Idea

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64401#64401
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=76455#76455

And here's the point in 2011 when I started to be convinced we
were heading for a new role for gold. In response to a discussion
of an interview Martin Armstrong gave, I posted a link to a video
I had seen back in Feb 2011:

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Peter:
He describes the changes related to the US dollar losing reserve currency
status, to be replaced by some other metric that can be used to satisfy
international settlements....equitably?

The settlement currency could be a weighted basket of currencies.
It would work at an inter-central bank level.

But as this vid discusses, it could be gold - not as
a gold reserve but in low volume for settlement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8-go2O4-zc


Now the two people in this video are the two for whom I have
the most respect for - out of all analysts of the gold arena:
James Turk and Ned Naylor Leyland , a Uk 3.5Bil hedge fund
manager with a keen mind who was involved in the attempt to
set up the PAGE gold exchange(blocked by vested interests):

This had a huge effect on my thinking in early 2011, and
what they briefly touched here - is now happening:

The bit that impressed me was from 5mins to 9:25mins.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Fintan - watched that Kyle Bass video. Sharp as a tack on many things, much still left unsaid as you pointed out re:derivatives. I like his concern for the social side of our dilemma. This is something I find missing from the FreeGold crowd. There's a form of glib-ness over there, an amoral analysis. Giants will take us to the promised land, so that's all we need to worry about. Meritocracy flowers on the other side of the transition. Those who get crushed in the footsteps of Giants, well, they should have been paying attention. I've read all of their arguments and don't think they've successfully elaborated how it's really going to go down. Ned and James Turk dance around the issue, as does Kyle near the end of his presentation, when he uses the word hybrid.

Freegolders will tell you that the ECB has it covered, just look at their balance sheet. They will say this has been in the works for decades. And while they weave a masterful tale of backroom dealings in oil and gold, they really don't like conspiratorial thinking. The fault lies in the debtor-saver paradigm and central bankers are just giving us what we have asked for. Cheap oil via conniving with the Saudis, while finagling the gold price to the detriment of those private gold-holders who weren't sufficiently informed on the game. Benevolent bankers who were watching out for the greater good, assuring that the "right" people were positioned properly prior to the FG transition. All of this ostensibly managed via the Bank for International Settlements which sees all.

Even Robert Mundell, godfather of the Euro, seems to have a different take on things lately. http://robertmundell.net/ebooks/free-downloads/#65 One would think he'd be at least mentioning gold in the sense of FreeGold theory. The shadows on the cave wall we're watching lately, don't necessarily support the view that things are going according to some sort of FreeGold plan. One could as well fit them into a regional survival matrix picture. A sort of Anarchy of the Giants, as they prepare for battle.

The FreeGold slash Reference Point Gold crowd require a significant change at a global level to manifest their vision. That is non-enforcement of future gold-related paper contracts. Thus, no future gold-related paper contracts, physical trading only. Ned and Turk don't quite get there with the corporate-driver hypothesis. Not that it isn't happening at that level also, in a gold-bug way (see this short clip of Kyle and his disclaimer re: goldbuggism is funny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6m4nSxokXI

Since you are concerned about how things work out for people at all levels, I enjoyed hearing your modification of FreeGold theory. Perhaps, if the game isn't yet set in stone, and the PTB are cooperating to make this a smoother transition than A/FOA led us to think, we will see some less traumatic variation as it plays out.

I've been working on a synthesis as I watch all the shadows on the cave walls emerge. I'm using the assumption that this is not a Euro/BIS vs. Dollar/IMF paradigm at the highest levels. I see evidence of much collaboration, which contradicts elements of the FreeGold storyline. I'm even questioning the necessity of a hyperinflation. I'm doubting that there is time left for it to play out that way. The hyperinflation meme is rampant at this point, which, from a contrarian perspective, calls into question those promoting it as the only way out. There is no out. Sinclair's QE to infinity is absurd, particularly when he opines that it in some way "saves the debt". He's ready to bolt to Tanzania. Had his house for sale recently. Hyperinflation doesn't "save" anything.

FOFOA's analysis and hypotheses have slowly morphed over time, and the folks over there are working hard to fit things into their paradigm. I tend to think they leave out more than they include, but that's the same kind of thing that got a bunch of us booted from the USAGold Forum years ago, when Randy Strauss was deleting passwords on a daily basis. Black Gold ideas, multi-trillion drug traffic, geopolitics, etc. FOA stormed off in a huff when folks who'd spent decades really looking into the abyss of how the world works called him out on his simplistic analysis. I'm pretty certain that Sir Douglas, Trail Guide, aka FOA was a childhood friend of George Mitchell, oil billionaire. George Mitchell who was a good friend of the Limits To Growth crowd and Club of Rome. We know what a denizen of darkness therein lies.

It's not that I don't see some form of Gold To The Rescue, I actually do. It's not that I don't think it could be a reasonably good thing, I do. But it really comes down to who holds the reins of power after the dust settles. Anyone who takes the time to read Antony Sutton's trilogy - Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development - will have to conclude there's things going on we don't know. At the highest levels of geopolitics, religion, central banking and the corporate world; this is not about money or gold or settlement or other symbolic distractions. This is about something else. And I think you have a pretty good handle on that as well in your other endeavors via this site.

Just thought I'd weigh-in on the subject, for whatever good that might do some readers. I think less and less about all this stuff as time goes on and more on what it is out there in the cosmos that has the power elites so worried. Whatever that is trumps all of this monetary/gold/world-trade/settlement stuff. But that's another subject entirely. See ya down the road my friend. Take care.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that illuminating context check on FOFOA.

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Ned and James Turk dance around the issue, as does Kyle near
the end of his presentation, when he uses the word hybrid.

Is it idealogical blinkers? Or is it that they speak mostly to goldbugs
- 90% of whom would react with horror to any suggestion that gold
is headed for any role other than reverting to the being again the
holy Moses Tablet bedrock restraining dirty Fiat?

In other words, for them - gold is like the Bible to a fundamentalist.
And thou shalt not have false gods before it! Austrian Austerity IS
a fundamentalist belief, after all. Goodness and salvation in gold -
while others waste mere fiat (Devil's Work) on sinful consumerism
and base earthly pleasure. Laughing

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I'm using the assumption that this is not a Euro/BIS vs. Dollar/IMF
paradigm at the highest levels. I see evidence of much collaboration,
which contradicts elements of the FreeGold storyline.

Agreed. More simply, the current momentum to freegold is just the
inevitable result of two decades of more and more financial players in
more and more countries having both political and economic vested
interest in reducing their exposure to the dollar/G7 fiat zone.

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I'm even questioning the necessity of a hyperinflation. I'm doubting that
there is time left for it to play out that way. The hyperinflation meme is
rampant at this point, which, from a contrarian perspective, calls into
question those promoting it as the only way out.

Sure. Hyperinflation is yet another "huge crisis" paradigm. Just like the
FOFOA wish for a gold ramp to $50,000/oz is a "huge crisis" paradigm.

I find it more likely that the freegold dynamic just continues to inflict
death on the fiat monopoly by a thousand cuts. Or rather, by millions
and millions of gold-friendly transactions a year. And rising. Year, by
year, by year......

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:00 pm    Post subject: It's the money supply! Reply with quote

Way to go Fintan with this international overview of monetary matters as they stand! I look forward even more to the national breakdown...

Cheers to you Dragonfly for inspiring such analysis way back when!

Speaking of way back when, I have in the past week happened to have watched Bill Still's 'The Money Masters'. A forensic historical overview if ever there was one, nevertheless as he says himself, solutions have to be based on the current conditions.

I believe Bill's main message still holds true from 1996. The ultimate economic question remains- who controls the money supply? If a commodity 'backs' the money supply, then all someone has to do is to monopolise that said commodity, in order to strangle the money supply.

Which is why this counterbalancing relationship between FIAT and Gold is so interesting. It renders manipulation of the gold price obselete, in that codependency creates a failsafe mechanism against currency conjuring.

If Germany can in 2011 audit its physical gold stock offshore, then other nations may follow, irrespective of their regional orientation-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLLEnVyU6Vg

In conclusion, we now come to a national context close to my heart. I have joined a new political service in Ireland, and have offered my help.

The Fighting Irish are back!-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHK2WN94H3Q

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a couple of artifacts for those interested. Sharefin, aka Nick Laird, must have been archiving ANOTHER's posts over at his blog. Think it was The Golden Pot at the time. I'm basing that on one of the following posts.

Where it gets interesting is if you read closely, it is not ANOTHER posting these, even though they have his header, so it looks like FOA was already becoming a mouthpiece. Sharefin (curiously mis-spelled in replies) calls him on it.

So that was interesting at the time, but here we are quite a few years later and have you seen the chart that Nick and his buddy put together?

http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/GoldeWave.php

Fun stuff, huh?

Nick is no light-weight either. Check out the kudos section.

http://www.sharelynx.com/kudos.php

Here's some text from the archives:

Date: Sat Apr 04 1998 22:42
ANOTHER (THOUGHTS!) ID#60253:
REPLY:
Date: Sat Apr 04 1998 20:57

sharefin ( How can this be? ) ID#284255:
ANOTHER
" How can they reprice gold to $30,000? "

Mr. Sharfin,
This question from you, it proves for my eyes what I have said. Indeed, if I viewed as a western person, gold money as $30,000 paper dollar credits, my thoughts would also show " this cannot be"! But, from another world, I view this US$ and say "how can it be of such value to all and have numbers as the stars in heaven"? Please understand, money as paper or metal is as "perception of value in the minds of people". If all the gold held by earth were placed in the hands as money, it would be used to revalue every "real thing" at a fair price. A tiny fraction of gold would buy much production of goods and services, on a basis equal for all men, not as a debt for later settlement, as currencies are now!
Thank you

Date: Sat Apr 18 1998 19:18
ANOTHER (THOUGHTS!) ID#60253:

Mr. Sharfin, I thank you for saving my posts. Now I ask you?

Please read these words and consider:
" What Is The Real Price Of Gold IN The Central Bank World?"

If we look back thru the writings of Another, we find an old post that says something to this effect, "You think I am a fool because I trade gold for thousands US$ an ounce". It was a strange statement, but stranger still that no one asked about this. In the very beginning of these "THOUGHTS", the point was offered that gold had increased "dramatically in value these past few years"! This thinking was offered, even as it's currency price was falling to new many year lows. I ask about it today, especially in light of the post of ........

(dragonfly edit: it's not clear if this following response from Sharefin is directly to the post above, since there's a month in between, but you'll get the drift)

5/22/98 ANOTHER (THOUGHTS!)

From sharfin: You will have to do better than this. I have read all of another's writings and what I read now is a sham.

ANOTHER: Sir, Thank you for reading my thoughts, as I do read yours! As in all life, "events make truths", not the words of Another. "time will prove all things" Thank You

http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another4.html

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