AGENDA 21 and The Wildlands Project? Bullshit or what?

[RedMahna]

I was wondering what all the P3 (Private-Public Partnership) deals and current reurbanization was all about on the local level here, but some of this stuff below seems to connect:

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Typically this Agenda 21 and the NGO International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) like Wildlands Project are brought up by Tea Party types, so it was strange to find democrats criticizing what tends to look like bullshit consipracy theory stuff.

How real or fake? Knowledge base, anyone?

(Not sure if this topic has been discussed yet on BFN.)

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[IronClad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwzfxFeG2J8

The blonde asks at the end for a paper so that she can find out how Irving City Council got involved or how the state of Texas got involved.

It makes you wonder whether people that should know these things actually don't and how people who can make these big decisions do without other people who should become aware of them don't or purport not to know.

It sounds like some Communist doctrine. So people should give up personal and private ownership for the good of the people.

I recall a CSI Miami episode involving this type of agenda and it was a developer who saw an investment in it which probably involved the public but only for what he could get out of it. So, the question is has big business found away to get in on the back of a communist doctrine to make big bucks.

Apparently, it's voluntary. So, whoever entered into Agenda 21 did it voluntary. Are they insane?

Well, if there is anything that folk ought to get together about it is Agenda 21. But looking on the bright side [don't know if I'm being Liberal here or Conservative] you save taxes associated with being that property owner.

When are you guys going to kick some ass?

[RedMahna]

yeah, i didn't realize how much info there was out there on Agenda 21.

when do we start kicking ass? hahaha. from the looks of it, every angle has been covered by those would might revise our world.

i think we move way too fast on this planet, especially with technology. and the control of that is in the wrong hands. the alternative is what? psyop grassroots movements or worse, a failed attempt by logical, normal human beings to "keep things real?"

i suppose it could be sold as something we need in order to manage the planet... after all, the population is already 7 billion.

on a happier note, my irises are beginning to come up in my gardens...

red

[Andrew]

[IronClad]

You are possibly right and the Title Deeds to a property is only as good title as the first original owner of that property had, which was none. So, long as we all consent to living in the man's House nothing will change.

At least the people ought to challenge Agenda 21, starting with those at the city council meeting joining forces. At the moment we all seem to be willing tenents in the man's House.

[duaneh]

here's something related to the topic

http://www.planetunderpressure2012.net/index.asp

and this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123260/If-dont-believe-climate-change-sick-Oregon-professor-likens-skepticism-racism.html

'If you don't believe in climate change you must be sick': Oregon professor likens skepticism to racism
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Norgaard last week attended the annual four-day ‘Planet Under Pressure’ international conference in London, where she presented her controversial paper to delegates on Wednesday.

Professor: Norgaard teaches at the University of Oregon. She holds a B.S. in biology and a master's and PhD in sociology
The scientists behind the event recently put out a statement calling for humans to be packed into denser cities so that the rest of the planet can be surrendered to mother nature.
And fellow attendee Yale University professor Karen Seto told MSNBC: ‘We certainly don’t want them (humans) strolling about the entire countryside. We want them to save land for nature by living closely [together].’

[Southpark Fan]

Agenda 21: The Death Knell of Liberty
Jim ONeill | October 12, 2009 | Canada Free Press

'“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. ...The real enemy then is humanity itself.
Democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead.” —From the Club of Rome’s “The First Global Revolution” p. 71,75 1993'

Aren't ya tired of these elitist fraternity scumbags thinkin' they are all that. Where's the crazy in the 'Bell' tower ready to squeeze one or more off?

[RedMahna]

you know, this green-thinking stuff and the collective-community minded angles to a new society seem innocous enough at first glance. certainly a lot of people can agree that misuse of the earth's resources and waste is not a good thing. neither is constantly adding to the consumerist machine with supply-side economics industry in general and the ever-expanding services of technology-based industries (and almost all of it on a subscription payment model for the consumer and small businesses).

that said, these agendas like Agenda 21 and the others mentioned here, fall nicely into a category of beneficience to the global citizenry. but as with any idea that at first glance "seemed like a good idea at the time" it will become "too big to fail" due to the ever-evolving cumbersomeness of legal expansions, crony interests, and the vast armies of sychophants (some who promote these ideas innocently and some who do it for their rentier masters, or in other words, the hordes of community P3 real estate developers, all cronies connected to each community's local government.)

so, in a world where the masses (those who have an internet connection, anyway) get to prioritize news by hitting the "Like" button and who proclaim the infallibility of visionaries like steve jobs (who was reportedly funded by Ross Perot and then by Bill Gates because his so-called "cool" ideas fell short on cash in a very, very big way)... actually are the same in shortsightedness as any other greedy person that desires something for himself at the expense of others.

what is more visionary than to use past history to predict the future? (even leon would agree with that, no? sorry, i had to insert that there seems even he had moved from the shores of the USA to a place where he could live as a private individual who may be able to do as he pleases up to a point that this would be allowed.

individuality will eventually suffer - as if it hasn't already suffered enough - and it will be increasingly easier to make it suffer because less people will have the capacity to comprehend what individuality really is, and how to even handle it will no longer be a problem for collectivist society under collectivist laws a/k/a a type of post-communism, or otherwise known as neo-fascism, a global enforcer of all things for your own good.

people are dumbed down so as not to perceive the real enemies of freedom and individualism.

i am still searching for the answer to why the wealthiest continue to rape the middleclass, but this topic seems to be moving it to the next logical step... for if money is debt and increasingly devalued by inflation, what good is it to anyone, rich or poor, unless the debt is backed by assets. the assets are the private individual's ownership of property (real and intellectual) which we see is eroding at breakneck speed over the last decade or so. therefore, it is not so much the accumulation of wealth as it is the depletion of power from every biological individual that these theft crimes of property will succeed in the overall management of population.

who will enjoy these new green lands, nature, fresh air, trees, streams, etc, when you are to be inbedded in your particular city residence without the ability to be personally mobile at your will? are the ruling class for each town goign to moderate where and when you can visit outside your area? are you going to need a hall pass? a new kind of passport to take your bicycle from one district to another?

look how the public has voluntarily given away all its personal information.

look how advertising and the marketing industries seldom require by law to be wherever they want to be.

look how we protest against being surveilled and sold to, yet few see the obscene irony of it all.

red

[Andrew]

[RedMahna]

Speaking of climate change... Gotta love this stuff from the London Financial Times yesterday:

Wednesday April 04 2012
Breaking News

Study finds air clean-up link to US hurricanes Cleaning up air pollution from factories in North America and Europe could have helped to cause more disastrous hurricanes in the US in recent years, new research suggests...

http://link.ft.com/r/NA70KK/QN7X0U/EWIDEP/2O4T7N/U1X2IN/FW/t?a1=2012&a2=4&a3=4

huh

red

[RedMahna]

something that a lot of americans forget in the equation, the conversation about equity, freedom, and all that clean-and-green stuff, is that the lands of the americas were inhabited by other peoples before the westerners got here.

not sure how sincere this website is, but a lot of information regarding native people's rights, border security, and property issues are covered by these people here: http://stewardsofthesequoia.org/Wildlands_Project.html

ranchers seem to be upset about this too because they feel without access to various roads, they won't be able to maintain livestock or even support nature and wildlife in general. (see various videos on these topics at this site http://www.peopleforwesternheritage.com/PFWHVideos.htm#HTWWL)

what they are claiming is that Agenda 21 is duping the "smart cities" people all over the world.

it seems particularly americans are vulnerable to this bullshitting out of their land rights because the "equal-distribution" "socially conscious" and "enviromentally concerned" latte-drinking bicyclist types feel they are getting away from the 1% - yes, as if wall streeters and of course the local carniverous public-private partnership cronies aren't going to benefit from this phenomenon.

here are some questions:

once people are secluded from territories throughout the lands:
1) who is going to have access to it?
2) who will have authority over it?
3) what will be going on there if no citizen is allowed on it?
4) why should any authority be trusted with it?
5) why are people so stupid to even think all of a sudden any authority will be more transparent than ever before?

someone please explain to me what is wrong with people who want this shit? are they truly incapable of caring for the earth that we need to corral people into new tenements and rope off all nature from humans?

or is it sour grapes? do people rather want to see that everything be taken away from everyone so that these "save the earth from us" idiots can feel avenged?

or is this yet another theft by way of a new boom (because someone has to pay for all this "development") which will lead to a bust so huge like never before - the total elimination of access to public lands and private ownership of anything real estate related... not to mention the removal of personal transportation from private citizens???

seriously, look at all the UN and various NGO work that's gone on so far concerning this crap. they are certainly prolific in writing epic plans, a lot of which is nonsense that even they brush off or table because they have no real blueprint to make it work... not unless those things just happen to be mandated by force.

http://www.unhabitat.org/content.asp?ID=1176&catid=10&typeid=24&subMenuId=0
(the agenda of "UN-Habitat" Org)

http://www.unhabitat.org/pmss/listItemDetails.aspx?publicationID=3304
(this one is about how social media is used to promote this stuff)

http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=11454
(cities of the world that are members)

http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=iclei-home
(homepage of ICLEI Worldwide)

try actually reading through some of this stuff. you know most people for this stuff will not be reading anything in depth... then when something goes wrong, what's the first thing people say???? "oh, we were lied to!!"

NO - EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IS DOCUMENTED. PEOPLE JUST DO NOT READ THE CRAP THEY SIGN ON TO IN LIFE.

rather, they prefer sharing crap on social media... and if the crap is shared by a particular group, the rest of the group believes in it and defends it without question. as if social media and all its cliques are superior to the idiots that were duped into buying houses at the top of the boom, stocks (esp solar stocks in 2008) at the top of the boom, and believing that any 1% is going to acquiesce and then go away, leaving the world safe and peaceful for the city tennents of the world...

... yeah, walls will be built to keep the poverty-stricken indigenous out of sight for the safety of the dignified people, just like in Brazil, the country of origin of the Agenda 21.

dumb-fucking asshole idiots. freedom and liberty?? sounds more like something out of Brave New World to me.

changing of the guards. that's all.

red