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hawkwind
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 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: How to Manufacture Psychopaths |
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Very interesting documentary that proposes psychopaths can be created ... 
- Hawk
"I Am Fishead" Are Corporate Leaders Egotistical Psychopaths?
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I've seen this. And it's a 9 out of 10. Very watchable.
It highlights three issues:
Psychopaths in corporate structures.
Psychopaths are emotionally stunted.
Prescribed drugs produce emotional stunting.
Whether we can tie all this together and deduce an
overall effect on society is the question the movie asks.
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urbanspaceman
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Fintan wrote: | Whether we can tie all this together and deduce an
overall effect on society is the question the movie asks. |
I've seen this before as well. Agreed, I thought it was excellent, and agreed, I'm not sure the connecting those 3 things is logical or not.
There's an implication that psychopaths want to turn everyone into psychopaths...but that seems counter-productive for a group that feeds on human emotions. It would reduce their food source, and increase competition.
It could be another sign that psychopaths are driven by instinct, not any well thought out conscious plan. |
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RedMahna
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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yeah urbanspaceman...
i've seen this guy's vids (thanks atm) and at least he's someone who speaks from many people's position in their daily tangles with psychopaths.
just business to them, i guess. nothing personal...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| urbanspaceman wrote: | | Fintan wrote: | Whether we can tie all this together and deduce an
overall effect on society is the question the movie asks. |
I've seen this before as well. Agreed, I thought it was excellent, and agreed, I'm not sure the connecting those 3 things is logical or not.
There's an implication that psychopaths want to turn everyone into psychopaths...but that seems counter-productive for a group that feeds on human emotions. It would reduce their food source, and increase competition.
It could be another sign that psychopaths are driven by instinct, not any well thought out conscious plan. |
My take on that question is that it's not so much about psychopaths "sharing" their condition; it's more about them choosing the arena, the rules, the game and the referee.
They can't compete on a level which they simply cannot apprehend so it's vital for them that they can drag everybody else down to their level and make judgements within their terms of reference.
The clearest example is in the arts. Almost every field of artistic endeavour in the West is controlled by the Psychopathic Control Grid and the clear trend throughout the 20th century has been towards Anti-Art.
Music, drama, theatre, sculpture, painting - these are all being desensitised and stripped of their power to move, stimulate and inspire. Music has become more and more brutal, monotonous, dissonant and lowbrow. Art galleries are filling up with absolute rubbish - sometimes literally so - which both insults and degrades the visiting art-lover.
From the point of view of the psychopath, this is the perfectly logical thing to do. Psychopaths have no emotional response to great art; they find no spiritual insight from contemplating the work of great artists. As far as they are concerned, a work of art might as well be a dead cow, sawn in half and preserved in a tank of formaldehyde; or a pile of bricks; or an unmade bed. And so that's what is displayed in the Tate Gallery of Modern Art [sic]. It is, of course, utter bullshit. But the stench from this shite makes it next to impossible for anyone to discern the fragrances of true, creative, sensitive art.
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ManAtTheWindow, you definitley hit on something there.
I hate to bring up Ayn Rand into this since so many people hate her without actually dissecting the things she said about logical things... they cannot separate her "philosophy" from the fact that she was basically an author, a very literate one, whose "objectivism" was likely necessary to sell books. In fact, she hated corporate cronyism, the republican party, and much of the libertarian meme too. I doubt she would have voted for McCain in 2008 and I doubt she would have endorsed Mitt Romney for 2012.
That said, she did point out the mediocrity of this new (in her time) American way of thinking, including the junk that's taken for art. We are at a crossroads of debating whether children ought to be taught that it's okay just to be passable and even if you lose in a competition, you're a winner. We're not sure whether it's better to excel or just keep grazing on the grass with the rest of the herd. Whether aiming to be a leader is synonymous with greed and being a follower is just being a good sport. And that our solution to our problems today necessarily means that we all work in collaborative settings... something that social networking is reinforcing through creative commons, etc, and schools have been reforming kids for in the last generation or so through the "plays-well-with-others" model.
I think we have moved into the age of the expanded 15 minutes of fame for everybody, which is the illusion (or dellusion) of the internet magic. The real winners are the marketers of clique advertising. (And by the way, if you follow any marketing stuff, this is the current trend... to create and speak through cliques.)
I am by no means expert at anything, so I am not trying to toot my own horn on being some sort of great genius, artist, philosopher, scientist, or anything. Yes, I can look the other way when the purveyors of crap invade my airspace or earspace... but it's gotten to the point where I'd have to shut everything off to be free of it. Essentially, that means people like me who enjoy or would like to enjoy better concepts from humanity now have less availability to like-minds unless we can talk over the noise.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) |
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Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) |
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| atm wrote: | Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version)
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Nice 1 mate ... this nails the subject better than most I've seen ...
- Hawk 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Top class.
The author's style is analysis on a "just what you need to know" basis,
so the video condenses a wealth of information into just 37 minutes.
Transcript [pdf]:
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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ATM, thanks for the post. Great video. Information dense and a great introduction video to send to others who are less aware of the subject matter.
Recap of Video Sections:
1. Characteristics of Psychopaths
2. Primary Types of Psychopaths (genetic psychopaths)
3. Secondary Types of Psychopaths (created, non-genetic)
4. The four-step method of Psychopaths
5. How to defend yourself against psychopaths |
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Hiyo All... It's been a while...!
But I'll chime in on this... I believe #3 is all we have to concern ourselves with.
So long as there are no others to act on the whims of those Psychos, then they can go play in their own sandbox somewhere.
The problem is the human condition is such that most people are mesmerized by the "leaders", due to slick marketing of their "virtues" (which are a whole other bent out of shape list of contradictory double-speak BS), but heck...
It's not the "chain of command" I'm concerned about... those politicians can flap their jaws all they want... It's the "Chain of Obedience" that is the key to this...
Please watch "Chain of Obedience"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NcLNoxiPBk
Like I've been saying for years and years....
"What would happen if they threw an election and nobody showed up?"
Personally, I believe that the ever and steady decreasing voter turnout rates are a sign of mankinds evolution to see through the "man behind the curtain" BS.
Eventually, the "psychos" in gov will lose all LEGAL credibility, (when the voter turnout drops below 50%, for instance. I believe that most leader/psychos have already exposed their cards, and have lost most moral credibility, and the people know that deep in their guts... they just have to now do the right thing, and stop reinforcing the legal credibility.
Anyhow, that's another story...
My journey continues...
Ed
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| ManAtThewindow wrote: | | it's more about them choosing the arena, the rules, the game and the referee. |
That's an inspired insight, MATW. I can understand why Tom Sheridan recommends NOT going head-to-head with a psychopath, and just disconnect from them…a human being with a soul finds it very difficult to compete with a psychopath playing their game, which is entirely heartless. We get very exhausted playing by their rules, they suck our energy out because we can never be as cold and ruthlessly cold-hearted as they are.
The best revenge is living well, creating our own society, not participating in theirs. |
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| urbanspaceman wrote: | I can understand why Tom Sheridan recommends NOT going head-to-head with a psychopath, and just disconnect from them…a human being with a soul finds it very difficult to compete with a psychopath playing their game, which is entirely heartless. We get very exhausted playing by their rules, they suck our energy out because we can never be as cold and ruthlessly cold-hearted as they are.
The best revenge is living well, creating our own society, not participating in theirs. |
A few years ago I heard an interview with Paul Simon in which he was asked something along the lines of why he tended not to write political protest songs. I can't remember the exact wording but he replied that he felt the best way to make a political protest was to write a love song. At the time I thought that was a bit of a cop-out and a disappointingly glib response from one of the more cerebral popular artists. But it makes complete sense to me now. It addresses the same principle - don't fight by their rules, live by your own values and live well. I totally agree with that.
It's easier said than done though.
| RedMahna wrote: | | . . . I can look the other way when the purveyors of crap invade my airspace or earspace... but it's gotten to the point where I'd have to shut everything off to be free of it. Essentially, that means people like me who enjoy or would like to enjoy better concepts from humanity now have less availability to like-minds unless we can talk over the noise. |
It is indeed becoming harder and harder to opt out of the game. The danger now is that if you're not in one of the teams, you'll actually end up being used as the football.
But I still have the hope that a point can be reached where enough people decide they no longer even like the game because they've realised that it's corrupt, unfair and intrinsically dishonest. Nothing drives the supporters away more than the realisation that a fix is in.
When a bent referee's cheating is too obvious, he runs the risk of provoking a crowd reaction which can even make it necessary to abandon the game altogether or have the result overturned in a subsequent review. But one of the psychopaths' major weaknesses is that they just don't know when to stop.
Perhaps we're now approaching the stage where the referees' impartiality is being loudly questioned and there are open accusations of match-fixing.
Once that happens, nobody wants to play any more and they find something better to do instead while muttering, "It's a stupid game, anyway."
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