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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: America Now A 'Battlefield' - You a POW? Reply with quote

THE GREAT THANKSGIVING CIVIL LIBERTIES RAID

Nice timing. While you were giving thanks, the Senate was
preparing to baste you. Gearing up to define you as a TURKEY!

A new bill will allow the US Gov to redefine at will who is an enemy
and thus authorize the US Military to detain - you - indefinitely!

Say hello to S.1867. Say goodbye to Liberty.

Quote:
Senators Demand the Military Lock Up of
American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They
Define as Being Right Outside Your Window


The Senate is voting on a bill that goes to the
very heart of who we are as Americans.

A bill that will direct American military resources
not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war
zone, but at American citizens and other civilians
far from any battlefield — even people in the
United States itself.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens


Senate Votes To Let Military
Detain Americans Indefinitely

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/senate-votes-to-let-military-detain-americans-indefinitely_n_1119473.html


Indefinite Detention is Not Just For Al-Qaeda. Who's covered?
Whomever the US Secretary of Defense decides is an enemy:

Quote:
(e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress.—The Secretary of Defense
shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority
described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and
individuals considered to be "covered persons"
for purposes of
subsection (b)(2).

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2438-Read-the-Military-Detention-Bill-


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Addressing Levin and McCain's Apologists

An ugly push is being made by those who would see our country pick and
choose who is affected by the detention provisions in S1867. They point to
this in particular:


From section 1032 which specifically addresses the impositions of 1031:

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in
military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the
United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in
military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident
alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the
United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the
United States.


This is not a prohibition on citizen detention.

Though it is not a "requirement," it is also not prohibited.
It simply means that the detention of citizens and their
classification
is left to the Executive Branch
.

http://handthatfeedsyou.blogspot.com/2011/11/addressing-levin-and-mccains-apologists.html


Quote:
Sen. Paul: “My question would be under the provisions would it be possible
that an American citizen then could be declared an enemy combatant and
sent to Guantanamo Bay and detained indefinitely.”

Sen. McCain: “I think that as long as that individual, no matter who they
are, if they pose a threat to the security of the United States of America,
should not be allowed to continue that threat.”


There has been some confusion on the Internet as to whether the National
Defense Authorization Act really applies to U.S. citizens. But Sen. McCain’s
answer should clarify that once and for all.


The confusion stems from Section 1032, which deals with the military
detention of the people the Armed Forces captures “in the course of
hostilities.” Part of Section 1032 states:

“The requirement to detain a person in military custody under
this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”


Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel of the ACLU,
explains the problem.

The exclusion on Section 1032 only applies to 1032. It doesn’t apply to
1031
,” he says. “And that only makes it worse, because any judge is
going to say, ‘Of course, members of Congress meant for American
citizens to be detained because if they didn’t, they would have put in the
exception they put in one section later.’ ”

Anders also noted that Sen. Lindsey Graham, a backer of the bill, has
said multiple times on the Senate floor, including on Tuesday, that
American citizens should be put into military detention without a lawyer.

http://www.progressive.org/mccain_says_american_citizens_can_be_sent_to_guantanamo.html



Quote:
Udall, ACLU attempted sleight of hand
with opposition to military bill

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=12076

S.1867 allows Military to Intern Americans without Charges
http://occupywallst.org/forum/s1867-allows-military-to-intern-americans-without-/

Stop Indefinite Detention of U.S. Citizens Without Due Process

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) who voted against the bill in the House,
says the act would indeed “permit the federal government to indefinitely
detain American citizens on American soil, without charge or trial, at the
discretion of the President.”

He notes that the language “does not preclude U.S. citizens from being
detained indefinitely
, without charge or trial, it simply makes such
detention discretionary
,” therefore it is misleading and outrageous.

http://www.themoralliberal.com/2011/11/29/stop-indefinite-detention-of-u-s-citizens-without-due-process/

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

was this tailor-made for the OWS peeps?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject: 1984, getting there fast... Reply with quote

This goes to show you how desperate they're becoming, and on the other hand the fact that the american people still don't understand that this concerns them shows you how pathetic they are; 1984 we're on our way!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not specifically for OWS - but the populace in general.

One the one hand it's them doing contingency planning
against worst-case disaster scenario.

But actually deploying this law against US citizens in any
numbers would be the end of them. They know that too.

It has value mostly as intimidation: PsyOp. Also it hurts us
to see them undermine civil liberty - just because they can
- more PayOp.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- for ever.'
George Orwell

I have always wondered whose boot he was talking about, in other words, will the police and military really be so stupid and brainwashed to side with the elite, turning against their own compatriots? May be for a while, but eventually the game is up, that is true. The problem is that they can do a lot of harm in the meantime.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"But actually deploying this law against US citizens in any
numbers would be the end of them. They know that too. "

Again, I do not see it this way. Crowds have proven ability of being hypnotized by propaganda to the level they totally loose self-preservation instinct.

My grandfather used to tell me the story how the Kharkov's Jews refused to leave town in the face of Nazi advance because they managed to convince themselves that Nazi atrocities were a mere Communist Propaganda. They were offered to leave to safer Eastern parts of Russia, as did my grandparents.

99% got wiped out during consecutive months.
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