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Benn



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Occupy Movement - Latest Reply with quote

An article published today in Computer World reports on a relatively unusual bulletin from the Department of Homeland Security's National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center warning financial institutions about risks of attack, surrounding the planned September 17th protest "Occupy Wall Street."

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/09/02/dhs-warning-about-anonymous-us-day-of-rage-and-occupy-wall-street/

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, are they running couple of drills that day?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha... wouldn't be surprised.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from AmpedStatus...

The CIA has been actively working with the NYPD (via US Day of Rage, et al.):

Citizens have been prevented from exercising their right to peaceable assembly in New York City because the force established to serve and protect civil society, the NYPD, has become a counter-intel paramilitary force. CIA training has turned their operations into one of the “most aggressive domestic intelligence agencies”. Just last week the New York’s police commissioner confirmed that a CIA officer is even working out of police headquarters.”

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


http://occupywallst.org

As seen in the video above, it started off with mostly relaxed scenes
of people celebrating their right to peaceful protest assembly.


But soon the OccupyWallSt protesters were on the receiving end of
policing policies designed to send a message that effective protest
will be met with calculated thuggery -- led by senior police officers
rather than by rank and file police:

Quote:


Macing defenseless women
is now fair game, it seems:


Quote:
This is the eighth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying
Wall Street. On September 24th, 2011, the lie revealed itself. We live in
a world where only 1 percent of us are protected and served.

The following is graphic video of a white-collar police officer
macing penned-in young women:


The video above has over 150,000 views as of
Sunday morning 25th Sept. So the word is out.

But Max Keiser is not impressed. He tweeted that the protests
lack a named target and are coming too early for Americans
cosseted from the worse economic problems elsewhere:

Quote:

maxkeiser 19 hours ago
it's just whining...
without a precise name/outcome/objective - it's just whining.


Too early?!? Just whining?!?

Americas has grinding poverty for tens of millions and
a fast-collapsing, underwater, debt-slave middle class!!

Maybe it's just too early for well-to-do people like Max.

On Friday, Max also reminded everybody:

Quote:

maxkeiser 23 Sep
@WeAreChangeBriz There is no scam. AGW is real... Has been for
decades. Carbon trading and Al Gore have nothing to do with it.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Twitter Censorship Blocks #OccupyWallStreet
from Top Trending Topic Twice


September 23rd, 2011

On at least two occasions, Saturday September 17th and again on Thursday night, Twitter blocked #OccupyWallStreet from being featured as a top trending topic on their homepage. On both occasions, #OccupyWallStreet tweets were coming in more frequently than other top trending topics that they were featuring on their homepage.

This is blatant political censorship on the part of a company that has recently received a $400 million investment from JP Morgan Chase.

We demand a statement from Twitter on this act of politically motivated censorship.

Will they block #OccupyWallStreet from trending again tomorrow when actions throughout the country will once again flare up?

We shall see. Will have more on this topic soon…

http://ampedstatus.org/twittercensorship-blocks-occupywallstreet-from-top-trending-topic-twice/

LATEST: http://ampedstatus.com/

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read the list of demands by the group and, quite frankly, not very impressed. For instance: buy Federal Reserve (Nationalize).
It sounds like a good idea, but not in the current crisis conditions. For example, FDR did not nationalized Fed, however he extended almost dictatorial control over it.
What we really need for the FED to do now is stop issuing almost free credit for speculators and start issuing long term low to zero percent credit for re-industrialization of the US.
If we to nationalize FED today, we will give over control to a currently fucked-up Congress dominated by Tea-party lunatics who would block any issuance of public credit towards re-industrialization squawking about “free markets” and “balanced budgets”.
Probably the private Federal Reserve under the control of the strong President would be better for the Nation today. (Of course Obama need to go)
So, wouldn’t be surprised if Wall Street occupiers turn out to be under (Soros?) control employing Color Revolution methods perfected in other countires.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The revolution is a people thang.
Not an ideaology thang.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor kids, totally misguided. So, they want “free markets”, “true democracy”, end to “crony capitalism”. They don’t know a first thing about it. First kid was talking about 5,000 GIs killed in Iraq, forgetting hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and dying of DU poisoning, little moron.

Hope nobody is gonna be hurt.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Occupy Wall Street rediscovers the radical imagination
The young people protesting in Wall Street and beyond reject this vain economic order. They have come to reclaim the future


Why are people occupying Wall Street? Why has the occupation – despite the latest police crackdown – sent out sparks across America, within days, inspiring hundreds of people to send pizzas, money, equipment and, now, to start their own movements called OccupyChicago, OccupyFlorida, in OccupyDenver or OccupyLA?

There are obvious reasons. We are watching the beginnings of the defiant self-assertion of a new generation of Americans, a generation who are looking forward to finishing their education with no jobs, no future, but still saddled with enormous and unforgivable debt. Most, I found, were of working-class or otherwise modest backgrounds, kids who did exactly what they were told they should: studied, got into college, and are now not just being punished for it, but humiliated – faced with a life of being treated as deadbeats, moral reprobates.

Is it really surprising they would like to have a word with the financial magnates who stole their future?

Just as in Europe, we are seeing the results of colossal social failure. The occupiers are the very sort of people, brimming with ideas, whose energies a healthy society would be marshaling to improve life for everyone. Instead, they are using it to envision ways to bring the whole system down.

But the ultimate failure here is of imagination. What we are witnessing can also be seen as a demand to finally have a conversation we were all supposed to have back in 2008. There was a moment, after the near-collapse of the world's financial architecture, when anything seemed possible.

Everything we'd been told for the last decade turned out to be a lie. Markets did not run themselves; creators of financial instruments were not infallible geniuses; and debts did not really need to be repaid – in fact, money itself was revealed to be a political instrument, trillions of dollars of which could be whisked in or out of existence overnight if governments or central banks required it. Even the Economist was running headlines like "Capitalism: Was it a Good Idea?"

It seemed the time had come to rethink everything: the very nature of markets, money, debt; to ask what an "economy" is actually for. This lasted perhaps two weeks. Then, in one of the most colossal failures of nerve in history, we all collectively clapped our hands over our ears and tried to put things back as close as possible to the way they'd been before.

Perhaps, it's not surprising. It's becoming increasingly obvious that the real priority of those running the world for the last few decades has not been creating a viable form of capitalism, but rather, convincing us all that the current form of capitalism is the only conceivable economic system, so its flaws are irrelevant. As a result, we're all sitting around dumbfounded as the whole apparatus falls apart.

What we've learned now is that the economic crisis of the 1970s never really went away. It was fobbed off by cheap credit at home and massive plunder abroad – the latter, in the name of the "third world debt crisis". But the global south fought back. The "alter-globalisation movement", was in the end, successful: the IMF has been driven out of East Asia and Latin America, just as it is now being driven from the Middle East. As a result, the debt crisis has come home to Europe and North America, replete with the exact same approach: declare a financial crisis, appoint supposedly neutral technocrats to manage it, and then engage in an orgy of plunder in the name of "austerity".

The form of resistance that has emerged looks remarkably similar to the old global justice movement, too: we see the rejection of old-fashioned party politics, the same embrace of radical diversity, the same emphasis on inventing new forms of democracy from below. What's different is largely the target: where in 2000, it was directed at the power of unprecedented new planetary bureaucracies (the WTO, IMF, World Bank, Nafta), institutions with no democratic accountability, which existed only to serve the interests of transnational capital; now, it is at the entire political classes of countries like Greece, Spain and, now, the US – for exactly the same reason. This is why protesters are often hesitant even to issue formal demands, since that might imply recognising the legitimacy of the politicians against whom they are ranged.

When the history is finally written, though, it's likely all of this tumult – beginning with the Arab Spring – will be remembered as the opening salvo in a wave of negotiations over the dissolution of the American Empire. Thirty years of relentless prioritising of propaganda over substance, and snuffing out anything that might look like a political basis for opposition, might make the prospects for the young protesters look bleak; and it's clear that the rich are determined to seize as large a share of the spoils as remain, tossing a whole generation of young people to the wolves in order to do so. But history is not on their side.

We might do well to consider the collapse of the European colonial empires. It certainly did not lead to the rich successfully grabbing all the cookies, but to the creation of the modern welfare state. We don't know precisely what will come out of this round. But if the occupiers finally manage to break the 30-year stranglehold that has been placed on the human imagination, as in those first weeks after September 2008, everything will once again be on the table – and the occupiers of Wall Street and other cities around the US will have done us the greatest favour anyone possibly can.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"But the ultimate failure here is of imagination."

And what in the hell that's suppose to mean? It is failure of leadership, not fricking imagination. That fuckers in City of London and Wall Street got PLENTY of it, their balance sheets are full of imagination.

Those kids need jobs, but not any paper-pushing job, they need productive high-paying jobs that will allow them to expres their creativity and imagination.

We need leaders that could steer the society into undertaking large-scale productive projects so there would be plenty of the opprotunities for those kids.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What everyone needs to do is stop. Do nothing. Don't work and especially don't shop. We needn't do it for long. One day of no commerce could sent a powerful message to both business and government. The Occupy Wall Street movement could be the catalyst for the big stop.

I would love to go to Wall Street. If I were in NYC I'd be there.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, maybe you're in one of these places...

http://occupytogether.org/

Or maybe you can start your own Occupy group. Sure beats looking at Tottenham-style fire markers all over the map.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Jimbo. Some sort of general strike would do thousand times better than clashing with the police on New York streets.

1. Cancel your subscription to ALL news channels
2. Shop ONLY for necessities, like food avoid buying ANY electronic phone gadgets
3. Don’t buy any soft drinks produced by mega companies, start blending your own juices
4. Stop buying the shit from Mc Donald’s, cook your own food.

General rule: don't buy ANYTHING that is heavily advertised, go back to basics.

But before doing all that we need to agree on set of demands and have some sort of common platform. You can’t just demand “return to democracy” and “more open government”.
Here is a good starting platform: http://tarpley.net/five-point-program.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have often wondered whether this kind of reverse sanctions on the multi-national corps would actually work, or do more harm to ordinary people... because i suspect the wealthiest can manage for a lot longer than everyone else.

even if it were to deal a punishing blow, and obviously a huge message if nothing else, the question still remains - when? this i ask because it is so difficult to get everyone on the same page (divide and conquer has been successful). i don't ask IF, i do ask WHEN, since there must inevitably be a breaking point. that's when civil wars and revolutions begin.

so, the withholding of consumerism as a prevention for the two above actions won't be necessary during such civil wars and revolution. further, since the PTB (or whatever we want to call them) probably foresee armed angry mobs and this current protest on Wall Street as being quite disorganized, they likely worked out plans in advance.

hell, they don't exactly allow their home addresses to be public on any local govt Real Estate GIS site. their houses are owned under LLC's and such. good luck finding them... therefore, i assume they'd be just as inaccessible in all other ways, including consumerist sanctions against them.

i could be wrong.

worst that could happen to them is they hop on their leer jet and move to safer territory... as they always have throughout history, with the exception of a few that get caught and executed.

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