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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: To Save USA, We Must Seek Solutions [Video] Reply with quote

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“To save [the USA], we must seek solutions.”

--Marco Rubio, FL

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“I rise here on the Senate floor today to speak on the tremendous issue that's captivated, and rightfully so, the attention of our country.

“Let me start by saying that I do not enjoy nor relish the partisan role of attack dog. I never found any fun in that. I don’t think it’s constructive. I don't intend to become that here in the Senate.

“I also have only been here for seven months, which means I haven't been here long enough to think any of the stuff that's going on is normal. And I certainly don't think any of the stuff that goes on around here too often is normal. So I think the fact that I've been here seven months has served me well in that regard.

“Let me begin if I can. One of the things that I’ve noticed this week is that Washington is full of people from all over the world and all over the country that have traveled here this week to come and watch their government at work and see the monuments of the city and found themselves in the middle of this debate.

“So I think it’s important to remind people what we're debating because although it is a difficult and important issue, it is not a complicated one to understand. It’s pretty straight forward.

“And here’s the way I would describe it the United States of America more or less -- these are rough numbers but they’re accurate – spends about $300 billion a month. It has $180 billion a month that comes to the federal government through taxes and other sources of revenue and that means that in order to meet its bills at the end of every month it needs to borrow $120 billion.

“Now, for much of the history of this country, there have been increases in the debt limit and the ability to borrow money. But what has happened over the last few years is that it's no longer a routine vote because the people who give us our credit rating are saying too much of the money that you spend every month is borrowed and we want you to show us how over the next ten years you are going to borrow less as a percentage of what you spend.

“And so that's why, for years, where the debt limit was routine vote, it no longer can be. It’s not something that was made up in some conservative think tank. But the reality that we cannot continue to borrow 40% to 41% of every penny that the government spends has brought us to this point.

“So you would think that seeing that, our government and our leaders here in both parties would react to that immediately and work on it.

“And I've heard lot of talk today about delaying tactics and delaying votes. I would argue to you that this issue has been delayed at least for the last two and a half years.

In the two years before I even came here, this chamber neither proposed nor passed a budget. It is a startling figure that for the last two years this government has operated without a budget. So think about that. Two years have gone by without a budget. The first two years that the President was the president, no budgets.

“Some people would say, well, that's because of partisanship in Washington. Well, that's not true. In the two years before I got here, both the House and Senate were controlled by members of the Democratic Party, which are the President's party. In fact, in this chamber for at least one of those two years, 60 votes, 60 out of the 100 members here caucused with the Democrats. And as you recall, on Christmas Eve of the year 2009, they were able to pass a health care bill that was very controversial because they had the 60 votes in the President’s party.

“Over two years, no budget. In fact you know how long it has been since this chamber proposed a budget? Forget passed a budget, proposed a budget? 822 days. That’s a long time. A lot of things have happened in the last 822 days, but proposing a budget is not one of them out of this chamber.

“So then I got here – and we got here in January, seven months have passed, still no budget. Again, not budget passed, proposed, offered. Here's our budget. Still no budget. 822 Days and every single day that I've been here.

“Now, in the last seven days on this debt debate, we have finally seen a proposal from the esteemed senator from Nevada, the majority leader. You would think, has he brought it to the floor to vote? Not until last night. So, again, offered a proposal over the weekend and still for six days we sat around and what did we do around here? Nothing. It was never brought to a vote.

“You would think these issues would have been worked on in January, February, March -- nothing. This chamber has done nothing. You talk about delay tactics? They've been delaying for two and a half years.

“Now the President doesn't have the luxury of some of these things. He has to propose a budget by law, and he did. Let me tell you how ridiculous the budget was. Not a single member of this Senate voted for it, including the Democrats. It is a budget that didn't lead with the debt limit; in fact, it increased the debt. That's how absurd the budget was.

“Where is the President plan? We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it. Here's the President's plan: a blank sheet of paper. He doesn't have a plan. He hasn't offered a plan. Again, if this were a Republican president, I would say the same thing.

“I do not understand how an issue of this magnitude, of generational importance, the President of the United States has not offered a plan. If someone has seen the president's plan, please send it to me because no one else has seen it. It does not exist.

“So this has been the plan all along, by the way. The plan all along was not to take a position, to let the days count down until we got to this point with 72 hours to go and then force a vote on something that they wanted. I believe that that has been the plan the entire time.
And you can see it carrying itself out.

“You want to know why people all across America get grossed out about politics? It’s by watching this kind of stuff happen.

“And instead let me tell you what we’ve seen for the last few days. First of all, for today and for much of this time I have heard all these attacks and name-calling. If we had $1 billion for every time I heard the words "tea party extremist," we could solve this debt problem.

“So all this name-calling, so I said let me read some quotes about this debt limit and I found some pretty extremist quotes.

“Here's one.

“It says, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt.” A quote from a tea party extremist, right? No. This is a quote from March 16 of 2006 from Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

“I found another extremist quote. This one says, "Because this massive of accumulation of debt was predicted, because it was foreseeable, because it was unnecessary, because it was the result of willful and reckless disregard for the warnings that were given and for the fundamentals of economic management, I am voting against a debt limit increase.” Well, that must be from a tea party extremist member of the House, right? No. This is March 16, 2006, from Senator Joe Biden of Delaware.

“And last but not least, here's a quote from September 27 of 2007. It says, "I find it distasteful and disturbing to increase the debt limit yet again. Clearly we need to change course and this debt limit bill is just another reminder of that." And that is from the distinguished Senator from Nevada, the majority leader. On that date in 2007.

“And yet now these same quotes in this context, what we're talking about raising the debt limit more than has ever been raised in one vote, is extremism? This name-calling is absurd and it sets this process back.

“The other thing I hear -- oh, it is not reasonable. This is a waste of time. This bill can't pass the Senate when they talk about the House bill. So now it disqualifies the bill the fact that it can't pass in the Senate.

“Well, guess what? The Senate bill can't pass in the Senate -- the Senate bill can't pass in the Senate.”

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): “Will the Senator yield for a question?”

Sen. Rubio: “Yes, I'll yield.”

Sen. John Kerry: “I thank the Senator for doing that. That's become somewhat unusual in the Senate today. So I truly appreciate it.

“I would ask the Senator, as ironic as it may be that on occasion people in the past have indeed voted against a debt limit -- both Republicans and Democrats alike -- is it not true that in those situations those votes did not hold the nation hostage, did not come at a moment of enormous economic fragility as we are in today, and did not run the risk of default because it was going to pass overwhelmingly every time?

“Is that not true?”

Sen. Rubio: “To the Senator from Massachusetts, I would say two things.

“The first is that those votes -- put it to you this way. If the Senator from Illinois at the time, Senator Obama, had had his way, we'd be in the same position we are in now. Because he had voted against the debt – and I recognize the President has now said that the debt limit is -- he made a mistake and he wouldn't have said that were he here today.

“My point, I would say to the Senator from Massachusetts, is that rhetoric two years ago was not considered extremist language and now that rhetoric, which by the way I have not found. I think it is a myth. There may be a handful of people in the building both in the House and Senate perhaps that believe that the nation doesn't have to raise the debt limit. But by and large everyone recognizes that something must be done about the debt limit.

“What we have also said – I speak for myself. Let me not speak for any other member of this chamber or the next.

“What I have also said is that it would be a terrible mistake to lose this opportunity to do something meaningful about the debt. And that the debt limit gives us an opportunity to do something meaningful about the debt, because the crisis that America faces is not one that I have defined.

“But one that has been defined by the rating houses and rating agencies who have said if you do not get your spending in order, we don't care whether you raise your debt limit or not, we will downgrade you.

“And what that means for every American is an increase in their interest payments.”

Sen. John Kerry: “Will the Senator further yield for a question?”

Sen. Rubio: “Yes.”

Sen. Kerry: “Mr. President I appreciate what the Senator is saying. I would just say first of all that everybody understands the danger of the rating agencies right now.

“The problem is, we got to reach across the aisle and negotiate. We've got to come to agreement. Right now there's not a lot of negotiating going on.

“I would ask the Senator, if he doesn't agree that there is an enormous difference between -- the Senator a moment ago said if he had gotten his way. But the whole point is, everybody knew he wasn't about to get his way. That was a truly symbolic vote.

“Today, however, is it not true we are on the brink of a default and the absence of negotiation or the absence of a settlement presents us with a far more serious consequence to the unwillingness to raise the debt ceiling today?”

Sen. Rubio: “To the Senator from Massachusetts I would say it's impossible to negotiate with someone who doesn't offer a plan. How do you negotiate with someone who will not offer a plan and will not put it on the table?

“But the finger pointing of who has a plan and who doesn't have a plan is relevant, but it's not the central issue here.

“I would also say that in March of this year, March 30 to be exact of this year, I wrote an op-ed piece that ran in The Wall Street Journal and it outlined the things I was looking for to be a part of this debate. And I was told on March of this year that we didn't have enough time to do all those things. Although later on we found out perhaps we did, this grand bargain and I am prepared, as I stand here today, if there is a meeting going on right after this, I'd love to be a part of it.

“I am prepared to discuss the things that I believe we need to do not just to raise the debt limit. Raising the debt limit is the easiest thing. That's one vote away. The hard thing is to show the world we are serious about putting our spending in order so we can show people we'll able to pay our bills down the road.

“And that is a combination of things that I have outlined very clearly, not just on March of this year in The Wall Street Journal, but in repeated speeches on this floor.

“And those are the things, we need to do two things.

“Number one is we need to grow our economy because while the debt is the biggest issue in Washington, jobs are the biggest issue facing America. And if we could get more people back to work, we would have more people paying taxes, and if we had more people paying taxes, we'd have more revenue for government.

“And so that is the first thing we need to do, is figure out how to create jobs in America and I think there is bipartisan agreement on things we can do to do that.

“The President himself mentioned regulatory reform as a necessity in the State of the Union. Let's do it.

“We've all talked about tax reform. Flattening and simplifying our tax code. And if there are things in that tax code that do not belong there because they are the product of good lobbying instead of good policy, then let's go after those things. We’ve talked about that. Let's talk about that.

“I think we all agree that there has to be some changes in discretionary spending, but we also agree that doesn't solve the problem. That's a small piece of our overall budget. That we have to save Medicare because it goes bankrupt if we leave it the way it is. That we have to save Medicaid because it goes bankrupt if we leave it the way it is.

“And I can tell you that history will back up what I'm about to say and that is that there is no government run by conservatives, Republicans, put whoever you want there, if you give government the opportunity to spend more money than it has, it will do it. It will do it every time.

“That's why I believe there are at least 20 members of the Senate in the other party who have supported some version of the balanced budget amendment and yet it's something we cannot even get a vote on much less discuss in the Senate.

“So I believe there can be compromise on those outlines but here's the last thing I would say.

“I believe my time is about to expire so let me close with this.

“Compromise is fantastic.

“I would love nothing more than to leave this building tomorrow night having said the republic still works. I was able to stand shoulder to shoulder with people from states far from mine with views different from mine but who love their country so much that we were able to come together and save it when it faced this catastrophe.

“I would love nothing more than compromise. But I would say to you that compromise that's not a solution is a waste of time.

“If my house was on fire, I can't compromise about which part of the house I'm going to save. You save the whole house or it will all burn down.

We either save this country or we do not.

“And to save it, we must seek solutions.


http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/sen-rubio-save-the-whole-house

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just announced: Obama will speak in the White House briefing room at 8:40,

Which can only mean he’s signed off on the deal. And if that’s true, then
Pelosi’s already signed off too. The leadership’s bringing intense pressure
on the Democratic caucus to play ball tomorrow by going public tonight.


@jpodhoretz - John Podhoretz
Horns of a dilemma for Satan sandwich haters in the House: if House
Dems refuse to vote for the deal, they destroy the Obama presidency
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Excerpts from Boehner conference
call - with House Republicans
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http://www.speaker.gov/UploadedFiles/3-7-31-11-Debt-Framework-Boehner.pdf

“The press has been filled with reports all day about an agreement.
There’s no agreement until we’ve talked to you.

There is a framework in place that would cut spending by a larger amount than we raise the debt limit, and cap future spending to limit the growth of government. It would do so without any job-killing tax hikes. And it would also guarantee the American people the vote they have been denied in both chambers on a balanced budget amendment, while creating, I think, some new incentives for past opponents of a BBA to support it.”

“My hope would be to file it and have it on the floor as soon as possible. I realize that’s not ideal, and I apologize for it. But after I go through it, you’ll realize it’s pretty much the framework we’ve been operating in.”

“Since Day One of this Congress, we’ve gone toe-to-toe with the Obama Administration and the Democrat-controlled Senate on behalf of our people we were sent here to represent.”

“Remember how this all started: the White House demanded a “clean” debt limit hike with no spending cuts and reforms attached. We stuck together, and frankly made them give up on that.”

“Then they shifted to demanding a “balanced” approach – equal parts spending cuts and tax hikes. With this framework, they’ve given up on that, too.”

“I’m gonna tell you, this has been a long battle – we’ve fought valiantly – and frankly we’ve done it by listening to the American people. And as a result, our framework is now on the table that will end this crisis in a manner that meets our principles of smaller government.”

“Now listen, this isn’t the greatest deal in the world. But it shows how much we’ve changed the terms of the debate in this town.


http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/31/deal-watch-yes-or-no/

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I gotta agree with Rubio. It doesn't take away the fact that it has been "pants on fire" since Obama took office, one too-big-to-fail corporation after the other, and that all this goes back to bad lending practices (and subsequent hot-potato tossing of over-leveraged, worthless "investments")... When credit is cheaper and easier to get than cash, people prefer "buy now, pay later" behavior. Eventually, the honeymoon ends. Individuals, families, Main Street, and even some bigger corporations.

I'm not a Tea Party person... in fact, I don't know what the hell I am, politically. What I do know is that the greedy in our country made some very bad agreements over the decades. And greed is what will fuck up a situation, regardless if we're talking mega-corps' tax gimme's or some Baby-Daddy who won't marry the Momma so she can get her Section 8 rental paid.

But, yeah, this debt issue must be addressed - not just by govt, but by all us individuals too. Unfotunately, those who have been fiscally careful all their lives are also gonna face hardships. (Unless you're a billionaire... But I'd say even "petty millionaires" will feel a hit shortly. A million bucks doesn't go that far these days.)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedMahna wrote:
Well, I gotta agree with Rubio.


You can agree with his words but in fact t Rubio is as greedy and as deeply in the corporate pocket as anyone in D.C.

The rich are getting away with robbery and if they were taxed fairly the fiscal problems would be much less.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that could save the Nation (and perhaps the rest of the world) is return to American Constitutional Credit system where Money creation is controlled by the Federal Congress and new money issuances are backed by large scale productive, science-driven projects.
We could start by:
1. Bankrupt Wall Street by reinstating FDR Glass-Steagall law and force them to use Mark-to-Market accounting (not the Mark-to-fantasy they use right now)
2. Curbing the speculation by introducing 1% Financial turnover tax (Wall Street Sales tax)
3. Nationalizing Federal Reserve
4. Starting issuing 1-trillion dollar trenches Productive Credit to rebuild infrastructure
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are at war; the Enemy is City of London and Wall Street and their vast propaganda machine. To start any meaningful recovery we need first to destroy them. You could start by destroying the residue of their years-old neo-liberal propaganda in your own minds.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know when politician, or blogger or anybody else is full of shit when they start talking about the following:”issues”:
“Free Trade” – something invented by British in 19th century to justify their drug-pushing operation in China. We do not need ‘free trade”, we need national self-sufficiency in food, energy and other crucial commodities. If necessary, protectionist tariffs are totally justified to support local industries
“Free Market” – Free from any governmental supervision to loot the population at will. They push the idea that modern civilization could have a “free market” without strong and healthy National government – good luck.
“Small Government” we do not need “small” government, we need adequate government to the size of the population and free of undue influence of any private interests, specifically Wall Street, and more specifically, House of Morgan (or JPMorgan as they call themselves)
“Gold is Money” – wrong! Pushed by the people who cornered the PM markets and probably stripped the Fort Knox of any reserves by now. Gold could be a valuable PART of the Nations Capital Stock, but just that.

“Balanced budget” for the consumption of brain-dead idiots. Balanced budget means that National government does not issue ANY credit for National Development – forcing the productive industries to get enslaved by private banking cartels.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was never really a danger of US Default – with all their love for the free markets Wall Street is too dependent on Uncle Sam paying its bills, they won’t allow that.
The whole horse and pony show is a massive attack on FDRs New Deal policies giving Obama a cover to sell out again. The Supercommittee or Supercongress guarantees entitlement cuts of genocidal proportions.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody is trying to project the family (or small business) budget into running a modern society like US – it is totally irrelevant. Human societies on the scale of the US has completely different potential and dynamics than the small units like family or small business. Those comparisons to stacked $100 bills are absolutely meaningless and design to mislead the population in believing that dirty cut paper has any real value – it don't.
To me the current deficits is NOT the deficit of “money”, but rather the deficit of brains in the majority of the US population, especially the Baby boomers. It is deficits of fresh thinking, inspiration and true believes in their creative powers.
Look at this mumbling professor-idiot in the video above - truly disgusting.
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There is a real dangerous tendency around the poor brainwashed population in general and visitors of this particular site to lay the blame on the government. And the way the US government is behaving lately is totally understandable. The real question is what is alternative?
It is easier for me, born in Russia, lived in US for many years and now living on the Caribbean island to put things into perspective. For instance, Russia was many times better off under the rule of the iron-clad hand of USSR than under the anarchy and orgy of looting that came with Eltsin and his “free-market” reformers inspired by the Chicago boyz. Only with iron-clad hand of Putin thing started to improve somewhat, but are still far from what they have been under the USSR.
I do not defend the way of Soviet Russia – it was far from ideal. But what came after was much, much worse.
The US is in an unique position in a sense that it still has a Federal Constitution, at least on the books, which is RADICALLY different from any European one.
You have to consider government not as a sinister enemy, but rather a field of battle between the Creative powers of Universe and humankind and the Forces of Entropy, Chaos and destruction as represented by the City of London and Wall Street.
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Take Libya for instance. The image of Muammar Gaddafi, heavily tarnished by Western propaganda, does not inspire the western liberal minds, but let’s take a closer look.
Libya before the new colonial war under humanitarian cover was by far the most developed nation on the African continent. Nurse, for instance, was making an average of $30K a year. New family was getting a onetime assistance of 50K (US) upon getting married to start a new household. Libya built the largest in the world water irrigation project – the Great Man Made River – costing in excess of 30 billion dollars.
And what Western powers bring to the table? Destruction and chaos support for so-called rebels heavily comprised from Al Qaida terrorists, all time at each other throats, calling NATO airstrikes on each other.
Now NATO is bombing bridges, hospitals, TV Stations and I believe threatened to bomb the Great Man made River.
Chaos, destruction and the triumph of the Second Law
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"Broke As a Joke" as well as "Thick As a Brick."
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