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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Let Your Kids Do Dangerous Things [Video] Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reminds of when i was four years old , and my father teaching me about trust, he stood me on top of the wardrobe, and told me to jump, that he would catch me, i trustingly leapt from the height expectently to my fathers arms, but no i hit the floor with a hard thud, and was told, "that'll teach you to trust no c#*nt.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

somehow, the over-protection of anything including our kids seems to be a handy device to make more work for lawyers. certainly the involvement of children goes over best in any sale.

we have been putting little janey and johnny in the bubble for a few decades now.

oh hey, our town has a microcinema that plays a Ted Talks segment every Wednesday. and then we stay for a discussion afterwards. neat stuff.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent stuff.

Tomorrow me and my son are going to get into my tool shed and deconstruct a few items lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion on early stage conditioning;

Heres my add:
http://www.resiliencycenter.com/articles/goodchildsyndrome.shtml
Overcoming The "Good Child" Syndrome*

Al Siebert, PhD


A major barrier to developing strong resiliency skills comes from being trained to be a "good boy" or a "good girl." The basis for most "good child" messages comes from what parents do not want their children to become. Everyone knows about people who cause problems and drain energy from others when they:

* complain all the time
* hurt others
* act in highly selfish ways
* lie, cheat, and steal
* feel and act superior to everyone else
* refuse to cooperate


Thus it is that the "good child" syndrome undercuts survivor resiliency. There is a serious flaw in their training. A person raised to be a good child is emotionally handicapped outside the structured environment they were raised in. Such a person does not learn from experience, suppresses paradoxical traits, avoids empathy, and has a desynergistic affect on others. Although they mean well, this not a person you want to have in charge of something important.


Anyone trying to act like a good child is vulnerable to be overwhelmed when faced with challenges beyond the capacities of the act they were trained to perform. This is why "good," well-behaved, white, middle-class young people, when faced with real world problems, are so vulnerable to cults. After years of being praised for good conduct in school, it feels familiar to again sit passively in uncomfortable chairs without being allowed to go to the bathroom or get a drink of water until given permission. It feels familiar to passively sit and listen to an authoritative person tell them how to think, feel, and act in order to be a new kind of good noun.

Survivor resiliency, in contrast, is not a way of being that can be learned from someone else. It is not a consciously constructed new act designed to replace an old one. Rather, it is the emergence of innate abilities made possible by learning from experience. It is self-discovered, not taught. It unfolds from within as emotionally constricting prohibitions are loosened. The good child syndrome is to act as a good noun should, while the survivor style is to interact according to the effects of what one does.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: The Good Fox Reply with quote

speaking of developmental conditioning....The Good Fox

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: The Good Fox=adrenal gland suppressed Foxes. Reply with quote

The Good Fox=adrenal gland suppressed Foxes.

Ref above fox Video:
I wonder if the foxes diets included adrenal suppressing foods, such as wheat, corn and soy. Amid a basket of other food we "adrenal suppressed humans" eat so regularly....like:

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/adrenal-fatigue-syndrome-dietary
Foods to AVOID include:
All foods containing refined sugar or artificial sugar-substitutes such as aspartame, Splenda®, etc. Choose a natural sweetener like Xylosweet instead.
All simple or refined carbohydrates (white bread, pasta, cookies, cakes, crackers, etc.) – Read more about good carbs and bad carbs.
Foods high in potassium since they make adrenal fatigue worse (bananas, all melons, dried figs, raisins, dates, oranges, grapefruit, etc.)
Excessive caffeine intake – While moderate amounts of caffeine may be beneficial, excessive consumption of caffeine can disrupt the body’s systems, causing insomnia and irregularity (constipation or diarrhea)
Alcoholic beverages in excess since they hinder the functioning of the immune and energy production systems
Fermented foods such as cheese and wine
Fungi such as mushrooms
Pickled foods

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: the time is nigh Reply with quote

As per the video, it took about 10 generations for the selective breeding of the foxes to exhibit the ancillary traits associated with depressed adrenalin levels.

In human terms, a Lysenko-type eugenics program might take 200 years or so to produce malleable and compliant humans.....well we can see from our current situation in the world that that scenario has yet to come to pass.

OTOH, how has human "development" (in an evolutionary sense) progressed during recorded history? Based on historical references, we appear to be remarkably stable (stuck in a rut might be more appropriate) if somewhat consigned to continuously repeating the same fundamental errors on a generational basis. Just why is this?

Recognition is pretty much reserved for the latest flash-in-the-pan to be over-exposed and we do the same for world events. Our attention spans are limited and overly specific. Context and meaning are in short supply. We are continually surprised by events yet they are pretty much repeats of what happened 25, 50, 100 or even 200 years prior (and on and on, anon).

We are bending to our need to be in the present moment but we are just starting to raise our vibratory rate such that our conscious awareness can encompass and engage with our environment. The internet and instant communication/exchange is the catalyst that will propel us into the next level. We are seeing this in the Arab states as the greatest pressure is exerted on the most polarized areas.

This is part and parcel of the evolution of consciousness and the Maya described this situation precisely. As we ride the waves, we will rise and fall with each swell until such time as we arrive on our shore and start anew the inhabiting of the next level. This is why we have to push our children to expand their horizons and investigate their reality. Complacency has to be bred out of us and that can take a while as we have been small and vulnerable for a very long time.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: the time is nigh Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
As per the video, it took about 10 generations for the selective breeding of the foxes to exhibit the ancillary traits associated with depressed adrenalin levels.

In human terms, a Lysenko-type eugenics program might take 200 years or so to produce malleable and compliant humans.....well we can see from our current situation in the world that that scenario has yet to come to pass.
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It is my assertion that as we planted crops and domesticated animals; we were inadvertently domesticating ourselves. As our domesticated populations grew; the few remaining wild/hairy/beastly/high on adrenaline humans were eliminated as they were a threat to the new peoples control through "domestication".

The domesticated fox still has teeth and hair but he is that much more malleable than his forefather as we humans continue to become that much more domestic as each generation follows.

What is the difference between a wild boar and a domesticated pig?...Hair, adrenaline and diet.

There a link between wheat and mental disorders and the disorders are growing.

Between the increase of anxiety pumped through the media; the increased intake of complex carbs such as wheat, corn and soy; our adrenal disorders are growing.

We can see the shifts between our generation and the generations that preceded us and the children who are now following us. The kids barely play outside anymore. For a kid to play in the woods these days is like a moon walk of yesterday. The kids have no interest and many parents are too anxious/scared to even allow them. In my observations; we have become that much more domestic.

Whether the grand Mayan cycles are describing this shift or not; it is has already happened and is still happening to dangerous proportions. We are becoming humanoid robot slaves....or are we already?...lol!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: the time is nigh Reply with quote

Peter wrote:

This is part and parcel of the evolution of consciousness and the Maya described this situation precisely. As we ride the waves, we will rise and fall with each swell until such time as we arrive on our shore and start anew the inhabiting of the next level. This is why we have to push our children to expand their horizons and investigate their reality. Complacency has to be bred out of us and that can take a while as we have been small and vulnerable for a very long time.


Maybe the shift in consciousness that the Mayan foretold was one of going back to the woods...at least metaphorically as we shift to a more natural and sustainable way of life that honors "nature's longstanding way" over our new contrived version.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: principal principles Reply with quote

I concur with your assertion.

Part of the process was to heighten our survival skills in an "enclosed" environment. This is why "civilized" peoples always tended to eliminate any rivals to expansion that were peaceful or weak. The awareness that we were eventually to become close enough to communicate rapidly provides an impetus for competition. For space, for resources and even for rank. The rational intellect allows the ego to compare and therefore to determine how it fits into any given situation. Sadly, being on top came with dominance and exploitation.

A return to the source (and not external encouragement) will provide an infinite quantity of space, so that is where we are headed. In an infinite environment, adequate and instantaneous communication becomes the key to evolution and survival. Those that remain stuck in the mire will never manage to free themselves from the prison of their own making. Knowing that you can differentiate between the stagnation of memorial accumulation and the evolution of creative disposition is all the awareness that is required. As the passage of time accelerates with our ability to assimilate and transmit the science of our source, so will our capacity to direct our efforts where they will do the most good.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well CG you sure expanded the topic of the intial video
into a vital discussion of the broader issues.

In the broadest terms we are expeniencing the dynamics of the
grand battle between the mass collective and the individual.

The 'village' is/was the previous level of cooperative human system.
Within that domain the adrenally-vigorous individual could still shine.

But the development of the mass collective enabled a quantum leap
in capability of the human species --through regimented specialization.
The individual was all but subsumed into specialization types: name,
rank, serial number and 'carreer'.

The currently-emerging global collective features a re-emergence
of the individual--pitted against the dominant mass collective ethos.

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