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Azoth
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 Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: c |
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| Might that be just one aspect or so called vector? As in other types of particles. But I've been following LA's station which hasn't soared as expected. Should I say yet or knock on wood? |
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duaneh
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IronClad
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse#p/u/4/JAUY-Y3Kiek
This guy is clever in joining up the conspiracy theories [true mysteries] and providing the answers or its boloney.
We are so full of theories that if we met the truth would we recognise it.
The dots are all joined up here but is there a totally innocent explaination for it all without any there being any common factor?
Hurricane Erin just happened to be there 1-15 Sept 2001, right |
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:48 am Post subject: c |
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Some say dutch pot man is a shill. Seems to have some good stuff tho.
edit; with slow connection i'm only half way through this. but this is an entirely different take than what I've come across. so far, no mention of the stuxnet virus, reactors that are no longer there(!), electricity that was Not needed due to steam back up, twas Not a 9.0 quake but around 6.7; which was amped up to explain away damage extent, no mention of dubious agency allowed access shortly before it all went up, curious "cameras" in facilities which may have been nukes, the idea that Japan was going to work with Iran regarding uranium enrichment which certain groups did not want, yadda.
Interesting about the methane layer, as like under the Gulf. Recall, if possible, my paranoid thinking on this. But I'd have to think that IF stuxnet was used there was some foul play by default.... so mayhaps it wasn't, as it's then too obvious. But the big boys seem to have taken off their gloves in these past years. Yadda.
Well, we do wonder how all this will tie into increasing space weather's effects. There's a chance that "all this" may be Because of space weather and it's effects (on consciousness etc). More of the status quo thing...
Who remembers the band Status Quo?
If you're at his page you could check out vid,
"8/3/2011 -- a FULL recap of California Volcanic event = a message to anyone skeptical"
His "hobby" seems to be monitoring various sensor stations etc. I like his findings and they seem to ultimately (imo) reflect the influx of plasma...
What I find slightly odd is that some of this stuff must be relatively short lived....yet he manages to spot them. |
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atm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Can we attempt to try to re-start this discussion, given it's one year and a bit on? I've noticed that a certain Texan shock jock is all over it again like a cheap suit, as are others.
This from today's (good?) news:
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Gov't to revise evacuation zones in 3 Fukushima municipalities
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The government decided Friday to revise its designation of evacuation zones in three municipalities near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in April, after the March 2011 accident forced nearby residents to evacuate their hometowns, government officials said.
How the government classifies areas in Fukushima Prefecture according to radiation contamination and sets evacuation zones will be revised for the three municipalities of Minamisoma and Tamura cities and Kawauchi village.
This is the first such revision since the nuclear accident occurred and will lift the evacuation order for parts of the three municipalities included in the current no-go zone within a 20-kilometer radius from the plant.
Of 11 municipalities affected by evacuation directives and advisories, eight other municipalities have yet to agree with the central government on the reclassification designed to promote the return of evacuees to safe zones.
In zones where radiation levels exceed 50 millisieverts per year and are expected to remain at or above 20 millisieverts over the next five years, the return of evacuees will be designated as difficult. The government's current yardstick for evacuation is 20 millisieverts a year.
In zones with radiation levels between 20 and 50 millisieverts, there will only be a limited return of resident. In those with radiation levels of 20 millisieverts or less, preparations will be made for lifting an evacuation order.
In these latter zones, the order will be lifted as soon as infrastructure is restored and enough progress is made in decontaminating schools and other public facilities.
Soon after the March 11 nuclear plant disaster, the government first issued an evacuation directive for residents within a 20-kilometer radius from the plant. Later, however, it designated areas with high radiation levels outside the no-go zone as emergency evacuation preparation areas where residents were required to evacuate within one month.
(Mainichi Japan) March 31, 2012
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20120331p2g00m0dm023000c.html
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:50 am Post subject: c |
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Hmm...
I too have been hearing from several sources that this is still the nightmare come true. That due to accumulation, the entire northern hemisphere will eventually be contaminated.
Heard an interview of Jay Weidner, who's got some fringe type books out etc. But he said that as he lives in the US northwest he's been following the whole thing... "his" take was that the reactors, combined, are emitting the equivalent of a neutron bomb every two hours.
There's also that org Natural Solutions who constantly haarp as to what's coming down the pike due to this. They seem extreme sometimes but that may be needed these days.
I myself still check a monitoring station based in LA and it's (still) around the 30's-50's. Altho before or right after the incident it was in the 20's-30's.
Just think what it'll be like in 5 years if nothing changes. They are saying it can't be stopped.
The gulf situation hasn't all of a sudden mended itself either. They are using GMO bacteria to eat the oil.........
Clever this. Until you ponder the impact on food chains. All this together kinda sounds like scorched earth by some rogue group. |
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atm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: Fukushima: Nuke The Fear |
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British scientific adviser: nothing to fear outside of Fukushima exclusion zone
British scientific adviser: nothing to fear outside of Fukushima exclusion zone
Lee Jay Walker
Modern Tokyo Times
The British Embassy in Tokyo on March 15th invited the Government’s Chief Scientific Professor, Sir John Beddington, to answer deep and difficult questions related to the Fukushima nuclear power plant. Sir John Beddington replied and gave detailed information about the most likely outcome and his opinion about events which have been reported in the press.
This article is based on the questions and answers which were given.
Therefore, it is hoped that people will listen to Sir John Beddington and heed his advice because a lot of information and disinformation appears to be going around and this is adding to the confusion of Fukushima.
The Japanese government implemented a 20km exclusion zone from the Fukushima nuclear plant and for people who reside between 20 and 30kms the advice was that people should keep their windows closed and stay inside.
According to Sir John Beddington this advice is proportionate and appropriate to the current events in Fukushima.
Therefore, he is vindicating the Japanese government and the answer and question session will now be scrutinized in greater detail.
The First Minister at the British Embassy in Tokyo, David Fitton, was the moderator during the teleconference which took place with Sir John Beddington.
David Fitton started by commenting that it was important that people listened to the views of an expert and his fellow colleagues because it helps the British Embassy in Tokyo to express much needed advice.
He also acknowledged that guidance was also being provided by Japanese professionals but stressed that guidance in the United Kingdom was important “on scientific, nuclear, geological and other issues.”
Sir John Beddington immediately focused on the crux of the matter and he stated that “the Japanese are trying to keep the reactors cool by pumping sea water that will keep the temperature down; that’s their first line of defence. And up to now that’s been working… reasonably well. Basically the reactor lies within a large containment vessel. But if it isn’t cooled particularly well, then the pressure in the containment vessel goes up and it reaches a level where it can’t cope.”
Sir John Beddington continues by stating that “At that stage the Japanese authorities deliberately release a mixture of steam and hydrogen gas and so on into the atmosphere. This is really quite modest amounts of radioactive material and it’s not likely, by and large, one shouldn’t be concerned about it.”
He continued by stating that events had changed because one of the containment vessels appears to be somewhat cracked but the situation remains mainly the same. Sir John Beddington also commented that the outcome of containing this situation led to“very limited amounts of radioactive material going out.”
Sir John Beddington agreed that the 20km exclusion zone was adequate but he did add that 30km would be extremely safe. However, it is clear that he believes that the 20km exclusion zone is “sensible and proportionate.”
He then talked about the worst possible outcome and scenario if a “meltdown” actually happened. Sir John Beddington commented that this would be serious, but, importantly, he stressed that this would only be serious for the local area surrounding the nuclear plant in Fukushima.
Even if a meltdown occurred and you had an explosion then the nuclear material would reach roughly 500 meters into the air. If you add this, he continued, to negative weather conditions which blew into the direction of Greater Tokyo and then rainfall would bring it down then would this then create a major problem?
Sir John Beddington was clear about the answer because he stated “The answer is unequivocally no. Absolutely no issue. The problems are within 30km of the reactor.”
After this he commented about Chernobyl and how the situation was much more dramatic because radiation from this nuclear plant lasted for months but even then the 30km exclusion zone was adequate because people outside of this had no problems with radiation.
He also stressed that the problem with Chernobyl was because people kept on drinking the water and eating vegetables within the area of contamination.
Sir John Beddington stressed “…what I would really re-emphasise is that this is very problematic for the area and the immediate vicinity and one has to have concerns for the people working there. Beyond that 20 or 30 kilometres, it’s really not an issue for health.”
Many other questions were asked and answered and a link to the entire transcript will be given at the end of this article. However, at all times, it appears that the British point of view is that Tokyo is very safe and the same applies to all areas outside of the exclusion zone of the Fukushima nuclear plant but 30km was mentioned to be extremely safe, therefore, the exclusion zone may be added if developments become severe and meltdown actually happens.
http://moderntokyotimes.com
http://ukinjapan.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=566799182 -
Please read the entire transcript at the above given link.
The British Embassy in Tokyo http://ukinjapan.fco.gov.uk/en/
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And, to my mind things have improved. These are the Japanese, not some TV repairmen from Thailand.
Comments are most welcome
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: c |
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Tokyo Times(!)?
"After this he commented about Chernobyl and how the situation was much more dramatic because radiation from this nuclear plant lasted for months but even then the 30km exclusion zone was adequate because people outside of this had no problems with radiation."
That's why folks in Scandinavia were finding rads in wild animals. That's a tad more than 30 miles.
Nothing was mentioned of the dirty water.... Nothing mentioned of the sea animals up near Alaska with all sorts of skin pathologies.
I guess accumulation residue is moot after all. Check. |
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atm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: Fukushima: Nuke The Fear |
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The anti-nuclear lovvies: give me a break.
Serious discussion, please
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: c |
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| Yeah, I guess their geiger counters were off. Guess the skin pathologies were from poison ivy or something. I didn't read this but was told by a guy who lives in Poland. But he's of course an agent. The sea creatures of Alaska must be getting into other types of waste then. So glad to know there's no major drift to worry about at all. Thanks! Guess I could move to N. Cali after all.... |
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atm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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The Greens have a new, dusted off BS agenda.
Climate change spectacularly failed, partly thanks to the likes of us.
Now it's all anti-nuclear hyperbole, despite there being no threat from modern nuclear tech.
Now, where have I come across that anti-nuke crap before?
Remember that once we were told that we would all freeze to death - the 70's/80's paradigm - or that perhaps we shall all be burnt to a cinder (the 90's/noughties paradigm).
Join the dots. They don't.
Therein lies the answer
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: c |
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Fair enough. I do agree that with all the constant alarms the sky still hasn't fallen, so to speak.
But we think there might be something amiss with those sea creatures off Alaska. If it's not rads it may be due to the collecting of industrial toxins or something else altogether. Someone suggested that they were all sick beforehand and tend to amass in that region for whatever reason.
Well then, do you know anything about this org called Natural Solutions? It's those three characters, Gen Stubblebine and company. However you spell that. But they are constantly Yelling the sky is falling in rads and gmo's. |
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Continuity
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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*Stubblebine* et al?! 
You just *know* that if that crowd are yelling 'go over there' then you're always best off running away on a course as close to 180 degrees as you can.
The 'staring at goats' and 'Jedi soldiers' bits of Stubs' legend are pretty amusing and weird though, I'll admit - I wonder if that's 'limited hangout' or just complete bullshit.
I know that I'd rather live next-door to a modern design, properly-run nuclear power plant than I would a coal-fired one.
Burning coal this way actually releases *far* more rads into the environment than does nuclear power.
As far as bioaccumulation goes, it's not really a big worry as the nastiest rad stuff biologically, the Strontium, Caesium and Iodines etc. only have short half-lives, meaning that they lose most of their 'hotness' in a matter of weeks/months.
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Azoth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: c |
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| You're indicating you're familiar with this particular outfit (Natural Solutions)? |
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atm
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I guess this thread is dead, again.
Good try, Continuity but, no-one seems to be listening to us.
What a shame. Perhaps this YTV will elevate their thinking (it is dated August 2011):
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