One of Jung’s greatest discoveries is what he called “the reality of the
psyche,” by which he means that the psyche exists in its own right, in its
own open-ended sphere of seemingly unlimited influence.
To quote Jung, “The psychic is a phenomenal world in itself, which can be
reduced neither to the brain nor to metaphysics” (Note: “psychic” is
used throughout this article as the adjective form of “psyche” and not
with any parapsychological connotation).
Jung is using the word “psyche” in an all-inclusive sense, as he means the
totality of all psychic processes, both conscious and unconscious. Jung
says, “[i]For me, the psyche is an almost infinite phenomenon. I absolutely
don’t know what it is in itself and know only very vaguely what it is
not.”[ii]
The psyche is not an epiphenomenon of biochemical processes in the
brain, however, as it cannot be reduced to physical matter, or anything
other than itself for that matter. Instead of the matter of the brain being
the source of the psyche, to quote Jung, “We might well say, on the
contrary, that physical existence is a mere inference, since we know of
matter only in so far as we perceive psychic images.”[iii]
The psyche can’t be factored out of our experience of either matter, or
metaphysics, as it is inseparable from and connects both the seemingly
opposite physical and metaphysical realms. Any physical or metaphysical
experiences are mediated by the psyche by virtue of both of them
essentially arising out of and being experiences within the psyche.
Jung states, “Metaphysical assertions, however, are statements of the
psyche…It is the psyche which, by the divine creative power inherent in it,
makes the metaphysical assertion; it posits the distinctions between
metaphysical entities.
Not only is it the condition of all metaphysical reality, it is that reality.”[iv].....
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:41 am Post subject:
Life is weird in a good way.
Let's just say I was thinking,
"It would be awesome if
Fintan did another audio
with Levy"...
Here it is.
Fuckin' A'
People are catching onto this stuff.
Even the best ( or self-proclaimed "enlightened")
of us drift in and out of awareness.
This will catch on one day, and I have
yet to hear anything creepy or cult-like.
Life simply as it is: A dream. A very real dream.
Not all that 'out there' when you think about it.
Though Fintan and Paul have
a boatload to say, they
never come off as $$-hungry
Gurus.
i.e. perfect match for a inspirational interview!
Waaaaay beyond 'The Secret' guys. Good show!
Excellent Audio!...Busy weekend. I have been looking forward to listening to this one; but really too worn out to fully appreciate. Will have to listen again.
Thank you Fintan & Paul! _________________ It has been said that "curiosity" killed the cat but it might be more accurately stated that "seriousity" killed the cat.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: See what I mean?
Nice interview and nice contribution to the discourse.
Lucidity is the result of the expression of our existence as the outpouring of light from our source through the prism of our person, into reality, as we perceive it.
There are so many paths (one for each of us) that all lead to the eventual realization of our essence as a material manifestation of our psychic energy. The psychic mass is the inertial reference frame, through which our perception generated awareness serves to provide us with the relational perspective to create and co-create our personal and common reality. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject:
I think thats probably one of the greatest conversations ive ever
had the fortune to be a 'part' of, to experience. It was strange listening
to some academic on the radio today talking bout his new book about
'what not' etc.
thanks Fintan and Paul.
Encore please.
Im not a fan of the word 'reality' anymore though.
I/ve thrown that word around alot in the past and
it doesnt feel right anymore. It has dominant tones
to it.
'lucidity' is resonating with me now.
For if we are to awaken in the dream
then lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,
non academic, non ego, jus being.
'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'
lucidity- clarity: free from obscurity and easy to
understand; the comprehensibility of clear
expression a lucid state of mind; not confused _________________ I can see through you.
Some people see you.
To me you're just see-thru
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: Light is more than a word.
The greatest impediment to the unhindered and uninhibited transmission of the light of our spirit (the vibration that defines lucidity for me but that can and undoubtedly will change) is the belief that the form is both unique and defined by its existence.
Science tells us that no two objects can occupy the same space at the same time. What they don't mention is frequency and that is the key to realizing that any form is subject to the requirement of the frequency of the energy that fills it. The material manifestation lacks both frequency and direction, but their instauration are provided by our conscious awareness.
Lucidity is what you know, reality is what you perceive and illusion is what you believe. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos.
Certainly one of the most enjoyable interviews for me.
Quote:
Arkestra:
'lucidity' is resonating with me now.
For if we are to awaken in the dream then
lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,
non academic, non ego, just being.
'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'
lucidity- clarity: free from obscurity and easy to
understand; the comprehensibility of clear
expression a lucid state of mind; not confused
A great meme to introduce at this time.
In a time of confusion, uncertainty and even hysteria,
it occurs me that "stillness" is the key quality of mind
countering that fever and fostering lucidity.
Quote:
Peter:
Lucidity is what you know,
reality is what you perceive and
illusion is what you believe.
Nailed. _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
Certainly one of the most enjoyable interviews for me.
Quote:
Arkestra:
'lucidity' is resonating with me now.
For if we are to awaken in the dream then
lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,
non academic, non ego, just being.
'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'
lucidity- clarity: free from obscurity and easy to
understand; the comprehensibility of clear
expression a lucid state of mind; not confused
A great meme to introduce at this time.
In a time of confusion, uncertainty and even hysteria,
it occurs me that "stillness" is the key quality of mind
countering that fever and fostering lucidity.
Quote:
Peter:
Lucidity is what you know,
reality is what you perceive and
illusion is what you believe.
Nailed.
Some of my favorite collection of posts!
Further dialogue on the subject...Ken Wilber has his critics but I can't deny his ability to communicate some profound perspectives.
<object><param><param><param _________________ It has been said that "curiosity" killed the cat but it might be more accurately stated that "seriousity" killed the cat.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject:
In my examination of the Universe, I seem to keep coming back to 'Bucky' for explanations.
There are no solids. There are no things. There are only interfering and noninterfering patterns operative in pure principle, and principles are eternal.
The physical is inherently entropic, giving off energy in ever more disorderly ways. The metaphysical is antientropic, methodically marshalling energy. Life is antientropic. It is spontaneously inquisitive. It sorts out and endeavors to understand.
We are now synergetically forced to conclude that all phenomena are metaphysical; wherefore, as many have long suspected — like it or not — "life is but a dream."
The wellspring of reality is the family of weightless generalized principles.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject:
GaryN wrote:
In my examination of the Universe, I seem to keep coming back to 'Bucky' for explanations.
There are no solids. There are no things. There are only interfering and noninterfering patterns operative in pure principle, and principles are eternal.
The physical is inherently entropic, giving off energy in ever more disorderly ways. The metaphysical is antientropic, methodically marshalling energy. Life is antientropic. It is spontaneously inquisitive. It sorts out and endeavors to understand.
We are now synergetically forced to conclude that all phenomena are metaphysical; wherefore, as many have long suspected — like it or not — "life is but a dream."
The wellspring of reality is the family of weightless generalized principles.
Spot on!
Experience is our expression of those principles.
Conscious awareness is our perception of those principles.
Evolution is the application of those principles to manifest the transmission of (psychic) energy from an entropic system to an anti-entropic (intelligent) state. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos.
Ken Wilber:
So, you wanna get a sense of
"I am"-ness, stripped of objects.
A slippery slope leading down to a chasm
into which Wilber has already fallen.
Apologies to anybody who takes Wilber on face value, but I find
his underlying psychological dynamics are rather transparent.
The "Big Mind" which Wilber refers to is his own egoic intellect.
Rendering secondary the "objects" which are "out there" - outside that
Big Mind, he unconsciously discounts the "objects" which happen to be
other human beings.
This is the classical trap of the subject/object dichotomy.
In fact, subject mind and the objects allegedly outside that mind are one.
Mind and Matter are a symbiosis. They are mirror compliments.
Mind cannot exist in isolation - and any isolation which
is perceived is the isolation of the solitary ego.
Wilber's is the academic philosophy against which Pirsig railed.
He stands entirely opposite to the views I express in Regeneromics.
Even while I work to render the complexity of existence simple, Wilber
aims to take that simplicity and render it complex enough and dense
enough to be impenetrable and a source of income through books and
within salaried university settings.
That is his talent. The talent of a practiced bullshitter.
In the same way which medicine has no real intent to defeat illness,
(rather to profit from it's continuance) Wilber makes a living out of
his pseudo-philosophical insights.
The explanations are alluring enough to attract, but simply go round and
round in profitable circles. The fog never clears.
The wall which preserves the status of philosophical insiders such as
Wilber is never breached and the scam goes on and on.
If I EVER charge any money for any of the work I do to try bring
simplicity and coherence to our view of the world then you will know
I sold out.
Perhaps one might say to me:
"But dude, you are entitled to charge and maybe the funds
would allow you to make some nice glossy books and thus
spread the word even more" -- I would reply:
"Take away the poisoned chalice. I will not drink from it.
It's temptations are deadly and it's fruits corrupt the soul."
I will not make a living out of helping the living live in confidence
of knowing how the world is really working. It's anathema to me. _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
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