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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Hijacks - Passengers Ties/Lists/Forensics Reply with quote

Reply to this topic with general evidence about the passengers on
the hijacked flights, their ties, and forensics on their remains.


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A summary of the thread will be updated here as evidence
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forensics

We have the wild theory that there are no bodies to examine because the plotters used the planes scheduled to fly 9/11 but they moved the passengers and crew out of the planes and got rid of them in the flight 93 taken down in onboard explosions or by a missile. Meanwhile a fake or replacement group of planes where actually used remote control to do the WTC, and Pentagon.


http://serendipity.nofadz.com/wtc4.htm

Understandably this is an extreme alternative theory.

Of course this theory claims that the passengers were done away with by the government; therefore there are no remains to autopsy, other than the poor victims in the flight 93 alleged slaughter. Further obviously they donít believe in the authenticity of the remains claimed to have been found by the authorities out of flight 93, or the WTC forensic group out of NYC.


The seemingly well respected site 911 reasearch

Relays the information that pathologist out of Maryland concerning flight 93 surpposedly found remains of 34 of the 44 people onboard.

Flight 77 at the pentagon supposedly found 184 out of 189 people

The remains supposedly found at the WTC by the NY medical examiner where only 33 from flight 11 and 12 from flight 175

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/10/wnyc10.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/10/ixworld.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/bodies.html#ref2

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/310/5751/1122?siteid=sci&ijkey=8ds%2F%2F40ipTses&keytype=ref

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/index.html


Flight 93 and the WTC remains apparently were sought and dealt with by the local authorities in NYC and Pennsylvania, whereas the remains in the Pentagon and flight 77 where examined by government military people.

Apparently the remains in WTC according to 911 research will never be entirely found.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/index.html



Commentary:

We all know that the authorities are capable of covering up, distorting, outright lying about anything, as the Kennedy assassination and the botched autopsy demonstrates. Particularly since the 911 remains are so scanty because of the nature of the crimes, the government can we know easily lie, distort or cover up any aspect of this.

In the 911 research site they seem to be very conservative about speculating without any proof that the government lied in any particular aspect of 911. So therefore they apparently accept the governments public assertions about the victims remains. This is not the case in the more extreme theories of the above possibilities, for instance the alternative idea about slaughtering the people in flight 93.
The evidence for this is scanty and at best hypothetical and highly circumstantial.



It seems that this area of the investigation is difficult to analyze independent of the Government input and control due to the nature of the forensics involved, something that we have no control over. So we can only speculate and try to deduce any irregularities in the Governments statements about this.


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange Passengers

All of the planes were not nearly full. The Washington Post even mentioned that Flight 77 was 'unusually light on passengers' that day.

All of the planes had passengers with government ties. The most were on Flight 77. That's interesting, since one of the first revelations in the movement was that it appeared that the Pentagon was not hit by Flight 77.

Killtown's list of unusual Flight 77 Passengers here: http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, you people must stay up nights thinking of ways you can make yourselves appear even more stupid.

The planes were real, the passengers were on them, they did hit the towers and Pentagon and a field in Penn.

There were over a thousand aircraft hijackings from 1950 to present. The very first was in 1937. There were 37 FATAL hijackings from US carriers since 1970. Over 100 hijackings of aircraft that went to Cuba alone(why anyone would want to go there, no one knows).

Before 911 almost all hijackings ended at an airport, on the ground, pilots were advised to cooperate with the hijackers instead of fighting so they could safely land the planes, giving SWAT teams to rescue the passengers,if necessary.

And Killtown is a joke. He lost all credibility by accusing a farm wife of faking a photo.

Leave these victims of 911 alone, they do not deserve their plight to be cheapened by the speculation of the uninformed.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Damn, you people must stay up nights thinking of ways you can make yourselves appear even more stupid.


I don't think you stay up all night thinking of ways you can make yourself appear even more stupid. It just comes naturally with you, y'know?

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The planes were real, the passengers were on them, they did hit the towers and Pentagon and a field in Penn.


Redirection.

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There were over a thousand aircraft hijackings from 1950 to present. The very first was in 1937. There were 37 FATAL hijackings from US carriers since 1970. Over 100 hijackings of aircraft that went to Cuba alone(why anyone would want to go there, no one knows).

Before 911 almost all hijackings ended at an airport, on the ground, pilots were advised to cooperate with the hijackers instead of fighting so they could safely land the planes, giving SWAT teams to rescue the passengers,if necessary.


Redirection.

In the 10 months prior to 9/11, NORAD intercepted 67 wayward planes. On 9/11, we've been told to believe that a plane was able to fly around for over an hour after it was already known that it was hijacked, and half an hour after an alleged suicide-hijacking plot was in action, and then hit the nerve center of the US military without any interception. Norman Mineta hears Cheney acknowledge that the plane is 50 miles away.

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And Killtown is a joke. He lost all credibility by accusing a farm wife of faking a photo.


1) It wouldn't matter if he was straight out of the mental asylum. The claims made on his F77 passengers page are sourced.

2) If he made that claim without evidence (Like you make claims) then he would lose all credibility, but since incredible evidence backed it up, it gained him credibility. Geez, even the Shanksville locals know that the photo is a fake. She's now making tons of money off of it. Wake up to the obvious. Also, he has even said that it's possible that Val did not fake the photo, but the FBI did.

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Leave these victims of 911 alone, they do not deserve their plight to be cheapened by the speculation of the uninformed.


If we're going to start speaking for the victims, I'm going to say that if I were a victim, I'd want people to speculate about the crime and analyze it, cause I'd want the real truth to come out.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Carpainter

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In the 10 months prior to 9/11, NORAD intercepted 67 wayward planes.


Source??? How many were inside US borders??? How long did an intercept take??? I think you pulled this out of your ass.

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1) It wouldn't matter if he was straight out of the mental asylum. The claims made on his F77 passengers page are sourced.


Yeah, right.

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2) If he made that claim without evidence (Like you make claims) then he would lose all credibility, but since incredible evidence backed it up, it gained him credibility. Geez, even the Shanksville locals know that the photo is a fake. She's now making tons of money off of it. Wake up to the obvious. Also, he has even said that it's possible that Val did not fake the photo, but the FBI did.


Accusation is one thing(untrue, but lawful) Harassment something else entirely. The people of Shanksville helped clean the site. They know there was a plane, people were on it and it crashed exactly where it is said to have crashed. Ask the county coroner.

You and Killtown live in a fantasy world.

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If we're going to start speaking for the victims, I'm going to say that if I were a victim, I'd want people to speculate about the crime and analyze it, cause I'd want the real truth to come out.


You think they want their heroic actions denied??? Or that they died trying to take back the aircraft??? Or that they even existed??? This is not truth, this is a lie perpetrated by know-nothing losers for monetary gain, as is the whole troother leadership.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You think they want their heroic actions denied??? Or that they died trying to take back the aircraft??? Or that they even existed??? This is not truth, this is a lie perpetrated by know-nothing losers for monetary gain, as is the whole troother leadership.


Isn't it truly offensive to be told this by this man, when we know the people that are really in it for the monetary gain are getting away with murder. You really are a major fool Grumpy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa

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Isn't it truly offensive to be told this by this man, when we know the people that are really in it for the monetary gain are getting away with murder. You really are a major fool Grumpy.


Truth is truth, no matter who says it. You are letting your hatred of me(for telling it like it is)override your(supposed) logic.

What is truly offensive is the attack on peoples character by you and anyone else, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Firemen, police, rescue workers, ironworkers, govt. employees, military and scientist accused of treason to their country by know-nothings like you. That none of these people support your crazy conspiracy theories or found any credible evidence of explosives means they are liars and covering up the truth, right??? If not in on it from the beginning, right??? In cahoots with OBL, right???

You disgust me.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Source??? How many were inside US borders??? How long did an intercept take??? I think you pulled this out of your ass.


You're dead wrong. (AP, 8/13/02)

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Yeah, right.


I gave you the link. If you say that the page isn't sourced, you didn't bother on clicking it.

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Accusation is one thing(untrue, but lawful) Harassment something else entirely. The people of Shanksville helped clean the site. They know there was a plane, people were on it and it crashed exactly where it is said to have crashed. Ask the county coroner.

You and Killtown live in a fantasy world.


Ok, stop redirecting this post into other issues. As for the issues you've already brought up..

1) Explain how Val McClatchey was harassed.

2) The people who saw the site commented on how little wreckage there was.

3) Coroner Wallace Miller said that he had never seen a drop of blood, and said that he stopped being coroner after 20 minutes because there were no bodies there. He also remarked that it was like the plane had stopped and let off all it's passengers before going down.

In the world we live in, planes leave identifiable wreckage, and photos of this wreckage are released days after or on the day, and not years after.

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You think they want their heroic actions denied???


Stop using emotional arguments. They are propaganda.

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Or that they died trying to take back the aircraft???


Isn't that how the official line goes?

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Or that they even existed???


I have yet to meet anyone in the movement that claims the passengers didn't exist.

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This is not truth, this is a lie perpetrated by know-nothing losers for monetary gain, as is the whole troother leadership.


Much of the 'troother' (That's old, btw) leadership is controlled opposition.

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What is truly offensive is the attack on peoples character by you and anyone else, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Firemen, police, rescue workers, ironworkers, govt. employees, military and scientist accused of treason to their country by know-nothings like you.


You liar.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy wrote:
aAzzAa

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Isn't it truly offensive to be told this by this man, when we know the people that are really in it for the monetary gain are getting away with murder. You really are a major fool Grumpy.


Truth is truth, no matter who says it. You are letting your hatred of me(for telling it like it is)override your(supposed) logic.

What is truly offensive is the attack on peoples character by you and anyone else, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Firemen, police, rescue workers, ironworkers, govt. employees, military and scientist accused of treason to their country by know-nothings like you. That none of these people support your crazy conspiracy theories or found any credible evidence of explosives means they are liars and covering up the truth, right??? If not in on it from the beginning, right??? In cahoots with OBL, right???

You disgust me.

Grumpy Cool


So you are trying to avert attention by playing the "I hate you" card? If anyone is seen to hate everyone it is you, mr Grumpy.

And likewise, your reasoning on this foruim is pretty disgusting. You seem to ignore what people are saying, and keep playing this card that we are critcising those wonderful heros. I am sure you are fraud now, becuase no one could be as stupid as you naturally. You're putting it on.

Thank you for proving there is something your bosses are covering up.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Carpainter

Funny how all of the DNA taken from the hole matched the passenger list. As did the aircraft parts found match that specific plane. Taking the coroner's quotes out of context is lower than whale poo.

.aAzzAa

Truth is truth, no matter who says it. You are letting your hatred of me(for telling it like it is)override your(supposed) logic.

What is truly offensive is the attack on peoples character by you and anyone else, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Firemen, police, rescue workers, ironworkers, govt. employees, military and scientist accused of treason to their country by know-nothings like you. That none of these people support your crazy conspiracy theories or found any credible evidence of explosives means they are liars and covering up the truth, right??? If not in on it from the beginning, right??? In cahoots with OBL, right???

You disgust me.

Grumpy Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy wrote:
Lord Carpainter

Funny how all of the DNA taken from the hole matched the passenger list. As did the aircraft parts found match that specific plane. Taking the coroner's quotes out of context is lower than whale poo.

.aAzzAa

Truth is truth, no matter who says it. You are letting your hatred of me(for telling it like it is)override your(supposed) logic.

What is truly offensive is the attack on peoples character by you and anyone else, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Firemen, police, rescue workers, ironworkers, govt. employees, military and scientist accused of treason to their country by know-nothings like you. That none of these people support your crazy conspiracy theories or found any credible evidence of explosives means they are liars and covering up the truth, right??? If not in on it from the beginning, right??? In cahoots with OBL, right???

You disgust me.

Grumpy Cool


Fraud. You got nothing but emotional blackmail left.
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