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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New WikiLeaks documentary available online
Digital Journal
In the Media
Dec 12, 2010 by ■ David Silverberg

'A new documentary of WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange is now available online after airing on Swedish television this weekend. WikiRebels summarizes the WikiLeaks controversy. WikiRebels is also available online, via SVT's website and YouTube (in four parts). It's not known if SVT authorized the YouTube leaks.'
Source: Digital Journal D Silverberg

If you cannot stomach that any longer, try watching the video below.

Watch: Food Inc.

Website: http://www.foodincmovie.com/

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who has any idea about Thai politics has known this for a very long time.

Yawn. Some 'leak'.



A user asked for mention of the Thai royals in connection with the 2006 coup

The Queen of Thailand encouraged the 2006 ousting of former prime minister and Manchester City owner Thaksin Shinawatra, US dispatches from October 2008 allege.

Queen Sirikit was indirectly "responsible for the 2006 coup d'etat", according to Samak Sundaravej, one of Thaksin's successors as prime minister from January to September 2008, according to US diplomats. Samak also claimed, the cable writers add, that Sirikit had a hand in the "ongoing turmoil generated by PAD protests", a reference to the mass protests by the royalist People's Alliance for Democracy which have contributed to the downfall of several Thaksin-associated governments since 2006.

Sirikit is the wife of King Bhumibol, the world's longest-serving current monarch. As a member of the royal family she is in theory expected to be politically neutral.

The cable appears to add to rumours of the scale of Sirikit's political involvement. While the queen had long been suspected of favouring the PAD, the only significant evidence of her support came when she attended the October 2008 funeral of a PAD protestor, Angkhana Radappanyawut.

Samak alleged the queen "operated through privy council president Prem Tinsulanonda who, along with others presenting themselves as royalists, worked with the PAD and other agitators", according to a report by US ambassador Eric John, within a cable from October 2008.

There is no mention in the cables of any coup involvement by King Bhumibol himself. But an earlier dispatch written in the week following the coup states Bhumibol called the leaders of the coup to his palace for a meeting the evening after Thaksin was ousted and was "happy, smiling throughout".

A subsequent cable also claims Bhumibol explicitly ordered Anuphong Paochinda, commander-in-chief of the Thai armed forces, not to launch a coup in November 2008 against the then prime minister Somchai Wongsawat. Bhumibol also expressed irritation at PAD protests, the cable alleges.

Further reports on Thailand from the leaked cables will be published by the Guardian later in the week. Patrick Kingsley

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More smoke without fire. Thais have known this for a decade or more.

Sells papers though.

Yawn again. Mai pen rai.


WikiLeaks cables: Thai leaders doubt suitability of prince to become king

Embassy cables reveal fears over heir's womanising and links to ousted PM damaging stabilising role of monarchy in Thailand


Thai leaders harbour grave misgivings about the crown prince's fitness to become king owing to his reputation as a womaniser and links to a fugitive former prime minister, according to a leaked US diplomatic cable.

Three senior members of Thailand's powerful privy council, a group of advisers appointed by the king, make clear their preference for an alternative to Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, who is considered a political liability because of his extramarital affairs in several European countries.

The succession is of pressing concern as King Bhumibol Adulyadej, who turned 83 this month, is in poor health. Revered by most Thais, he is one of the few unifying figures in a country deeply divided between an urban elite and a rural poor.

The great fear within the authorities is that with the divisive figure of the crown prince as king, any future political turbulence could split Thailand in two. The military and the police rely on loyalty to the crown to maintain control and without it their authority would be greatly weakened.

This year Thailand experienced the worst political violence in its modern history. Ninety-one people died as protesters who support Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted as prime minister in a 2006 military coup, called for the dissolution of parliament and new elections. A state of emergency imposed at the time still remains in force.

The cable, written by the US ambassador, Eric John, in January, reports on his conversations with General Prem Tinsulanonda, the head of the privy council and a former prime minister, Anand Panyarachun, another former prime minister, and Air Chief Marshall Siddhi Savetsila.

"All three had quite negative comments about Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn," the cable reads. "While asserting that the crown prince will become King, both Siddhi and Anand implied the country would be better off if other arrangements could be made. Siddhi expressed preference for Princess Sirindhorn; Anand suggested only the King would be in a position to change succession, and acknowledged a low likelihood of that happening."

There are repeated references to the prince's affairs. When the US ambassador asked where the prince was, Prem is quoted as saying: "You know his social life, how he is," which John says is a "presumed reference to Vajiralongkorn's preference to spend time based out of Munich with his main mistress, rather than in Thailand with his wife and son".

John also conveys Siddhi's observations about the prince's dalliances. The cable states: "Siddhi, in a similar vein, noted that the Crown Prince frequently slipped away from Thailand, and that information about his air hostess mistresses was widely available on websites; he lamented how his former aide, now Thai ambassador to Germany, was forced to leave Berlin for Munich often to receive Vajiralongkorn."

Apart from their concerns over the prince's behaviour, the privy council members also express unease over his ties with the fugitive ex-prime minister Thaksin, best known in the UK for owning Manchester City football club from 2007 to 2008. Thaksin spends most of his time in Dubai in self-imposed exile.

"Prem acknowledged Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn probably maintained some sort of relationship with fugitive former PM Thaksin, 'seeing him from time to time'. Prem, clearly no fan of either man, cautioned that Thaksin ran the risk of self-delusion if he thought that the Crown Prince would act as his friend/supporter in the future merely because of Thaksin's monetary support; 'he does not enjoy that sort of relationship.'"

In the cable, Anand blames the king's poor health partly on Thaksin, who at the time was acting as a political adviser to the Cambodian government. The king was in hospital in January, exercising 30 minutes a day on a stationary bicycle and passing a medicine ball with a physical therapist to build up strength and regain weight.

Despite their reservations about the crown prince, John's interlocutors seemed resigned to his becoming king.

"Anand said that he had always believed that the Crown Prince would succeed his father, according to law. However, there could be complicating factors if Vajiralongkorn proved unable to stay out of politics, or avoid embarrassing financial transactions The consensus view among many Thai was that the Crown Prince could not stop either, nor would he be able, at age 57, to rectify his behaviour," the cable reads.

"After another pause, Anand added that someone really should raise the matter with the King, before adding with regret that there really was no one who could raise such a delicate topic (note: implied was the need for an alternative to Vajiralongkorn)."

Royal intrigue is also conveyed in another cable by John in October 2008. This confidential message reports on complaints by Samak Sundaravej, a former prime minister, that Queen Sirikit encouraged the coup that overthrew Thaksin.

"He showed disdain for Queen Sirikit," John writes, "claiming that she had been responsible for the 2006 coup d'etat as well as the ongoing turmoil generated by PAD [People's Alliance for Democracy] protests. He alleged the Queen operated through privy council president Prem Tinsulanonda who, along with others presenting themselves as royalists, worked with the PAD and other agitators. Citing his own regular meetings with King Bhumibol, Samak claimed he rather than his opponents was sincerely loyal to the king and enjoyed the king's support."
What constitutes an insult?

The Thai royal family is protected by the country's lese majesty laws, making it an offence to insult the monarchy.

Under article 112, anyone can file a complaint against someone they consider to have defamed the monarch.

Missing from the code, however, is a definition of what actions constitute defamation or insult. Neither the king nor any member of the royal family has ever filed any charges under this law.

In 2005, King Bhumibol encouraged criticism: "I am not afraid if the criticism concerns what I do wrong, because then I know." He later added: "But the king can do wrong."

Since 2005, use of the law has been on the rise, for politicians, journalists and activists.

In March 2007, a Swiss, Oliver Jufer, convicted of lese majesty, was sentenced to 10 years for spray-painting graffiti on portraits of the king while drunk. He was pardoned then deported.

In 2008, Jonathan Head, the BBC's south-east Asia correspondent and vice-president of the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Thailand, was accused of lese majesty by a police colonel, Watanasak Mungkijakarndee. Watanasak said Head's reporting between 2006 and 2008 had "damaged and insulted the monarchy". The BBC rejected the charges as groundless.

Also in 2008, Harry Nicolaides, an Australian, was arrested at Bangkok's international airport and charged with lese majesty, for an offending passage in his self-published book Verismilitude. After pleading guilty, he was jailed for three years. He was deported last year after being pardoned by the king.

In June, the Thai government, which has removed tens of thousands of web pages in recent years for insulting the royal family, approved the creation of an online crime agency that will pursue alleged violators of the lese majesty laws.

The paragraph referring to Jonathan Head was amended on Thursday 16 December 2010 at 8.49am, removing a reference to him being expelled. The BBC says Head was not expelled but moved on as part of his rotation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next level question:

Who is paying for Mark Stephens?

I know that law firm-it's one of the biggest in London (not including the huge city corporates further east).
1.Huge ticket clients.
2.Huge fees.


senior partner Finers Stephens Innocent

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real WikiLeaks:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question that must be on everybody's mind:

Why oh why are the Intel MasterCriminals going to such an enormous effort to foist this upon us now...and from ALL media outlets...24/7/24/7/24/7 ??
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a perspective on Wikileaks from an alternative
viewpoint in Pakistan. Good article overall also on the
Pak/Afghan/India/US situation.

(Invisible Soldiers = Army / Intel Ops)Wink

The Invisible Soldiers:
Massaging public opinion

Cyril Almeida - (4 hours ago)

THE Invisible Soldiers are on the march again. Spreading their lies, planting their conspiracy theories, nudging Pakistanis to blame anyone and everyone other than the self-appointed guardians of the national interest for all that ails us.

Look, the dirty Indians are up to their dirty tricks like always. Hey, did you know the Americans are in bed with the dirty Indians and want to destroy us through Afghanistan and Balochistan? Psst, see what the scummy politicians are up as the Americans and Indians and Jews plot against the country.

When the WikiLeaks storm descended on Islamabad, the unease was palpable in certain quarters. Politicians are used to being embarrassed publicly; the army is not. So something was likely to happen.

The logic was apparent to anyone willing to acknowledge it. The WikiLeaks cables contained many embarrassing revelations about the army and its chief. The army jealously guards its public image and has various methods to massage public opinion. Ergo, some way of deflecting attention from the army`s sins exposed by WikiLeaks was likely.

In truth, however, it was not just WikiLeaks. For a while now, it`s been apparent the real movement is on the external front. With the American surge strategy in Afghanistan, the last-chance saloon, faltering, the pressure on Pakistan was certain to ratchet up.

By now, the army has shown its hand. The sooner there is a political solution to Afghanistan which puts power in the hands of the Pakhtuns (read: effectively the Taliban with some of the roughest edges shorn off) and so keeps India`s nose out of Afghanistan, the happier the Pakistan Army will be.

But few outside the army believe Al Qaeda can be separated from the Taliban or that the Taliban can be trusted to abide by their promise if indeed they pledge to renounce Al Qaeda and chase them out of Afghanistan.

Which leaves Pakistan and the US at loggerheads on Afghanistan. What we care about most power to the Pakhtuns and Indian influence disappearing and what the Americans care about the most the end of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Afghan-Pak border and some certainty Afghanistan won`t be used to attack the West are really incompatible in the current scenario.

But that is only part of the story. The toxic cocktail of militancy in Pakistan`s tribal areas has also been a major source of much tension between the Americans and the Pakistan Army. Unbeknownst to most Pakistanis again, no coincidence that the tribal areas have seen the rise of quite literally dozens of militant groups with virulently anti-West agendas.

Given the information blackout, it`s hard to understand fully what`s happening out there in Fata, but it seems fairly clear all manner of nasty characters are linking up with, or trying to link up with, nasty characters there and abroad. Pakistan`s resistance to cleaning up North Waziristan in particular is partly because of the army`s faltering execution of the COIN strategy and partly because of strategic concerns regarding Afghanistan.

So pressure on Pakistan was bound to go up in the months ahead. Through `mil-mil` contacts as the jargon goes, the army could expect to fend off some of the pressure. But other avenues would be needed. And one of the favourite avenues is the so-called `public opinion`.

See what the people are saying, they won`t let us do this. No army can go against its people`s will. We can`t do this ourselves, we need to take the public along. If we do this in the current climate, it will destabilise Pakistan, the people will never accept it.

All true enough until you stop to ponder how exactly `public opinion` decides it is in favour of something or against it.

The fake WikiLeaks cables give the first public hint about how opinion is being shaped in this country right now. Unpatriotic, secular, godless liberals may sniff about such naked manipulation, but the smart money is on a population raised on a diet of conspiracy and paranoia swallowing it as yet more evidence of external plots against the country.

But that is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Much of the manipulation and winks and the nods is never seen by the public. Islamabad remains a small town, however, and news travels fast.

The secret one-on-one meetings, the selective sharing of information with favoured sons and daughters, the dark hints about plots to undermine sovereignty, national security and the like when the Invisible Soldiers swing into action, the wider public never gets to hear about it, but in this case if no one is around to hear a tree crashing in the forest, it still makes a very big noise, thank you very much.

Politicians can only dream of having such a sophisticated media-management system at their disposal. But when you see it up close, you can`t help but wonder: are the Invisible Soldiers really that good, or do our media stars make it that much easier for them?

Put a politician in a room full of journalists and the questioning is more often than not tough and intense (smart is another matter, however). The situation often degenerates into rudeness or tension. But a uniform tends to have a peculiar effect on the preening stars in our media firmament. Heads tend to bob in agreement, approving sounds are heard every now and then and sometimes it`s hard to tell if a question is being asked or a paean being sung.

The rumours swirling around the news agency which put the fake WikiLeaks cables on the wire are well known, as is the reputation of the `newspaper` from where the story originated and yet the story found its way to the front pages of newspapers and as headlines news on TV. How?

Why the easy gullibility on such matters?
Imagine if the content had been reversed and the stories were about Pakistani generals. Still think the fake cables would have been headline news?

Actually, you don`t even have to imagine. The real cables have contained damaging enough details, and yet the media narrative has focused on the foibles of the politicians. The coverage of the cable in which Gilani suggested the politicians would protest drone strikes in parliament and then ignore them has been particularly telling.

Read through all the coverage of that cable and try finding anything anywhere which suggests a small-time politician elevated to the slot of prime minister because he was deemed to be the right amount of spineless could possibly authorise American missiles to rain down in Pakistani territory.

Everyone knows there is only one institution with the power to make such decisions in Pakistan. But good luck finding even a hint of that reality in the breathless and shocked reports on the drone-strikes cable.

Yes, the Invisible Soldiers are on the march again, but, even more
dangerous, sometimes it`s hard to tell if you`re looking at one.

The writer is a member of staff. cyril.a@gmail.com

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atm wrote:
The real WikiLeaks:

Hey ATM - can't get this link to work?? Question
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arkestra wrote:

Notice how he touches and rubs his nose repeatedly
while hesitantly mincing his words, and hides his mouth
briefly. Thats classic body language of a liar.

And here's the nose-rubbing tell again, in a Press TV interview, talking about "funding constraints"...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'movie stars' - and I use the term loosely - go on the NWO payroll 'just in case'.......

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn atm, now I want to know what you posted lol.
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