The Popes brother and the choir boys

[GaryGo]

Catholic churches in Germany the last few days.
Ten priests have been openly accused of physical and sexual abuse of choristers.

The biggest eye-opener is the fact that the guy in charge is;
THE BROTHER OF THE POPE.

The boys were traded with other church leaders. Naked pictures of the boys were posted on the Internet.

The Pope's brother admitted that he had beaten boys with clothes hangers, but only as a form of punishment, never sexual! Really!!
He personally didn't know that sexual abuse was taking place. Really!!
It was his job to be aware of what was happening in his church.

Police and churchgoers are so enraged that all parents have been asked to question their sons for any information as to the guilty parties.

Meanwhile, I imagine the Pope is sitting with his head in his hands.

Here in Germany we have to pay a Church tax. (Another fiddle.) Many people are now stating that this should be withdrawn.

IT has hit the fan, and investigations are taking place all over Germany. Wide TV and newspaper coverage. More arrests imminent.

Yet there is a news black out on B4N

Is Fintan afraid of the Jesuits??? :-)

Pope’s brother: I slapped choir pupils
Wednesday, 10 March 2010

At least the good old Belfast Telegraph is not running scared.

Pope's brother Georg Ratzinger linked to child abuse claims

The brother of Pope Benedict has admitted he slapped pupils in the face at a German school where he led the choir, but said he had been unaware of the brutality of the discipline there.

Rev Georg Ratzinger (86) made the comments to a German paper yesterday following charges of sexual and physical abuse in Catholic schools in the Pope's native Bavaria.

“Pupils told me on concert trips about what went on. But it didn't dawn on me from their stories that I should do something. I was not aware of the extent of these brutal methods,” he told the Passauer Neue Presse.

“If I had known about the excess of force... I would have said something. I ask the victims for forgiveness.”

Rev Ratzinger led the “Domspatzen” (Cathedral Sparrows), the official choir for the Regensburg diocese, from 1964 to 1994. “At the start, I also slapped people in the face, but I always had a bad conscience,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has said its involvement in child abuse scandals was only part of a wider problem.

Sexual abuse scandals in Germany, the Pope's homeland, and other countries were cause for anguish but the Church's response has been prompt and transparent, the Vatican said.

A spokesman said any abuse in the Church is “especially deplorable” given its educational and moral responsibilities. But he said the problem was wider than cases that have surfaced in the Church and that focusing on the Church alone would not truly depict the problem.

Scandals over sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergy and cover-ups by Church hierarchy have exploded in recent months in Ireland, Germany and the Netherlands.

The US Church is still dealing with the financial and emotional fallout from years of scandals.

The latest allegations are particularly sensitive, because Germany is the Pope's homeland and because they involve a choir once led by his brother.

Ratzinger has repeatedly said the allegations date from before his tenure as choir director.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-brother-i-slapped-choir-pupils-14713042.html#ixzz0hkx9BhgD

[MichaelC]

Then only tragedy is that some people actually believe the 'pedophile priest' hoax/$cam.

But what really takes the prize was the 'pedophile nun' (?!!) story that they tried to float a couple of years ago. Guess that proved to be just too much so it never 'got legs'......

[GaryGo]

[arkestra]

Micheal C.

[arkestra]

http://www.bishoppatbuckley.co.uk/daly.htm


Read this. an account of an openly gay priest
who showed some character and true SPIRIT-uality
This is a true reflection of its sick corrupt medieval ways.

But on the flipside.
There are great priests and nuns worldwide
who do extraordinary humanitarian work that
was mainly down to their SPIRITS initiative
and not a ROMAN agenda.

Heres one for a start!
These guys will survive the collapse of the ROMAN EMPIRE

http://www.preda.org/main/index.htm


And a docu on their work in three parts.

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[MichaelC]

How do you define 'pedophilia'? For the majority of the real world it is defined as a sexually mature person having sex with someone who is as yet sexually undeveloped, that is pre-puberty. So let's be clear on this because a lot of this hy$teria concerns sex with sexually developed people either above the age of 'consent' or who are already sexually active and quite capable of saying 'no' if not interested.

This thing seems to be like a cancer spreading from the USA to the anglo world, where the trial lawyer$ lobby and englsh tort law en$ures a nice reward for slimeball lawyer$, politician$, and 'victim$'. However, having perhaps exhausted the golden goo$es under english law, now they are trying to bring their show to continental europe where, thank God, so far we are not poluted by english law. My prediction is it won't fly here. There is more sanity here than in the anglo-american world imho.

[GaryGo]

Michael and Akestra - is it really about - Black or white yes or no true or false right or wrong.

Or is it just slightly more complicated?

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[Hombre]

[MichaelC]

I know that when I 'follow the money trail' I am always led to the truth.

This whole scam is about money.....slimebuckets who have found an easy and very rich patsy to shake down, namely the Catholic Church.

[GaryGo]

[Hombre]

[MichaelC]

It is obvious to anyone with some functioning brain cells that there has been a well-organized campaign to destroy the Catholic Church - from within and from without - ever since the death of Pius XII(1958).

Every 'Pope' since Pius seems to have been dedicated to this destructive mission, though the jury may still be out on the present one.

[GaryGo]

Cardinal Schönborn says celibacy partly to blame for clerical sex abuse
Richard Owen, Rome, and Ruth Gledhill

(Osservatore Romano)
Cardinal Christoph Schönborn is seen as a future candidate for the papacy
A senior cardinal has called for priestly celibacy to be re-examined in the light of sex scandals sweeping the Roman Catholic Church. Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, conservative Archbishop of Vienna and a protégé of the Pope, shocked the Vatican by suggesting that it should carry out an “unflinching examination” of causes of the scandal.

These included “the issue of priests’ training”, he wrote in his archdiocese magazine, “the question of priest celibacy and the question of personality development. It requires a great deal of honesty, both on the part of the Church and of society as a whole”.

The Vatican said the remarks had been misinterpreted. “Priestly celibacy is a gift of the Holy Spirit,” Cardinal Claudio Hummes, prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, said at a theological convention on priestly fidelity.

Cardinal Schönborn’s spokesman, Erich Leitenberger, issued a clarification later claiming that the cardinal was not “in any way seeking to question the Catholic Church’s celibacy rule”. Sources in Rome said he had been obliged to issue his “clarification” under pressure from the Holy See.

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The cardinal, a respected conservative theologian, has a history of sparking controversy. He is an ordinary — or bishop — to Austria’s Eastern Rite Catholics, whose priests are allowed to marry, just as priests in the new Anglican Ordinariates being set up around the world for ex-Anglican clergy will be allowed to marry. Last year in Rome, Cardinal Schönborn, who has always been close to the Pope, presented a petition signed by leading Austrian lay Catholics calling for the abolition of the requirement for priestly celibacy.

Cardinal Schönborn told Vatican Radio last year that he did not agree with the petition’s conclusions, which also included a demand for women deacons, but added: “It is important for someone in Rome to know what some of our lay people are thinking about the problems of the Church.”

Despite calls by a number of theologians and lay Catholic organisations for priestly celibacy to be abolished or made optional, it has been repeatedly reaffirmed by successive Popes, including Pope Benedict XVI. However, Cardinal Hummes, from Brazil, once observed that celibacy was “not dogma”.

The celibacy rule for priests was not part of the early Christian Church but was introduced in the Middle Ages. A number of early Church fathers were married, including St Peter himself, according to St Mark’s Gospel.

In his article, Cardinal Schönborn said he could understand the frustration of many of the faithful over the paedophilia scandals. “Enough is enough. That’s what many people are saying and thinking.”

The Pope is due to issue a pastoral letter to the faithful in Ireland on the sex abuse issue after meeting Irish bishops last month. The scandal has come closer to the pontiff after it emerged that a former chorister in Regensburg — where the Pope once taught — had claimed he was abused while he was a member of the Cathedral choir, which was led for three decades by Georg Ratzinger, the Pope’s older brother. Monsignor Ratzinger this week admitted he had “slapped” choirboys but said he knew nothing of sexual abuse.

Today the Pope is to meet Robert Zollitsch, head of the German bishops’ conference, to discuss the growing crisis over clerical sex abuse in several countries including the Pope’s native Germany. Archbishop Zollitsch has described clerical abuse as “outrageous” and asked the victims for forgiveness, but has denied any link between sex abuse and celibacy.

An article in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, by the historian Lucetta Scaraffia, suggested that having more women in high-level decision-making bodies would have helped to lift the “veil of masculine secrecy” over clerical sex-abuse cases.

This week the dissident theologian Father Hans Küng, who was stripped of his licence to teach Catholic theology in 1979 after he rejected the doctrine of Papal infallibility, said in The Tablet that denials of any link between abuse and celibacy were “erroneous”.

He said celibacy was not the only cause of the misconduct but described it as “the most important and structurally the most decisive” expression of the Church’s repressive attitude to sex.

Last November the Vatican said its new rules allowing the conversion of Anglicans, including married Anglican priests, did not “signify any change” in its rules for priestly celibacy.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7058065.ece

[MichaelC]

I know a lot of priests and it is generally known that most priests are gay and it has been thus since the beginning of time. In traditional societies in ancient times and even today if a boy child was found to be 'that way' he was groomed to become a shaman or some other kind of priest or medicine man. The Shaman, or Medicine Man, was/is almost always a gay man. In more modern times a boy or girl who was discovered early on to be 'that way' was bundeled off to a seminary or convent, both to avoid 'embarrasment' and to give the child a proper way of life.

Pedophilia(i.e.,sex with pre-puberty children), however, is basically U.N.K.N.O.W.N. among gay males. UNKNOWN in gay culture. The ignorance of this very basic fact among the general (hetro) population is what has enabled this whole $cam to grow leg$.

Follow the money trail.

[arkestra]

Micheal,
As a gay man you know very well that many young teens who enter the minefield/experiment That is gay culture Are Vulnerable, bullied, and psychologically frail no matter how sexually experienced Or well endowed they are. This is not jus a gay issue, its largely a MALE issue and their unapologetic thoughtless hunger for sexual gratification and the celebration of their conquests with Their peer group.

I take your Shaman point. The true nature of who we are GREATLY INTERESTS ME,And our true purpose beyond the Labyrinthe confusion of a manipulated culture/community
Mainly thru sex, money, drugs, the AIDS MYTH and its stranglehold. Ted Carpenter and the
Pre civilisations knowledge of our spirits nature is relevant.

Reflect on the words of Bishop Pat Buckley.

In my kingdom human flesh is not "meat" and young people are not chickens".

And the sick phrase we are all familiar with.

'if theyre old enough to bleed ......'

PLss listen to Buckleys audio interviews,
He is candid about all of these issues
and for me he represents the TRUE NATURE
OF what is referred to homosexuality - shaman etc.


http://www.bishoppatbuckley.co.uk/radiotv.htm

I know this is not a black white issue,
Like everything , that is the CHALLENGE of evolution.
But i do believe in a LAW to protect young teens.

I know the MAN/BOY love has had value, and was necessary
for so many LOST boys starved of paternal/brotherly love,
affection and understanding of the POWER of their SEXUALITY.
But so many of those post puberty boys NEVER find that within
the Joke that is our so called community. U know THAT.
And then theres the Dualistic confusion of LUST/LOVE.
I know this is all highly Explosive Emotive stuff.

MichealC