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Fintan
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




So, maybe you know that I've been examining if it is possible
that the precision plane strikes alone brought down the WTC
Towers --by igniting fires on multiple floors -thus weakening floors
and columns; and by damage to core and perimeter columns.

I've been saying that the unique design of the Towers
made them vulnerable to exactly this kind of attack.

So I'm glad to see that others are looking at this also.

The extract below is the from a thread on "the911forum"
discussing the "Ex-ante vulnerability of WTC".

Ex-ante meaning vulnerable "before the event" in it's design.

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Ex-ante vulnerability of WTC

Postby turkish » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:10 pm

In another thread Dr. G had this to say:

Dr. G wrote: Demolition theories are a nice diversion when
the building design and construction are the REAL problems.


Dr. G's idea is very interesting and not necessarily in conflict with ongoing efforts to analyze collapse initiation and propagation.

Until recently, I've been a garden variety skeptic of the Kean/Hamilton minimization. Like many other "truthers" I had accepted the notion that the towers would have remained standing if not for controlled demolition.

Over these same years, I'd also been puzzled and frustrated by occasional conversations with structural engineers who didn't share my apparently naive belief that the towers would have withstood the plane crashes and resulting fires. While many engineers are surely partisan hacks in this debate, I couldn't lump them all into that category. This left me feeling stuck.

The notion that the WTC towers might have been structurally vulnerable, independent of any conspiracy, was something I hadn't considered before. I dismissed "pancaking" theories out of hand because of their variance with the photographic record. I think my blinders were probably fitted about the time I started reading about thermite (note: never drink Kool-Aid served by someone named Jones).

More recently, the theory of ROOSD (Runaway Open Office Space Destruction) widened my view of what might have taken place.

What struck me was that if a rag tag bunch of math nerds on the internet could formulate and come close to proving ROOSD after the fact with only photos and videos to guide them, imagine what would be possible with blueprints and detailed knowledge of how the towers were actually put together.

Might better "informed" engineers ever had occasion to think about the towers' destruction via ROOSD? I suspect a study of the tallest US skyscrapers existing in the 1990s would have shown the WTC towers as the *most* vulnerable to terrorism because of the large floorspace. Certainly, in the wake of the 1993 bombing of the north tower, someone must have realized that an explosion in the basement wasn't the only way to attack WTC and that ROOSD might result from a significant event in the upper stories.....

Given access to actual blueprints and construction logs, could '90s
counter-terrorism experts have concluded, "yep, you hit one of those
towers in the right spot and the whole building will come tumbling down"?
Could that inference have been made?


READ MORE OF
THE DISCUSSION:
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/ex-ante-vulnerability-of-wtc-t330.html

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Serendipity do... Reply with quote

Planned obsolescence taken to its logical and predictable end.

Not so much planned as exploited, though. Those that saw the "need" for an op and were aware that when the first WTC bombing occurred they were informed that the towers were susceptible to catastrophic collapse given the "right" parameters.

Just a matter of getting it done and letting the situation run its course.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ROOSD - very interesting hypothesis...

Keep it up, fellas.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:

Kennedy's death was the Inner Coup.
Bush/Reagan was the Open Emergence of Power.

The were not two Gulf Wars. Only one.
9/11 was the finale of the half-time show.

In the NWO plan, when the final whistle blows,
the players all win, the spectators all lose.


I agree with all you say here.

However in the past present and future, the overriding M.O. or motivation I still feel DEFAULTS to keeping 'time', and having an accurate calender.

TIME is MONEY and MONEY is TIME


ALL significant symbolism, all significant temple/church construction, all alliances made and broken are intimately connected to what Plato and the alchemists referred to as the Great Work.

The 25,920 year Precession of the Equinox cycle, our position in space relative to the Sun and its position in Space, could have much to do with humanities fate.

Here is a quote from the writiings of Karl Maria Wiligut re: Numbers
He was called H. Himmler's 'Rasputin'.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1885972210/ref=nosim/worldfamouscomic4-20

Quote:
In the course of time
In the course of all things, sovereign rule bear
The rhythm of all cosmic phenomena in its holy ring...
Effect unleashes cause, becomes new life once again.
And yet in the end once more give judgement....
Thus, with the number "eight," to the benefit of the pious
Wisdom and all knowledge is taken up into "high safekeeping"...



And the two glyphs Karl Maria Wiligut associated with the number 8 are the infinity symbol and the egg-timer shape.

Thus shit happens.
The elite prepare for something that could be rather dramatic, something that has a galactic signature to its message.

The best way the elite can prepare is to keep folks distracted.
I guess none of us here won the lottery eh?
None of us have been selected to moove forward?

Or maybe being picked as one of the chosen, is a step backwards in time and money spent?

namaste

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is absolutely amazing. It makes me truly wonder what the hell is really going on here. This sometimes brilliant analysis often morphs into the utterly ridiculous, especially when it comes to the overly obvious attempts to justify why those towers collapsed in the manner visible to all of video.

The unique design of the buildings: That's interesting yet doesn't explain the complete destruction of nearly ( 95% plus nearly ) all contents of both towers during the process---neither does it explain the large fire that occurred in the 70's having zero to NO impact on the integrity of the Tower affected.

" Well you see silly man, it's just that things get destructed when heavy shit falls down on top of them from above " " We're talking tons and tons here son " lol--Ridiculous I says.

Fintan: The Interview you did with Fetzer back a few years ago is now a 404--Why? Where did it go?

It's the one where you say that you've been to nearly every state in the US--

What's that got to do with Perfect strikes, unique designs and angled attacks? Nothing of course, it just begs a few questions.

I just finished a very interesting book written by Chalmers Johnson, I must admit I've not read his others works, but this one in particular reeks of Intelligence, subtle yet clear enough.

The Book is titled: Dismantling The Empire. Without going into detail and boring the piss out of everyone---it's not long into the book before 9-11 is mentioned and the why portion is explained in detail, it's an interesting twist on just how easy it really is to explain something ( anything ) to those LESS INFORMED.

It's a classic intel technique and I must admit that the signs of just that very thing are plainly evident within some of your 9-11 lines of thought. JMHO yet one an actual informed reader can't help but notice.

Johnson is President of the Japan Policy Research Institute. Politics and Intelligence, a match made in Heaven. lol



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:
Hombre wrote:
Yeah I like this one better. It speaks volumes.

[ Non PC - deleted ]

Have a nice day! Wink

Hombre'


That was uncalled for Hombre, lifestyle choices have nothing to do with 911 evidence ... cheap drivel. Where has the evidence researched by Fintan gone wrong and what counter evidence can be used to refute it? He is making headway with the NIST report inaccuracies, doesn't that support your overall "agenda"?

So Sasha, planes were not designed to be aerodynamic ... just large Faraday Cages? Can you use a cell phone in your living room? Seems to me you might by definition, be living in a "homeland" Faraday Cage ... who'd a thunk it? (Incorrect answer is that you don't have a cell phone.)

I'm always open to new data ... let's roll ... Shocked

- Hawk


It isn't being an airplane that makes cell phone calls impossible, it's the altitude.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna have to play devil's advocate on that one...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought cell phone calls from airborne jets were physically/technologically impossible then.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
I thought cell phone calls from airborne jets were physically/technologically impossible then.


In the above video it is noted that only
2 calls were made from "cellular phones",
the rest "seatback airphones" or Air-ground radiotelephone service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-ground_radiotelephone_service

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77_Calls


It's possible that these calls were faked but I think
it's important to look at all available information.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:


Quote:


Quote:

More: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/nist-s-ua175-impact-simulation-wrong-t181.html



Those two graphics sum up the physical evidence better than
any 9/11 Conspiracy Documentary on the market.
From what I can tell through lurking
there is a lot of good work being done over at the911forum.
Seems they are in a bit of a dead spot as of late. Trolls,
conspiracy woes and infighting dominate many discussions.
I imagine this discourages some of the most intelligent
(---and they are!---) posters from continuing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the various factions punting different
red herring evidence points are engaged in a lot
of heated debate.

Maybe they'll knock each other's arguments out?

Meanwhile here's a resource list for the background
of the NWO financial system and the OSS/WWII
origins of the Core Cabal.

Not endorsing any of this specifically,
but there's a wealth of essential detail:

Quote:
P.I.L.G.R.I.M.$.
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_may05_pilgrims.htm

The Pilgrims Society
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Pilgrims_Society

MEET THE WORLD MONEY POWER
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/world_money_power.pdf

WORLD MONEY POWER III
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_jan05_worldmoneypower3.htm

THE NEW YORK BOYS
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_september04.htm

CHINA'S EMPTY SILVER VAULT
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_july04.htm

THE CONSPIRACY AGAINST GOLD
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_may06_theconspiracyagainstgold.htm

THE GREATEST RIGHT
http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_january06_thegreatestright.htm

Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the JFK Assassination
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13906

The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Bank-Wild-Secret-Heart/dp/1587981467/

Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic oppression
http://wikicompany.org/wiki/Blog:The_history_of_Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic_oppression

DAVID ROCKEFELLER (ROGGENFELDER)
http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/2007/08/david-rockerfeller-roggenfelder.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
They need to rename
that webshite to:

SeptemberClueless.info

Quote:

"I don't mourn sim-people." ?!?

That'll go down nicely with the bereaved relatives.

Quote:
"In reality, the towers were most likely enveloped in thick smoke
(military obscurants) as they collapsed - and no real footage
exists of that brief event."
.
Laughing Laughing

Confused Confused Confused

Jimmy Walter, we found you a new home.

Somebody tell John Lear too.


Shitty tabloid journalists would rather make snarky comments and assumptions than analyze serious evidence.

Ireland's shittiest tabloid journalist?
Or a deep-cover intelligence agent/media gatekeeper?

I'll bet the latter.
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