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Hombre



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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3 ) Are all eye witnesses, scientists, engineers, physicists and architects either private or government, liars? On the take? Death threatened? As implied by Hombre's POV?


Did I imply such my friend, or are you guessing, merely missing my feeble point, or is it possible you took strike three with the slugger still stuck to your shoulder? Laughing

Nobody has said or mentioned anything about you and Fintan being twins who were so sadly somehow separated at birth. But I do suppose that it's possible that you know something I'm totally ignorant of!

Is that possible DUDE?

Yes all the experts, all the eyewitnesses, and of course All the Kings men!" Don't mind me---I'll get the lights on my way out!

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I have to do is look at the Towers collapse to see that it isn't anything I have seen before; not even your average run of he mill controlled demolition. Not sure how much energy, but logic tells me it takes an awful lot of energy to push(explode) the buildings laterally as we see them do as gravity assists in the "collapse". I've heard all the stories and all the details and would love to know the truth, but regardless of the details known and unknown, Those "F' n buildings exploded. I just can't believe some people believe this was simply a collapse from plane fuel, or plane angle. Kaboom!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iT7mmmc-YY&feature=related
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ottobock wrote:
All I have to do is look at the Towers collapse to see that it isn't anything I have seen before; not even your average run of he mill controlled demolition. Not sure how much energy, but logic tells me it takes an awful lot of energy to push(explode) the buildings laterally as we see them do as gravity assists in the "collapse". I've heard all the stories and all the details and would love to know the truth, but regardless of the details known and unknown, Those "F' n buildings exploded. I just can't believe some people believe this was simply a collapse from plane fuel, or plane angle. Kaboom!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iT7mmmc-YY&feature=related


ottobock---Your logic is spot on and any reasonable truth seeking human being with a functioning brain would agree. Employment of the KISS method ( Keep it simple stupid ) eliminates the need for experts in any field when it comes to thing such as this monster of a cover up with such an obvious smell to it all.

If it looks like a Duck, well you know. The fly in the ointment or the red flag, if you will, is when something so obvious ends up having or needing 10 different reasons as to why you see what you think you see! LOL as if what you see is good enough for you but not good enough for someone who may be mistaken or ( in some cases ) mislead, or possibly unaware of the size and scope of those structures.

One huge red flag for me is that some of the companies who had contracts for the steel used in those buildings no longer exist and NIST and FEMA both say, or have said that they were unable to obtain some of the records/documents in regard to things like ( the technical aspects chemistry make-up ) of quite a bit of that steel. They disclaimed that within their reports, never mind that they used some dodgy data for some calculations, the excuse is that they didn't have all of the necessary information to file an accurate assessment, yet they simply forged ahead!

3,000 people were murdered on 9-11, so lying about any aspect of it shouldn't be much of a reach for some of these people. Oh I'm quite sure many people saw things that they thought they saw on 9-11---that doesn't mean that they were/are lying. It simply means that they made a simple mistake and then were lead to the wrong conclusions by the things they thought they actually witnessed.

Show someone ANY CLIP of those building coming down and then ask them if they look more like they collapsed or more like they exploded. Keep it simple---see what happens.

One day--one day it'll all come out in the wash!

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hombre wrote:

3 ) Are all eye witnesses, scientists, engineers, physicists and architects either private or government, liars? On the take? Death threatened? As implied by Hombre's POV?

Did I imply such my friend, or are you guessing, merely missing my feeble point, or is it possible you took strike three with the slugger still stuck to your shoulder? Laughing

Nobody has said or mentioned anything about you and Fintan being twins who were so sadly somehow separated at birth. But I do suppose that it's possible that you know something I'm totally ignorant of!

Is that possible DUDE?

Yes all the experts, all the eyewitnesses, and of course All the Kings men!" Don't mind me---I'll get the lights on my way out!

Rolls eyes shakes head!!

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Hombre'


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In your video ( in my opinion ) Fintan's video--whoever it may be--in ultra slow motion you see a portion---that's portion of the core left standing ( somewhat ) intact, after the initial wave of collapse has passed, only in slow motion the element of time is lost. Is that a fair statement?


Sorry, I am just another seeker ...

It's good that you're thinking "GREEN" ... Wink

I think I've said all I can say ....

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks Hawk, I take that as a compliment! Laughing

QUESTION: Have you seen the famous makeshift memorial, the one signed by most everyone, photos, symbols ETC? The column that was supposed to represent one of the core columns? Laughing Laughing Big bastard wasn't it--but--and a big but--it was a column alright--but was it an actual core column, or was it something else?

Can anyone explain the following photo--it's one of very very few available.




Now this is very important---can anyone here PROPERLY explain why some of these piers have plates while others require a grillage----a huge one at that?

I'm hoping to use this example as a learning experience--keep in mind that Hombre' has indeed set a few of these things before---only much much smaller in scale.

Oh and for clarification the memorial column rested upon a plate, it was cut from the plate before being hoisted for the 9-11 photo op!

SO how big is big---where are they---anyone!

have a great weekend!

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coalraker wrote:


Thanks for not even removing the formatting shit ... I have major problems with this video. Firstly, do you have ANY idea of what these co-conspirators mean to each other? I am talking about police and firemen. There is slim possibility that these guys are on the take when regarding building 7 or either of the 2 other towers.

I know personally that these guys joke about their job being a second "marriage" and there is NO way that they would band together against that bond ... period!

Just think about the loss to their co-workers ...

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A total of 411 emergency workers who responded to the scene died as they attempted to rescue people and fight fires. The New York City Fire Department (FDNY) lost 341 firefighters and 2 FDNY paramedics.[53] The New York City Police Department lost 23 officers.[54] The Port Authority Police Department lost 37 officers,[55] and 8 additional EMTs and paramedics from private EMS units were killed.[56][57]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Casualties


And the impact on their friend's families ... you might expect that conservatively at least 10% would come clean on the demolition? NO? Why not?

Bubble heads in the MSN ... foreign or domestic trying to out-scoop each other on hedged bets of success does not confirm or deny a conspiracy.

The rescue workers en-mass would not sell out their fallen friends ... this is a fact ... deal with it.

I have no idea of how building 7 came down and I'm not in a position to speculate but I can tell you that it's design was not at all like towers 1 and 2 ... to draw correlations is a fatal flaw in logic. An isolated bang and poorly transcribed quotes from Youtube videos are a distraction.

I just don't get the injection of goofiness for a few minutes here and there into a long time line. Are people proposing that Newton's laws of motion were in effect for 99.9% of the day but a Youtube video can subvert reality for a minute or 2 just to prove an alternative point?

IMHO - this is just silly and I would hope that a larger view will become the norm at some point or the whole 911 movement is destined for permanent failure. Confused

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes without doubt there has never in the entire history of the world been such an event so chock full of absolute bullshit, deception, altered information, lies, jokes, accusations, theft, psyops---My DAD CAN WHIP YOUR DAD mentality, where's your evidence, are you a scientists, engineer, maybe you're an EXPERT! Let's not forget----THEY ALL CAN'T BE IN ON IT!

I agree fully: where does it all end? Certain info is tweaked/twisted for specific reason, while other is completely avoided---and for good reason--likewise I fully understand why that is when it comes to 9-11---to attempt an answer of something one is totally ignorant of would/could put a dent in ones ego, maybe even expose them as being not so knowledgeable when they get it wrong.

Hundreds of views, not one attempt! Interesting--lets try this one.




Of the above---" Fact or fiction " The largest columns were what? Weighed what? Were attached to the bedrock! Laughing Laughing

Anyone out there? Anyone without an agenda that knows WTF there are talking about in earnest.


How about this bullshit: YES it is pure unadulterated bullshit.



They even tried to spin the above photo---explain what it is, why it is, and of course, how it got there--LOL Why not just give it up--just once once, surely the burden being lifted will make everyone feel a bit better.

Have no fear though, there is/are several new and exciting things coming to light in regard to the WTC's and how they were actually constructed.

Lots of people are coming to realise that those twins were more than likely pre-wired for future destruction. Lots of construction workers, Iron workers, finishers have questions about the collapse and several of those who were out front with various opinions/theories have been forced ( or so it's claimed ) to alter their tact. Could that be for public consumption, just an act, all for show--who knows the way all this shit gets kicked about.

One things remains quite clear despite all of the efforts: The DECEPTION is indeed alive and well to this day which is almost 9 full years in!

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very thorough analysis of the
WTC fires and collapse. It's incomplete
(a Part 5 was planned) but still useful.

I can't source the original author. But it stands
on it's own anyway as a critique of the NIST

Quote:
MATHEMATICS OF THE WTC FIRES
http://911dejavu.com/articles/Mathematics-of-the-WTC-Fires.htm

Mathematics of the WTC Fires, Part One

Mathematics of the WTC Fires, Part Two

Mathematics of the WTC Fires, Part Three

Mathematics of the WTC Fires, Part Four

WTC Fires Data, HTML Table Format

WTC Fires Data, CSV Format

http://911dejavu.com/articles/Mathematics-of-the-WTC-Fires.htm

It's a useful counterpoint to Bazant's work on the fires/collapses:

Quote:
What Did and Did not Cause Collapse of WTC Twin Towers in New York
Zdenek P. Bazant, Jia-Liang Le, Frank R. Greening and David B. Benson - 2008
http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/WTC-Collapse-What-Did-&-Did-Not-Cause-It.pdf

I also added this Mathematics of the WTC Fires
to the forum post of essential scientific reports:
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64312#64312

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hombre,

It seems that you are seeing things different than most. I gather, (My Opinion) that you think something much more powerful was afoot on the 11th of September, 2001. I agree. People rarely look at whats right in front of them. I guess my curse has always been to analyze everything. The photo you posted shows the inner structural Pylons of the Freight elevators, I think. The larger moored steel pylons go much further down beyond the bathtub onto yet another concrete-steel reinforced bed plate. They weren't going anywhere. Can anyone here tell me for sure these 6 buildings were brought down by fire?? My late father whom was a career military man taught me that not everything that we see is truth. He proved this on so many occasions. My father was ill when the event took place. He told me then that something is terribly wrong here. Look at all of the angles, from media to the disinfo, to the so called movement. Steer and direct the information to suit something totally different. I think he died knowing what potentially happened. He gave me clues and sent me on my way. That's partially why I am on this board. To seek the truth. I doubt we will ever get the truth, because of the technology used to destroy those buildings was and is...

I lost a dear friend on that day in the WTC. His name was Chris Faughnan. He worked for Cantor-Fitzgerald. I know in my soul I owe what I have left of my life to him and all of the subsequent 5000+ and counting souls whom have had their lives snuffed out and taken from them, and to the millions throughout the world that have paid the ultimate price for the power of this test of supremacy. It was something more than just structural fatigue and fire indeed. But again, some people refuse to see what is right in front of them, until its too late. I pray its not... too late, for us all.

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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whej,

Sometimes, yes I see things in a different light, other times I don't--when it comes to what most people seem to think of me that is. But this 9-11 thing is an unusual beast that has taken on a life all it's own, I'm sure that isn't by accident, and I think that that is truly a sad chapter of the story.

If I witnessed something I knew in my heart to be true and someone said to me " to my face " no this is what you really saw ", or even hinted at it, I'd blast their face with a closed fist and pray that they get up for another, but then I think--that's the exact kind/type of reaction those pulling chains hope for, So lets not give them the satisfaction.

I'm late in coming to 9-11 for a few personal reasons, one an ill Father who I had to care for up until I was no longer able on my own. Such is life. He was also a very very wise man. As hard as that period of my life was I still miss some aspects of it, it hones a person in ways most people will never learn.

Anyway---yes those pesky photos/images--a fitting questions is--where are all of those supposed box columns/core columns--what happened to all of them and just how big were they?

When you read the accounts of the design and construction, and IF you know a bit about how they really work, it doesn't take long to realise that something is amiss. But then you have all of the stories from all of the experts as to why this---and of course---why that---and therein lies the answer to what post 9-11 is really all about, COVER UP.

Yeah those building were big, but how big? That is lost on fully 75% of those who say they would like to know the truth. There's big, and then there's BIG! Same with the strength aspects of the buildings--I've read too many articles to count, on how they were designed anywhere from 4 to 10 x's code when it came to the technical aspects of the loads--either, any, and all---I'll skip the boring detail.

Many of the images available are and can be misleading, others are just flat out wrong---some people use photos form Tower one and call it tower two, some use photos of Two and call it One--maybe it's ignorance or just a simple mistake, or subtle hint, maybe a nudge in the WRONG direction.

Tons of that stuff is done with both print and image information on most ALL of the so called truth sites. One site has a huge collection of images along with tons of technical data--lots of that original stuff is archived here at BFN as well as other popular 9-11 sites. I wonder how they found the site since that front door is really a back door, and the owner seems to be the quiet type. I was one of the very first to use it, now those initial images are EVERYWHERE. LOL

Thanks for the post and your thoughts on the foundation. I didn't think that too many people would be willing to take a stab at what is really in that pic--so bravo my friend.

The technology that destroyed the Twins is taboo, so it gets laughed at and then ignored, yet it's the only truly plausible explanation. That's just my opinion but it does warm my heart to see construction workers/welders/iron workers starting to talk about how strong those building really were, and how impossible the official story is.

The first responders and locals who said that they felt the ground move, shake, rumble before the South Tower started to collapse always seem to have their testimony/accounts buried under a debris pile of expert opinion--I do hope that tells a few people something about all of this.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Hombre... Wink
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