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atm



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Twin Towers WERE constructed from nano thermate.

Duh.

Simple. Occam.

Razor sharp evidence.

Watch this ground.

Zero.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again...

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always wondered why the insurance and re-insurance companies, which I think included GEICO and SWISS-RE among others, paid out the multi-billion dollar claims for what was possibly the biggest case of insurance fraud to date - with nary a protest.

More importantly, no protest from the shareholders of these companies.

Very curious indeed......
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkwind losing you is impossible, I'm sure you're well aware of where I'm coming from.

That video you're so fond of was taken from the video shot by Bob and Bri, was it not? Sure I may be mistaken but that's not really the point.

The point is that you say you look at it as a means to discredit other such videos. I find that odd since your tape is in extreme slow motion. What evidence does it show, real evidence?

One day you guys dis the vids, next day you hold them up for display--memory lapse, or something other?

Twin Peaks was not my cup of tea, I prefer reality and the reality of 9-11 is one giant cluster fuck of disinfo on both sides of the debate, this can't be denied. Some of it unwittingly done by honest people, some by those with agendas, others just jacking off to their own egos!

I'd be foolish to suggest that I know more about 9-11 than the next guy does, equally foolish to suggest that I'm completely ignorant of 90% of the know facts, or majority of the available information!

Like I said: It's difficult to explain Tower 2 being struck second only to fall first, and from the same supposed elements no less. What's the standard reason? They were built in a slightly different manner, one was struck lower than the other, one core different from the other. lol--That's pure window dressing and mostly speculation.

I though being built differently was not significant on one thread where the cores were discussed at length, why is it necessary to use that example as a means of propping up another theory?

I'm willing to bet that there are literally thousands of photographs and dozens upon dozens of video tapes that will never see the light of day in regard to Sept 11, just as their are equal numbers that have been edited in one form or another.

Here is a video of the hole in the North Tower ( Tower 1 ) What does that say about the collapse? What would those window washers say? WHY are they absent in many many other often used videos? I've pics of Tower one before 2 was struck, from the exact same angle and those washers have been removed from the photo or they were off that facade within 12-15 mins of the first strike, take your pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIthneRkE0&feature=related


That's a huge, well defined, gaping freaking hole---So if Fire was indeed the culprit, and one was compromised much further/worse than two was, WHY did two fall first?

Simple question----who has a simple answer?

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obitom kenobi



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very good question. I thought the jet fuel, which mainly was contained in a comparitively localised area, burning in tower 1 was the reason it collapsed? If most of the jet fuel blasted out of tower 2 in the fireball, why would it collapse first? What did the official report say?

What justifiable reason was given for why the crime scene cleared up so quickly? (What, if anything, were they trying to hide?) Thats a crime in itself, surely?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just say the big boys get their situations taken care of with priority... regarding why insurance companies didn't flinch and why ground zero was cleaned up without a hitch.

Odd, maybe not. I mean, if my house burned down, G-d forbid, I'd likely wait and wait on that settlement. And no doubt, there would be plenty of probes up my anus during the process.

If, however, I was some multi-billionaire connected to Wall Street, Insurance, Finance or Pharma... well, maybe the wait wouldn't be so bad considering I was on their all-star list.

The logic here does not preclude any unethical deviation from normal "procedures" given to people like moi.

I'm just sayin' Smile.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hombre:
So if Fire was indeed the culprit, and one was compromised
much further/worse than two was, WHY did two fall first?

Especially considering that One was stuck earlier.
Same question I asked myself. And it's good that
you raise these issues.

Here's my understanding of the answer:

Quote:
On September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked American Airlines
Flight 11 and crashed it into the northern facade of the north tower
at 08:46, impacting between the 93rd and 99th floors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

That means that a mass of 10 floors above the 99th were pressing down
on the weakened floors of Tower One, causing creep buckling of columns.

Quote:
Seventeen minutes later, a second team of terrorists crashed the similarly
hijacked United Airlines Flight 175 into the south tower, impacting
between the 77th and 85th floors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

In this case, a mass of 25 floors above the 85th were pressing down
on the weakened floors of Tower Two.

So Tower Two won that creeping buckle race.

That's an big oversimplification, but this issue of a two and a half times
heavier
weight bearing down on the crash zone of Tower Two was the
major reason, from my reading of many published papers.

One oversimplification is that the weakened columns in Two were
thicker because they were lower down. ( Columns got thinner as you
go up both towers.) Those thicker columns were, of course designed to
handle the weight of 25 floors, but that's when cold-loaded.

Roughly equivalent sustained heat was rendering both One's thin columns
and Two's thicker columns susceptible to creep buckling. And when heat
enters the elasticity equations the extra thickness is not enough of a
defense to offset the 2.5 times extra weight.

And Two falls first.

Here's a thought experiment to demonstrate.


Fill a 5 inch saucepan with hot animal fat and allow to cool to a jelly.
Rest a sports discus that's just shy of 5 inches diameter and 1 pound
in weight on top of the jelly.

Do the same with a second saucepan and second discus
that are each two and a half times larger.

So fill a 12.5 inch saucepan with hot animal fat and allow to cool to a jelly.
Rest a sports discus that's just shy of 12.5 inches diameter and 2.5 pound
in weight on top of the jelly.

The cool jelly in both saucepans can support the discus weight.
Cos the extra jelly surface in the large pot can bear the extra weight.

Now turn on the heat under both saucepans. The larger disc will sink
through the jelly first because jelly is damn all use at bearing weight
as it begins to soften --no matter how much of it there is.

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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, I almost forgot: the American tax slavers paid(without their consent, of course) multi million dollar 'settlements' to shut up and quiet all the 911 victims' families so that they would 'look the other way'.

Perhaps the same tax-slaver large$$e was doled out to the insurance companies as well.
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obitom kenobi



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok i understand that now. Are there any simulations showing this? A good one to see would b one where the flight paths are included as well as resulting fires, structural damage and then the fall. If this could b done as accurately as possible, i.e with fuel mass, structural physics etc etc it would show beyond doubt that the planes brought the buildings down. Not controlled demo, or anything else. Does this already exist? Im thinking they must have made something like that?
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Hombre



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY--It was weight that killed the beast, not fire, only one problem--and yes you made an excellent attempt at providing a possibility as to WHY 2 collapsed first, but one received a center mass strike on (THINNER ) therefor am I to assume ( WEAKER ) steel. This was several minutes before Two was struck, only TWO was almost missed, certainly the core of TWO was less effected, especially ( AS YOU SAY ) it had much thicker steel given the strike location was some 15 or so floors lower.

Then that pesky fuel supply again, much of it burning up outside the interior of two in a massive fireball, So given what has been brought up---Doesn't it make sense that the steel in one, being much thinner/weaker than that in Two's strike location, would have HEATED UP far sooner than the steel in Tower 2 and therefor ( creeping buckling failing ) First: and not a full 46 minutes of elapsed time- from beginning to end-- later!

You get that by adding the time between the strikes to the time one stood after two had already collapsed ----it's a full 46 minutes. Was that small problem factored into any OFFICIAL EQUATIONS? If so---who is/was the genius that signed off on such a ridiculous claim of Fire killing the Twins.

Anyway: Buckling of heated steel should do just that buckle, only what is seen in any and all videos is the complete and utter perfectly identical collapse of both structures straight down; No twisting, no buckling, no creeping---just perfectly contained and controlled ( to an abnormal extent ) collapse. How on earth is that possible? Yeah yeah the unique design, only that doesn't erase the problem of thicker steel used on the lower floors of those Towers.

No attempt by the stronger steel of arresting, or even hindering the collapse. From a basic Physics standpoint that isn't possible. In a real world scenario involving Fire, weight, and the element of time, we ALL would have seen those structures at some point, resist, and resist like hell, the collapse in some manner----but we didn't see that.

Take Tower one: Why not buckle toward the heavily damaged side of the building once the Fire had done it's job? Is this where it will be said that the unique DESIGN wouldn't allow such a thing to occur---LOL~~Laughable on one hand and a disgrace on the other.

Buckles toward the damaged facade and ultimately snaps apart and either hangs on the core or topples over and onto the streets below.

Imagine the cost of repairing or demoing a wounded, yet still standing obsolete Tower! Anyone ever consider that?

No: I'd be better able to buy into such an answer if I saw a 25 floor mass stay intact as it crushed it's way toward the ground ending up atop a pile of rubble, but that didn't happen. Call me hardheaded .

I'd hate to calculate the difference in mass above the impact zone verses that mass intact and below the zone. Surely a massive amount of resistance!

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what im saying. Is there an accurate simulation of the events? What happened to the "we can use simulations instead of searching through rubble" argument for clearing the crime scene? Where are the simulations? There must b some?!

Sry for b instead of be. Using mobile. =)
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hombre:
Doesn't it make sense that the steel in one, being much thinner/weaker
than that in Two's strike location, would have HEATED UP far sooner
than the steel in Tower 2.......

Sure does. It would.

But not enough to offset the weight factor.

Quote:
Hombre:
Buckling of heated steel should do just that buckle, only what is seen in any and all videos is the complete and utter perfectly identical collapse of both structures straight down; No twisting, no buckling, no creeping---just perfectly contained and controlled ( to an abnormal extent ) collapse.

That's to the credit of the honeycomb-like, multiply-redundant design
of the exterior column's overlapping lattice. The lattice is great at
distributing the load, with only slight bowing visible.....

....Up until the moment of final exterior buckling and bowing
seen in many photos and videos.

Inside in the interior, creeping buckle is actually quite complex.
I did oversimplify, so the full deal is that even as the columns
are buckling they are lengthening due to thermal expansion.

When the lengthening tries to take place, the columns haven't the
rigidity to push up the tower above them to make space for the
lengthening. So they bow slightly instead, while at the same time
the tower structure above them manages to drop a small increment.

Thus the top section is now hanging slightly from the hat truss cap atop
the tower which connects the inside and exterior column systems, and
normally finely balances all Tower loads between the two.

The hanging effect now pulls down on the hat truss, transferring
the interior loads out to the exterior tube --which is already under
a lot of pressure and already itself buckling.

Despite that, it offloads some of the extra strain down the exterior
to lower structures by taking up any available compression slack.

The whole structure is now in a dynamic tension like a taut string.

And then the whole sequence of load transfers repeats again and
again until all the capacity of the system to cope is overwhelmed.

That tension is going to max eventually, and....

When it goes, it's gonna be all over real quick.

But it's not like either Tower is going to visibly lean to one side for
a half an hour before collapsing. The exterior lattice is overlapping
sections and even exterior columns on the opposite side of the
tower to where the damage is, will be sharing the load.

But when it does lean and finally go, it's gonna be gone in seconds.

And the exterior is going to contain the collapse quite symmetrically
even as it is forced to peel away as the debris falls down inside the
chute formed by the exterior lattice.

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