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Fintan
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ATM:
From Joe Vialls:
Electronically Hijacking the WTC Attack Aircraft


Here's the archive of that Joe Vialls article
http://web.archive.org/web/20071017145211/http://geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html

"Vialls" (ahem) was a great disinfo spreader, and I well remember "his"
Home Run article. He was suggesting that ALL advanced autopilot
aircraft could be electronically commandeered as a matter of course.

I never bought that at the time. Still don't.

Quote:
Brilliant both in concept and operation, “Home Run” [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to listen in to cockpit conversations on the target aircraft, then take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071017145211/http://geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html


Lot of issues you raise there, Hombre.
And a good debate is essential, so thanks.

1) Fire and fire alone had absolutely nothing to do with the actual collapse of the twins---IF IT DID then Tower one would have fallen first.

That's what I said in my first article 14 days after.
But I've learned a LOT since then.

The two towers were of slightly different construction.
North was hit high and with more core impact. South was hit lower.
Fire progression characteristics were different for the two towers.
So I don't think deductions can made from which one fell first.

2) The ultra slow eyewitness account was akin to a script--too obvious. Who speaks like that in the real world/? NOBODY.

It ws a written account, not a spoken account.
It's consistent with many other accounts.


3) Why not show real time video of the Plane at the Pentagon and put the speculation to rest once and for all! Wait don't tell me >> all part of the plan to confound and confuse---got it--

Exactly.


4) Steel the likes used in the construction of those towers would NEVER--not in 1 million years be turned to dust, nano particulate, or gnat assed sized spheres of any kind by the energy from the collapse ALONE~~~NO WAY!

Incredibly high compressions, air pressures and temperatures were
created during the collapses. A real-time gravity driven grinder.


How can fire do in two absent all of the HOLLYWOOD STYLE FUEL spent " OUTSIDE " the building? Isn't that the culprit---Fire needs fuel---something about a triangle comes to mind. lol

Despite the pyrotechnics, in fact the majority of the fuel remained inside
the building. The fireball may have looked large, but it's huge size was
not due to a high fuel volume, but due to internal thermal expansion.


Tower 2 being struck in the corner ( more toward the corner ) would have caused Two to topple LONG LONG before it would have ever collapsed in the manner that was seen

The tower's tube in tube construction was particularly stable -even in
the event of loss of one corner -until it heated up, that is. Also bear
in mind that the main corner support was not severed in the impact.

A Pilot who would have gotten COLD FEET would have been blown from the sky within a few seconds of changing his mind.

Taking revenge on a pilot would be poor compensation for
an operational failure.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. The cores were unable to stand on their own, yet instead of falling over, tipping over, toppling over they simply collapsed on top of themselves amid a wash of grinding gravitational activity. All of which was plane and fire generated, from top down no less.

Please realise ( lol ) that I am assuming that those interested grasp the construction ( tube in tube ) design of the Towers. So I'll not point out that those cores absent the perimeter columns would have stood on their own, or at a minimum toppled over, not broken into 30 foot sections, after collapse initiation. The Mechanism responsible took out both perimeter and core columns at the same time, otherwise there would have been several attached columns several hundred feet in length crashing down on Manhattan on 9-11.

Heating of steel in the general area of the impact is a given, sufficient enough to do what was seen and in the manner in which it was seen isn't possible, not even plausible. The total mass of the Material at and above the impact area of 1 was minimal in comparison to that below that zone, therefor anyone working a crushing top down scenario has a gigantic physics problem to overcome. Not worthy of debate in my opinion( KISS )

Those who pulled this off would hesitate to blast a chicken from the sky, come on Fintan. How easy a sell would that be? Oh but then a real problem one Tower is left standing intact. What to do--Oh another plane, plane #4 several hundred miles away, the back up plane. Then how to explain the sleeping ( still sleeping military response ) Sorry Fintan with all due respect I appreciate your efforts through the years but you're reaching on this one.

Most of the fuel burned up outside of the building in the second event, you yourself have stated that before---the fuel is the crown jewel of the whole thing, is it not? Without the often mentioned 15 k gallons, 13-k gallons, or whatever the total was there is no Fire, at least not to the magnitude necessary to sell the culprit. Then we have 1 on a more central impact, supposedly doing more damage to the core, yet being struck several minutes before 2, and then going on to stand several minutes after 2 had already collapsed---Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

Honestly Fintan: On day 14 were you making an assumption, merely speculating, or in truth were you a bit too far ahead of the curve far too early? It doesn't take damn near 9 years for a slow learner, let alone someone twice-three times as intelligent as the average person to wake up and see 9-11 for what it really was. We've been over this ground too many times before.

People, a select few, numbers---just to control and navigate 4 remotely controlled planes alone would require a good numbers of people, not just software, but people. How many, how many on the awacs? Surely not all were seeing a war game unfold, not all following blindly. Who had the training, who had the knowledge, who had access?

I can go on and on and on. Yes I agree with much of what you've done, it's this issue of Tower construction, Fire, and collapse that I completely disagree on. Why---KISS----You can't have this both ways. It's either one or the other. Either a simple plan carried out in broad daylight, or a sophisticated high tech ( beyond all of our scopes op ) more complicated than even your wildest of dreams.

People who murder 3,000 innocent people don't blink at shooting down an aircraft. They call that stuff collateral damage and pass it all off as necessary for the greater good under the guise of national security. The thing that goes by the boards and over most peoples heads is that they NEVER EVER do this stuff off the cuff, or in the dark.

Here's an Old archive most of the links are dead but you'll get the drift. Training and not just for training sake---that's NEVER the case.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=fort_belvoir

A lie will always contain some element of truth because without the truth the lie is exposed for what it is, a lie.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not get too involved again in the "How" - we all have a general idea of how it was done and nobody (outside of the original operatives) will ever know for sure EXACTLY how it was done.

What is more important is the "Who" and the "Why".
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MichaelC:
With all due respect to Fintan I must confess that I also have a problem
with fire plus the planes as the force pulling down both buildings.

I can appreciate that. Especially as the issue of controlled demo of the
towers has been a mainstay of the CIA Fakes for years.

But I never committed to it an an answer. Like others, I went through
all the possible ways they could have been brought down at the time
we all pursued a solution in the 9/11 3i investigation. But solution after
solution proved to be insubstantial. I never could nail a definitive
method, and never have.

There was also the problem that after many, many literally days of
watching and re-watching all the video of the collapses over the
course of the years, all I could see was the towers failing at or near
to point of impact of the planes.

There are many videos of collapse.
Here's the most dramatic which I uploaded today:
http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/NorthTowerCollapse.wmv

Because my long established M.O. is not to commit to an answer in any
aspect of the 9/11 issue --until I have definitive analysis-- it doesn't cost
me anything to walk away from the controlled demo theory.

But consider this: ( And I address this to anybody with an open mind)

If they brought down the Towers with carefully targetted planes,
then the controlled demo is the most devestating trap ever for
the 9/11 movement.

Inviting the movement to bang it's head of the stone wall
of proving a Towers Demolition which never took place.

Thus scuppering the whole movement.

That wold be cute of them, wouldn't it.

I recommend listening again to the two audios I did
in Jan 2009 on this specific issue. Part 1 and 2.

Part 2 especially:

Part 1
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54125#54125
Part 2
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54153#54153

Actually..........

I'm going to remix this new audio to integrate the
old material on the Tower Collapse from Part 2.

I think I need to remind people of the arguments
I made back then. It's too big an ask to assert
the targetted plane strikes downed the Towers
and simply say listen to Part 2 of the Jan '09.

I'll make One audio of it all.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:

There are many videos of collapse.
Here's the most dramatic which I uploaded today:
http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/NorthTowerCollapse.wmv


I keep a high resolution copy of that video on my computers for reference and a reality check. There are so many theories thrown out the window by this one video, it should be required watching before entering any debate of the physical evidence anomalies ... Wink

- Hawk

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good old Bob and Bri in re-racked slow motion. Nice! Absolutely amazing!

Here watch them call Tower 1 Tower 2--further watch the column fall on itself --straight down.

This train is filling rapidly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8JG7vMQYqA&feature=related

What is that large thing that falls off to the right made of >>> LOL

I have a killer f, ing head ache!

Edited tape! What a nightmare!

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hombre wrote:
Good old Bob and Bri in re-racked slow motion. Nice! Absolutely amazing!

Here watch them call Tower 1 Tower 2--further watch the column fall on itself --straight down.

This train is filling rapidly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8JG7vMQYqA&feature=related

What is that large thing that falls off to the right made of >>> LOL

I have a killer f, ing head ache!

Edited tape! What a nightmare!

best,

Hombre'


What is your point Hombre? What does Bob and Bri have to do with your headache? Other than a possible obscure reference to "Twin Peaks" ... you lost me at Bob ... Confused What was edited and why?

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I listened to the audio twice. Nice job and well presented Fintan. I have been sending the links to friends, trying to spread this side of the 911 story.

I am still finding it hard to come to the same conclusion about tower 1 and 2. Like you have stated Fintan, they had to make SURE the operation was a success. Don't you think for insurance they would have at least SOME carefully placed cutter charges?

As a small side note. The bulding I work in has some floors above us with work going on. The noises made are not questioned by anybody, so my point being it would have been easy, I think, to schedule in some "work" to be done unnoticed on WTC 1 and 2.

I am waiting for your take on WTC7. Only controled demo could bring that tower down in the manner it did.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what about building 7 ??

I'm with Hombre on this - that we have been spoon-fed demolition
by CIA fakes does not mean it's not true.

He knows that I know that I know that he knows that I know... spy vs. spy.
How then can we know what conclusion we are meant to to reach...



The main sticking point for me is one of symmetry, (equally applied explosive / heat / fire forces of destruction).
I just cannot believe that such a lopsided, randomly applied force could bring about so symmetrical a collapse, (angles of penetration notwithstanding).

But I do not want to belabour the point... all I can say is that I will never know for sure, that's for sure!
And it really makes no difference at all regards my knowing it stinks from beginning to end.

Following this thread to its logical conclusion, should we all then conclude the entire operation was carried out by the 19 hijackers? And that JFK was indeed killed by a lone kook?
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
howg:
Don't you think for insurance they would have
at least SOME carefully placed cutter charges?

This below is Part 2 of the Final Verdict,
which I mentioned in the audio.

Quote:
LISTEN:
Broadband Mp3 Audio
http://BreakForNews.com/audio/BeautifulTruth090129a.mp3
Click to Play or Right-Click to 'Save As' and Download.

Dialup Mp3 Audio
http://BreakForNews.com/audio/BeautifulTruth090129.mp3
Click to Play or Right-Click to 'Save As' and Download.

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54153#54153

In the first fifteen minutes I cover the question of cutter charges
and other explosives which you are raising above.

Quote:
howg:
that we have been spoon-fed demolition
by CIA fakes does not mean it's not true.

Well it's grounds for suspicion, but yes I agree we can't draw conclusions
from that --and I'm not. I am drawing my conclusions from a study of the
unique design and construction of the Towers.

Quote:
howg:
I just cannot believe that such a lopsided, randomly applied force could bring about so symmetrical a collapse, (angles of penetration notwithstanding).


The core acted as a spindle --holding the collapse pretty symmetrical.

Quote:
howg:
Following this thread to its logical conclusion, should we all then conclude the entire operation was carried out by the 19 hijackers?

I wouldn't say so. They were mostly extras for theatrical effect.

The hijackers hijacked.

The NWO controlled what happened before and after the hijacks began.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan:

What is your opinion on the North Side witnesses?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re Part II:

Thanks for reminding me that nothing, but NOTHING, is put out by the NWO-controlled media unless it advances their agenda.

Nothing.
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