I've said before that Gretchen Morgenson is the NYT's sole real reporter.
The SEC prosecution of GS is based heavily on her investigative
article (with Louise Story) in late 2009, which I posted here.
Take a note of the date of publication: 24th December, 2009.
Yeah, the NYT editors did everything possible to bury Morgenson's
damaging article --by selecting the day before Xmas to publish it!
It's worth reposting:
Banks Bundled Bad Debt,
Bet Against It and Won
GRETCHEN MORGENSON and LOUISE STORY
Published: Thursday, December 24, 2009 at 6:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, December 24, 2009 at 5:16 a.m.
In late October 2007, as the financial markets were starting to come unglued, a Goldman Sachs trader, Jonathan M. Egol, received very good news. At 37, he was named a managing director at the firm.
Mr. Egol, a Princeton graduate, had risen to prominence inside the bank by creating mortgage-related securities, named Abacus, that were at first intended to protect Goldman from investment losses if the housing market collapsed. As the market soured, Goldman created even more of these securities, enabling it to pocket huge profits.
Goldman’s own clients who bought them, however, were less fortunate.
Pension funds and insurance companies lost billions of dollars on securities that they believed were solid investments, according to former Goldman employees with direct knowledge of the deals who asked not to be identified because they have confidentiality agreements with the firm.
Goldman was not the only firm that peddled these complex securities — known as synthetic collateralized debt obligations, or C.D.O.’s — and then made financial bets against them, called selling short in Wall Street parlance. Others that created similar securities and then bet they would fail, according to Wall Street traders, include Deutsche Bank and Morgan Stanley, as well as smaller firms like Tricadia Inc., an investment company whose parent firm was overseen by Lewis A. Sachs, who this year became a special counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner.
How these disastrously performing securities were devised is now the subject of scrutiny by investigators in Congress, at the Securities and Exchange Commission and at the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, Wall Street’s self-regulatory organization, according to people briefed on the investigations. Those involved with the inquiries declined to comment.
While the investigations are in the early phases, authorities appear to be looking at whether securities laws or rules of fair dealing were violated by firms that created and sold these mortgage-linked debt instruments and then bet against the clients who purchased them, people briefed on the matter say.
One focus of the inquiry is whether the firms creating the securities purposely helped to select especially risky mortgage-linked assets that would be most likely to crater, setting their clients up to lose billions of dollars if the housing market imploded.
Some securities packaged by Goldman and Tricadia ended up being so vulnerable that they soured within months of being created.
Goldman and other Wall Street firms maintain there is nothing improper about synthetic C.D.O.’s, saying that they typically employ many trading techniques to hedge investments and protect against losses. They add that many prudent investors often do the same. Goldman used these securities initially to offset any potential losses stemming from its positive bets on mortgage securities.
But Goldman and other firms eventually used the C.D.O.’s to place unusually large negative bets that were not mainly for hedging purposes, and investors and industry experts say that put the firms at odds with their own clients’ interests.
“The simultaneous selling of securities to customers and shorting them because they believed they were going to default is the most cynical use of credit information that I have ever seen,” said Sylvain R. Raynes, an expert in structured finance at R & R Consulting in New York. “When you buy protection against an event that you have a hand in causing, you are buying fire insurance on someone else’s house and then committing arson.”
Investment banks were not alone in reaping rich rewards by placing trades against synthetic C.D.O.’s. Some hedge funds also benefited, including Paulson & Company, according to former Goldman workers and people at other banks familiar with that firm’s trading.
Michael DuVally, a Goldman Sachs spokesman, declined to make Mr. Egol available for comment. But Mr. DuVally said many of the C.D.O.’s created by Wall Street were made to satisfy client demand for such products, which the clients thought would produce profits because they had an optimistic view of the housing market. In addition, he said that clients knew Goldman might be betting against mortgages linked to the securities, and that the buyers of synthetic mortgage C.D.O.’s were large, sophisticated investors, he said.
The creation and sale of synthetic C.D.O.’s helped make the financial crisis worse than it might otherwise have been, effectively multiplying losses by providing more securities to bet against. Some $8 billion in these securities remain on the books at American International Group, the giant insurer rescued by the government in September 2008.
From 2005 through 2007, at least $108 billion in these securities was issued, according to Dealogic, a financial data firm. And the actual volume was much higher because synthetic C.D.O.’s and other customized trades are unregulated and often not reported to any financial exchange or market.
Goldman Saw It Coming
Before the financial crisis, many investors — large American and European banks, pension funds, insurance companies and even some hedge funds — failed to recognize that overextended borrowers would default on their mortgages, and they kept increasing their investments in mortgage-related securities. As the mortgage market collapsed, they suffered steep losses.
A handful of investors and Wall Street traders, however, anticipated the crisis. In 2006, Wall Street had introduced a new index, called the ABX, that became a way to invest in the direction of mortgage securities. The index allowed traders to bet on or against pools of mortgages with different risk characteristics, just as stock indexes enable traders to bet on whether the overall stock market, or technology stocks or bank stocks, will go up or down.
Goldman, among others on Wall Street, has said since the collapse that it made big money by using the ABX to bet against the housing market. Worried about a housing bubble, top Goldman executives decided in December 2006 to change the firm’s overall stance on the mortgage market, from positive to negative, though it did not disclose that publicly.
Even before then, however, pockets of the investment bank had also started using C.D.O.’s to place bets against mortgage securities, in some cases to hedge the firm’s mortgage investments, as protection against a fall in housing prices and an increase in defaults.
Mr. Egol was a prime mover behind these securities. Beginning in 2004, with housing prices soaring and the mortgage mania in full swing, Mr. Egol began creating the deals known as Abacus. From 2004 to 2008, Goldman issued 25 Abacus deals, according to Bloomberg, with a total value of $10.9 billion.
Abacus allowed investors to bet for or against the mortgage securities that were linked to the deal. The C.D.O.’s didn’t contain actual mortgages. Instead, they consisted of credit-default swaps, a type of insurance that pays out when a borrower defaults. These swaps made it much easier to place large bets on mortgage failures.
Rather than persuading his customers to make negative bets on Abacus, Mr. Egol kept most of these wagers for his firm, said five former Goldman employees who spoke on the condition of anonymity. On occasion, he allowed some hedge funds to take some of the short trades.
Mr. Egol and Fabrice Tourre, a French trader at Goldman, were aggressive from the start in trying to make the assets in Abacus deals look better than they were, according to notes taken by a Wall Street investor during a phone call with Mr. Tourre and another Goldman employee in May 2005.
On the call, the two traders noted that they were trying to persuade analysts at Moody’s Investors Service, a credit rating agency, to assign a higher rating to one part of an Abacus C.D.O. but were having trouble, according to the investor’s notes, which were provided by a colleague who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to release them. Goldman declined to discuss the selection of the assets in the C.D.O.’s, but a spokesman said investors could have rejected the C.D.O. if they did not like the assets.
Goldman’s bets against the performances of the Abacus C.D.O.’s were not worth much in 2005 and 2006, but they soared in value in 2007 and 2008 when the mortgage market collapsed. The trades gave Mr. Egol a higher profile at the bank, and he was among a group promoted to managing director on Oct. 24, 2007.
“Egol and Fabrice were way ahead of their time,” said one of the former Goldman workers. “They saw the writing on the wall in this market as early as 2005.” By creating the Abacus C.D.O.’s, they helped protect Goldman against losses that others would suffer.
As early as the summer of 2006, Goldman’s sales desk began marketing short bets using the ABX index to hedge funds like Paulson & Company, Magnetar and Soros Fund Management, which invests for the billionaire George Soros. John Paulson, the founder of Paulson & Company, also would later take some of the shorts from the Abacus deals, helping him profit when mortgage bonds collapsed. He declined to comment.
A Deal Gone Bad, for Some
The woeful performance of some C.D.O.’s issued by Goldman made them ideal for betting against. As of September 2007, for example, just five months after Goldman had sold a new Abacus C.D.O., the ratings on 84 percent of the mortgages underlying it had been downgraded, indicating growing concerns about borrowers’ ability to repay the loans, according to research from UBS, the big Swiss bank. Of more than 500 C.D.O.’s analyzed by UBS, only two were worse than the Abacus deal.
Goldman created other mortgage-linked C.D.O.’s that performed poorly, too. One, in October 2006, was a $800 million C.D.O. known as Hudson Mezzanine. It included credit insurance on mortgage and subprime mortgage bonds that were in the ABX index; Hudson buyers would make money if the housing market stayed healthy — but lose money if it collapsed. Goldman kept a significant amount of the financial bets against securities in Hudson, so it would profit if they failed, according to three of the former Goldman employees.
A Goldman salesman involved in Hudson said the deal was one of the earliest in which outside investors raised questions about Goldman’s incentives. “Here we are selling this, but we think the market is going the other way,” he said.
A hedge fund investor in Hudson, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that because Goldman was betting against the deal, he wondered whether the bank built Hudson with “bonds they really think are going to get into trouble.”
Indeed, Hudson investors suffered large losses. In March 2008, just 18 months after Goldman created that C.D.O., so many borrowers had defaulted that holders of the security paid out about $310 million to Goldman and others who had bet against it, according to correspondence sent to Hudson investors.
The Goldman salesman said that C.D.O. buyers were not misled because they were advised that Goldman was placing large bets against the securities. “We were very open with all the risks that we thought we sold. When you’re facing a tidal wave of people who want to invest, it’s hard to stop them,” he said. The salesman added that investors could have placed bets against Abacus and similar C.D.O.’s if they had wanted to.
A Goldman spokesman said the firm’s negative bets didn’t keep it from suffering losses on its mortgage assets, taking $1.7 billion in write-downs on them in 2008; but he would not say how much the bank had since earned on its short positions, which former Goldman workers say will be far more lucrative over time. For instance, Goldman profited to the tune of $1.5 billion from one series of mortgage-related trades by Mr. Egol with Wall Street rival Morgan Stanley, which had to book a steep loss, according to people at both firms.
Tetsuya Ishikawa, a salesman on several Abacus and Hudson deals, left Goldman and later published a novel, “How I Caused the Credit Crunch.” In it, he wrote that bankers deserted their clients who had bought mortgage bonds when that market collapsed: “We had moved on to hurting others in our quest for self-preservation.” Mr. Ishikawa, who now works for another financial firm in London, declined to comment on his work at Goldman.
Profits From a Collapse
Just as synthetic C.D.O.’s began growing rapidly, some Wall Street banks pushed for technical modifications governing how they worked in ways that made it possible for C.D.O.’s to expand even faster, and also tilted the playing field in favor of banks and hedge funds that bet against C.D.O.’s, according to investors.
In early 2005, a group of prominent traders met at Deutsche Bank’s office in New York and drew up a new system, called Pay as You Go. This meant the insurance for those betting against mortgages would pay out more quickly. The traders then went to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, the group that governs trading in derivatives like C.D.O.’s. The new system was presented as a fait accompli, and adopted.
Other changes also increased the likelihood that investors would suffer losses if the mortgage market tanked. Previously, investors took losses only in certain dire “credit events,” as when the mortgages associated with the C.D.O. defaulted or their issuers went bankrupt.
But the new rules meant that C.D.O. holders would have to make payments to short sellers under less onerous outcomes, or “triggers,” like a ratings downgrade on a bond. This meant that anyone who bet against a C.D.O. could collect on the bet more easily.
“In the early deals you see none of these triggers,” said one investor who asked for anonymity to preserve relationships. “These things were built in to provide the dealers with a big payoff when something bad happened.”
Banks also set up ever more complex deals that favored those betting against C.D.O.’s. Morgan Stanley established a series of C.D.O.’s named after United States presidents (Buchanan and Jackson) with an unusual feature: short-sellers could lock in very cheap bets against mortgages, even beyond the life of the mortgage bonds. It was akin to allowing someone paying a low insurance premium for coverage on one automobile to pay the same on another one even if premiums over all had increased because of high accident rates.
At Goldman, Mr. Egol structured some Abacus deals in a way that enabled those betting on a mortgage-market collapse to multiply the value of their bets, to as much as six or seven times the face value of those C.D.O.’s. When the mortgage market tumbled, this meant bigger profits for Goldman and other short sellers — and bigger losses for other investors.
Selling Bad Debt
Other Wall Street firms also created risky mortgage-related securities that they bet against.
At Deutsche Bank, the point man on betting against the mortgage market was Greg Lippmann, a trader. Mr. Lippmann made his pitch to select hedge fund clients, arguing they should short the mortgage market. He sometimes distributed a T-shirt that read “I’m Short Your House!!!” in black and red letters.
Deutsche, which declined to comment, at the same time was selling synthetic C.D.O.’s to its clients, and those deals created more short-selling opportunities for traders like Mr. Lippmann.
Among the most aggressive C.D.O. creators was Tricadia, a management company that was a unit of Mariner Investment Group. Until he became a senior adviser to the Treasury secretary early this year, Lewis Sachs was Mariner’s vice chairman. Mr. Sachs oversaw about 20 portfolios there, including Tricadia, and its documents also show that Mr. Sachs sat atop the firm’s C.D.O. management committee.
From 2003 to 2007, Tricadia issued 14 mortgage-linked C.D.O.’s, which it called TABS. Even when the market was starting to implode, Tricadia continued to create TABS deals in early 2007 to sell to investors. The deal documents referring to conflicts of interest stated that affiliates and clients of Tricadia might place bets against the types of securities in the TABS deal.
Even so, the sales material also boasted that the mortgages linked to C.D.O.’s had historically low default rates, citing a “recently completed” study by Standard & Poor’s ratings agency — though fine print indicated that the date of the study was September 2002, almost five years earlier.
At a financial symposium in New York in September 2006, Michael Barnes, the co-head of Tricadia, described how a hedge fund could put on a negative mortgage bet by shorting assets to C.D.O. investors, according to his presentation, which was reviewed by The New York Times.
Mr. Barnes declined to comment. James E. McKee, general counsel at Tricadia, said, “Tricadia has never shorted assets into the TABS deals, and Tricadia has always acted in the best interests of its clients and investors.”
Mr. Sachs, through a spokesman at the Treasury Department, declined to comment.
Like investors in some of Goldman’s Abacus deals, buyers of some TABS experienced heavy losses. By the end of 2007, UBS research showed that two TABS deals were the eighth- and ninth-worst performing C.D.O.’s. Both had been downgraded on at least 75 percent of their associated assets within a year of being issued.
Tricadia’s hedge fund did far better, earning roughly a 50 percent return in 2007 and similar profits in 2008, in part from the short bets
And before you get carried away with the notion that Goldman
(the anointed patsy) is going to go down heavily under the SEC
prosecution, take a look below.
This is looking like a smoke & mirrors prosecution
to boost the credibility of the SEC and the System:
The SEC's Fraud Case Against Goldman Seems VERY Weak
Henry Blodget | Apr. 16, 2010, 3:50 PM
We have now read the SEC's fraud allegations against Goldman and Fabrice Tourre in detail.
This will sound surprising given how much Goldman's stock and the equity market have been hammered by the allegations, but here's our initial take:
The SEC's case against Goldman Sachs seems very weak.
The SEC's case against Fabrice Tourre seems slightly stronger, but it's hardly a slam dunk.
Let's go to the details...
THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ALLEGATIONS IN THE SEC'S COMPLAINT:
Goldman failed to disclose to buyers of the ABACUS CDO that Paulson & Co. had been involved in the process of selecting the securities in the CDO.
Fabrice Tourre, the Goldman SVP who put together the deal, gave the outside manager who selected the securities, ACA, the impression that Paulson & Co. would be buying the equity of the CDO instead of shorting it.
Let's take those one by one.
DID GOLDMAN NEED TO DISCLOSE PAULSON'S INVOLVEMENT?
The SEC alleges that Goldman failed to disclose to investors that Paulson & Co. played a role in selecting the securities that were included in the CDO in question. Instead, the SEC says, Goldman merely told investors that a third-party firm, ACA, was the "Portfolio Selection Agent."
Based on a close reading of the SEC's evidence, however, Goldman likely has a strong argument that it was not required to disclose that Paulson & Co. had been involved in the selection process.
Because it is clear from the email snippets the SEC cites that ACA had full control over which securities were selected for the final portfolio.
For example, Paulson picked 123 securities it wanted in the CDO. ACA reviewed Paulson's picks and then sent an email to Goldman saying it was comfortable using only 55 of them. Later, ACA submitted its draft portfolio to Paulson, and Paulson requested that ACA eliminate 8 securities. ACA agreed to do this--but it clearly still had the authority to approve--or not--the final portfolio.
And here's an important fact that the SEC omitted. In addition to picking the securities for the deal, ACA was also the lead investor in the transaction.
So the SEC's evidence does show that Paulson was involved in the security selection. It also suggests, however, that ACA was the final arbiter of what would be included and what wouldn't. It seems appropriate, therefore, for Goldman to describe ACA as the "Portfolio Selection Agent." It does NOT seem obviously necessary for Goldman to have mentioned that Paulson was involved in the selection.
Because dozens of things were presumably involved in the security selection. ACA had constructed more than 20 of these products. It had its own analysts and models. It clearly did not just simply rubber-stamp Paulson's suggestions (on the contrary--it dinged more than half of them).
So the SEC's claim that Goldman should have disclosed Paulson's involvement in the selection process seems weak. And the lead investor in the CDO, ACA, also knew full well that Paulson had been involved, because it worked with Paulson itself!
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject:
Wait y'all... we have to like read and study history/money, keep our eyes and ears open, be patient, earnest and keep an open mind? Fuuuuuck. I'm sooo lazy. Wouldn't it be much easier to prove somehow that there were explosives in the towers? Or that a missile hit the pentagon? I'd rather get stoned and argue with cops guys thank you...eventually the truth will
come out if I yell loud enough about something that has nothing to do with it right?
You are now (as always ?)officially embedded with Infowars/We.
Yeah there's 3 more parts if you even care.
Yeah it's 2010.
Indeed a very weak case, as I mentioned just an attempt to say " See we did do our job " Only that's bullshit.
Anyone here want to fancy a guess at what starting salary is for first years who simply read SEC FILINGS ( Making sure everything is up to snuff ) low six figures to start. The point being that these people higher up SEC food chains get paid very very well to do their jobs, so anyone in position to scuttle Goldman over a fraud case by passing on certain documents or information to the feds would possible consider it all part of doing their job.
So how was it that Goldman was capable of hiding such deals in plain sight? I don't really think that they did, as I've said many times before someone KNOWS and someone certainly ( within the SEC ) knew at the time--I claim they simply turned a blind eye---only their mistake was in thinking WHAT'S A FEW BILLION DOLLARS anyway That simply points toward some peoples misconception of reality. Enough on that one:
Here comes Slick Willy: Have to mention him as he's been connected to the machine responsible for 9-11 > He says he scared Imagine that ( rolls eyes shakes head severely )!!
Clinton alludes to 1995 bombing, says words matter
WASHINGTON (AP) - Former President Bill Clinton warned of a slippery slope from angry anti-government rhetoric to violence like the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, saying "the words we use really do matter."
The two-term Democratic president insisted he wasn't trying to restrict free speech, but in remarks Friday he said incendiary language can be taken the wrong way by some Americans. He drew parallels to words demonizing the government before Oklahoma City.
On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Timothy McVeigh exploded a truck bomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people.
"What we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that we should reduce our passion for the positions we hold - but that the words we use really do matter, because there's this vast echo chamber, and they go across space and they fall on the serious and the delirious alike. They fall on the connected and the unhinged alike," he said.
"One of the things that the conservatives have always brought to the table in America is a reminder that no law can replace personal responsibility. And the more power you have and the more influence you have, the more responsibility you have."
Clinton made the remarks at events sponsored by the Center for American Progress Action Fund on the upcoming anniversary of the bombing.
He mentioned the rancorous fight over President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. Passage of the law elicited threats against some lawmakers.
And now for the really really juicy stuff >> LOL
"I'm glad they're fighting over health care and everything else. Let them have at it. But I think that all you have to do is read the paper every day to see how many people there are who are deeply, deeply troubled," he said.
He also alluded to the anti-government tea party movement, which held protests in several states Thursday. At the Washington rally, Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota railed against "gangster government."
Clinton argued that the Boston Tea Party was in response to taxation without representation. The current protesters, he said, are challenging taxation by elected officials, and the demonstrators have the power to vote them out of office.
"By all means keep fighting, by all means, keep arguing," he said. "But remember, words have consequences as much as actions do, and what we advocate, commensurate with our position and responsibility, we have to take responsibility for. We owe that to Oklahoma City." [quote]
Question: Can it really be that Clinton owes it to himself OVER OK CITY?
Maybe all the stress of covering up shit like a one legged cat is at the root of his emergency Hospital visits!! Maybe his conscience has gotten to him, or maybe it's working on him a bit more than usual:
Come on Bill---Americans don't read newspapers. They chase Phat girls, go to strip clubs, eat fast food, and play video games:
I bet 8 of 10 high school kids can't find Ok City on a map, much less spell it or have a clue about the powers of fertilizer.
Looks like Dunne may have called this one EARLY when he said:
Never before have these guys been so vulnerable: or something to that effect.
Attacking free speech and calling it dangerous, the words I mean, simply the words: ROTFLMAO
Spit it out Bill---What's the real message here Pal? Something in the works just in case the PEOPLES GET TOO RILED UP----Another OK CITY up your sleeve? Give an old man a fucking break for once in your miserable crooked ass life!
Cut from the same cloth--chip off of the old block-broke the mold-on and phucking on---ENOUGH!
This is what the SEC really needs to put a stop to. I'm going to post GS trade history for the last five sessions: I'll let you guys see if you can spot the culprit within the volume.
Date open High Low Close Volume
16-Apr-10 183.62 186.41 155.55 160.70 101,955,800
15-Apr-10 185.54 185.60 183.66 184.27 7,838,700
14-Apr-10 183.91 185.94 183.07 184.92 12,556,400
13-Apr-10 177.56 180.00 177.11 179.25 6,466,400
12-Apr-10 179.36 180.38 177.84 177.84 6,040,800
I could go back to Friday the ninth and take a look at the Market on close orders but I don;t need to---All I need to do is look at the Volume on the 14th----Who wants to wager me that much of that was short selling ahead of Fridays news?
Wanted to post G Juniors initial request for help, his cry for help shortly after 9-11 as it unfolded in an effort to find the connections to those who may have had a hand in the deed. LOL Ridiculous that is.
Request for Records Search by Securities-Related
Entities, including Brokers, Dealers, Investment
Advisers, Investment Companies, Municipal
Securities Dealers and Transfer Agents
Washington, DC, September 26, 2001 -- On September
23, 2001, President Bush signed an executive order
freezing United States assets of and blocking
transactions with 27 individuals and organizations.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has also published
a list of people who are under investigation in
connection with the World Trade Center and Pentagon
attacks. The Commission asks that all securities-
related entities (whether or not registered with the
SEC) voluntarily check their records for any
relationships or transactions with the individuals and
organizations named in the executive order or FBI's
list. Names on those lists are set forth below.
We are asking all securities-related
entities, including brokers, dealers, investment
advisers, investment companies, municipal securities
dealers, and transfer agents, for your help. If you
know of any relationship (for example, an account), or
a transaction (such as the purchase or sale of
securities or a wire transfer), with any of the
individuals or organizations on this list, please let
us know.You may send this information via:
* U.S. mail to United States Securities and Exchange
Commission, 450 Fifth Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20549-
0801, Attn: Executive Order Records Search.
We also ask securities-related entities to
advise any foreign subsidiaries and affiliates of this
request. If foreign subsidiaries or affiliates
identify any responsive information, we ask the
securities-related entities to notify the SEC in the
manner described above, so that we may take appropriate
steps to obtain the information.
The list: Noted complied in 14-15 days- yet the big fish has yet to be found, I always chuckle when I hear his name.
List of Individuals and Entities
Al Qaida/Islamic Army (or Al Qaeda)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (AIAI)
Islamic Army of Aden
Usama bin Laden (or Osama bin Laden)
Muhammad Atif (aka, Subhi Abu Sitta, Abu Hafs Al Masri)
Shaykh Sai'id (aka, Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad)
Abu Hafs the Mauritanian (aka, Mahfouz Ould al-Walid,
Khalid Al-Shanqiti)Ibn Al-Shaykh al-Libi
Abu Zubaydah (aka, Zayn al-Abidin Muhammad Husayn,
Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi (aka, Abu Abdallah)
Thirwat Salah Shihata
Tariq Anwar al-Sayyid Ahmad (aka, Fathi, Amr al-Fatih)
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject:
Whoa!, excellent Fintan, so now we have (for the most part) a site or sister-site dedicated to 9/11 research? Awesome way to keep the assholes on foot, since we're not going anywhere. This is great, I also noticed the forums are based in BFN's forums yes? brilliant . I cannot wait to hear the audio.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject:
That ol'Fintan edge is back and I hope that this material gets distributed far and wide to as many new audiences as possible.
Keep on keepin' on.
edit: 9/11 as a 'glitch in the Matrix', indeed - rather like JFK getting offed - but that was then and this is now. _________________ The rule for today.
Touch my tail, I shred your hand.
New rule tomorrow.
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