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Rick Dagless



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Strange. Reply with quote

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No. 2 ) Surrounded by seasoned combat Vets, when he had to re-load why wasn't his ass jumped by someone? Is it possible that they were pinned down by other shooters?
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This dude might very well have been controlled in some manner and used as a tool.



Combat vets are also extremely good at evading and hiding from people shooting at them. It's an essential combat survival skill.

As for the Psyop angle does anyone else find it interesting that John Mohammed, Nation of Islam member and "DC Sniper" (supposedly) was executed last night. I had pretty much forgotten about the guy, as I suspect most people had but somehow he is right back on the front page as the dust is starting to settle from the Fort Hood shootings supposedly committed by Lee Harvey Hassan.

Two US soldiers, both Muslims, both psycho killers (supposedly) and both in the press spotlight with less than a week overlap. Good timing guys!

One other strange. If this guy Hassan was such a bad doctor and such a bad soldier and such a bad officer and he got bad reviews and nobody liked him and he wasn't doing his job...how the hell did he get promoted to Major?!

The US Army doesn't just hand out promotions like that for giggles. They only promote someone in the officer corps if that officer is perceived to be doing a good job. And he made rank quick.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: MP's? Reply with quote

A big mystery is why we have heard almost nothing about Hasan's enlisted army time--


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier.

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/fort-15473-college-barstow.html
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan attended Barstow College’s satellite campus at Fort Irwin from the spring semester of 1989 to the spring semester of 1990, according to college spokeswoman Maureen Stokes. Hasan’s residential address zip code also indicated that he was living on post, according to Stokes.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/hasan-may-be-former-barstow-college-student-69451457.html
Fort Irwin officials say they don't have a record of him being at the California fort 40 miles from Barstow where U.S. soldiers receive final training in counterinsurgency operations.
"We don't ever have him as enlisted," said John Wagstaffe, Fort Irwin's public affairs director.

There is no doubt the Hasan was in the military soon after he graduated high school in 1988. So why does the army refuse to acknowledge this or even address the issue? When I was in, enlisted did a minimum of four years active, yet Hasan is back to being a community college student near his home town of Roanoke soon after Ft. Irwin, studying from 1990 to 1992[where no one seems to have any memory of him]. That was right about the time Gulf War I breaks out. Apparently the army didn't need any arabic speakers as translators or intell guys. Did the Army release him from his commitment? No way. Not unless he was doing army business. Then later he goes onto to study at expensive Virginia Tech [in contradiction to earlier reports, no help from any ROTC scholarship]. How did he support himself and his tuition all these years? There is no record of a job during any of this period.

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Rick Dagless



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: MP's? Reply with quote

starviego wrote:
A big mystery is why we have heard almost nothing about Hasan's enlisted army time--


Now that's interesting. He seems to have been an enlisted soldier at one time yet the army can't find any record of it.

If he really was an enlisted soldier, his college records indicate he claimed to be an army PFC, I'd like to know what his MOS was and what his duty stations were while on active duty. Heck, I'd like to get a peek at his training records too. It would be interesting to see which training centers he attended and for what.

Here's an excellent thread about Hassan BTW. Check out the comparisons of pictures of him where he looks friendly and nice and how those were morphed into blurry, black and white pictures that make him look more "terroristy":

http://exiledonline.com/fort-hood-cover-up-a-dozen-tales-of-disinformation/

BTW, does anyone know if it's 'Hasan' or 'Hassan'? I'm seeing it spelled different ways in news articles.

Just found this. Even 'The Army Times' newspaper is trying to find out just who this guy really is:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/11/military_hasan_information_110509/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some interesting comments from ex military in this article about the official narrative is full of holes.

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A retired army Capt. who served 7 years in the 173rd Airborne including time as a S-3 in a RSTA squadron said this: "There is no way a psychiatrist - basically an intellectual desk jockey - shot off hundreds of rounds with two pistols and hit about 40 people without being subdued by someone. Come on! He wasn't a trained assassin or a special ops commando shooting up a mall. He would have had to reload and that means putting one of the pistols down and reloading the other with seasoned combat vets in that deployment center. It only takes seconds to reload, but it only takes a second to subdue him."

A retired MP, Michael Martinez also said: "No way! That would be impossible. Even if he had two semi-auto pistols [according to early reports he used a 9mm and a .357 revolver to gun down over 40 people] he would still have had to stop to reload and someone would have jumped his ass. Most people on base aren't carrying [weapons], but MPs are and they would have been there in a heartbeat."

SFC Donald Buswell said, "I spent 10 years at Ft Hood. There is no way this 'official' story is legitimate. No way would a room full of combat vets allow this one shooter to get off over 100 rounds! And, it is not normal for the outside security guards to be there. They are at the MP station, and at the main gates. This means the room full of soldiers processing must have been pinned down; multiple shooters is the only plausible scenario. This sounds like Maj. Hasan has been used, and perhaps is a patsy."

Michael Gaddy, an army veteran of Vietnam, Beirut and Grenada writes: "The facts as presented by the Army and the media [about] the shooting at Fort Hood just don’t compute. People on the ground have told me cell phone towers were jammed to prevent unauthorized dissemination of information after the shooting."


http://www.examiner.com/x-23316-Madison-Independent-Examiner~y2009m11d10-Ft-Hood-Official-story-full-of-holes[/quote]

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwikeith wrote:
Here are some interesting comments from ex military in this article about the official narrative is full of holes.


Interesting comments indeed.

From the comments below the article I found this which includes an interesting scenario:

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"I have come up with one possible scenario. It was suggested to me by the reported question by the recovering policewoman: "Did anyone die?" She should have had a really good answer to this question if she fired at the end of the carnage. So she apparently fired at the beginning and then lost consciousness. But how did Hasan keep on firing after being hit four times by her?. So here is one possible scenario. Hasan was warned that there could be trouble at the center, where he was going in preparation for deployment. He was advised to carry a gun to protect against anyone who might plan to shoot him or others at the center, including a terrorist disguised as a lady cop. The lady cop was given similar instructions. She was warned that there was a crazy Muslim in uniform who was planning to shoot the place up. She was pointed toward Hasan. He reacted and then they shot each other up...


Another comment mentions the possible use of 'frangible' bullets to confuse a ballistics investigation:

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...At that point the shooters designated to create the real carnage opened up and blasted away, using frangible bullets in 5.7 caliber, so that they could not be traced to any particular barrel. Other angles are possible. For instance, he may not have had the 5.7 in his possession at all, and the lady cop could have been shot by other shooters with that caliber. So Hasan may not have fired a single shot. Once again, my suspicions were aroused by her question: "Did anybody die?" That simply does not make sense if the incident occurred at the end of the massacre rather than the beginning. These are just discardable thoughts and the framework for the start of scenario building".


What is a 'frangible' bullet?:

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http://www.frangiblebullets.com/

When a frangible bullet impacts a solid surface such as a steel plate or backstop, complete fragmentation occurs with the bullet disintegrating into small pieces. The result is a pink dust rather than large lead or jacket fragments. Frangible hollow point bullets exhibit dramatic performance in ballistic gelatin.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm on a side note, I wonder if I should dig further into the John Allen Muhammed Shootings. Some folks were making hay out of the time of death (9:11pm) and Muhammed's own testimony mention the FBI, CIA & Hackers lol. Either way, back on topic, sorry guys.
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Rick Dagless



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Boss wrote:
Hmm on a side note, I wonder if I should dig further into the John Allen Muhammed Shootings. Some folks were making hay out of the time of death (9:11pm) and Muhammed's own testimony mention the FBI, CIA & Hackers lol. Either way, back on topic, sorry guys.


Funny how both of these "crazy, killer, American muslims" ended up being at the top of the news charts together no?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Link? Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
The USA seems to have the highest absolute number of privately owned guns in the world yet it has one of the lowest ratios per capita of homicides by gun.

The statistics were quoted in - of all things - the Financial Times!


Michael, do you by chance have a link for that? Sounds like something I can use to defend myself and other gun owners from the anti-gun weirdos. I just did a quick web search and couldn't find it.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are now saying that the shooting happened in one location--

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/shootings_occurred_in_one_area.html
3:56 PM
At a press conference on the post, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said the people were killed in one incident at the soldier readiness facility.... The shootings occurred in one place on the base, and did not spread to other areas as had previously been reported.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
The incident took place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area[aka soldier readiness processing center, aka Soldier Rating and Processing center, aka the SRP site], the station reported. [That complex is on the West side of post, off Battalion Avenue]


But early accounts pointed to a number of discrete events happening in different places--

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread516987/
pg28 The local radio and eye witnesses also reported shootings at 4 other locations in the area. .... None of this is being covered nationally.[poster uncivilcivilian]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
.... according to NBC News affiliate KCEN in Waco, ... the person was holed up in building 42006 on the base...

http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36896
Fort Hood officials have reported a shooting at the barracks by Howze Theater on Old Ironside and 41st Street

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/05/texas.fort.hood.witnesses/
Arrest of a suspect at a golf course 2.5 miles from the attack, shortly after attack

http://www.CentralTexasNow.com/
As of 4:32 eastern, the warning sirens have started again. There are reports of gunfire again in one of the neighborhoods on post.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143149.40
no. 70
Additional shots were reported at a soldier's residence, KCEN-TV reported around 4:30pm

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_just_a_lone_gunman/
KCEN-TV in Waco is reporting that police have surrounded the PX at Fort Hood.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143149.40
no.195
There are reports this afternoon that there are one or more shooters at a PX (Post Exchange) at Fort Hood

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143149.40
no.556
...the IRN announcement on GCN yesterday. A girl who wanted only to be identified as "tiffany" said that shots were being fired from THREE locations. She mentioned the places but I only remember her saying the PBX was one of the locations.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread516987/pg1
--Not sure if it's an actual troop or not, but a call just came into the local PD that a man with a gun & fatigues is at the Dollar Store. SWAT & units from the base are being mobilized.[poster thomasblackraven]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6510855/Seven-dead-in-shooting-at-Fort-Hood-military-base-in-Texas.html
One gunman was caught quickly but the second went on the run and was cornered by SWAT teams in a traumatic brain injury unit on the base where a gun battle erupted

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread516987/
pg 32 [poster uncivilcivilian]
--Why is there no news coverage of the shootings at the Clear Creek PX, Liberty Village, and Comanche Village?

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Rick Dagless



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

starviego wrote:
They are now saying that the shooting happened in one location--



Wow starviego, you are finding some interesting articles!

From your first link:

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U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Austin, who has been briefed on the shootings, said Hasan was a physician who was born in Virginia to parents who hailed from Jordan.

He had previously been reported as Malik Nadal Hasan.

Jeff Sadosky, a spokesman for U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, said the senator had been told that Hasan was upset about his upcoming deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan.

An AP source said Hasan had received a poor performance evaluation for Army hospital work. Hasan had been a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to Fort Hood in July, the Associated Press said, citing military officials in Washington.

The suspect, McCaul said, “took a lot of advanced training in shooting.”


Really? Training by whom? Training from military instructors? If so was he directed to take that training and if so, why?

Pfft!:

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McCaul said he also has been told that Hasan had undergone alcohol counseling.


Soooooo....he's a devout, muslim extremist who drinks too much! Alrighty then! Hey, somebody please call Daniel Hopsicker so he can investigate whether Hasan also has a coke habit and a stripper girlfriend. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol!@ Rick and Star, as always, nice finds! Rick its also funny you mention these 2 being 'uploaded' at the same time lol, I was thinking the EXACT same thing as I read through the Muhammed scenario. In the context of Manchurian's, there's never a shortage of military grunts lol. We'll see what further analysis brings in any event.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article with the referenced stats ,Rick Dagless, appeared in the FINANCIAL TIMES a year or so ago. I saved the hard copy but need to look it up.Perhaps you can find it in the FT archives - assuming it has not 'disappeared' by now.
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