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moylan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not forget another piece of conditioning: the big, stupid "asteroids hitting earth" Armageddon. (Remember that there was a thing running at the time about big, terrorist asteroids heading for earth to obliterate us all unless we were responsible enough to surrender some of our liberties?)

Anyway, in the sequence where the terrorist asteroids strike New York, we have an aerial shot of the Twin Towers. And guess what? They resemble a shot from September 11th, 2001. Big gashes in the buildings, leaking black smoke.

As for Fight Club, it's right on the propaganda money. Tyler Durden is the archetypal Bin Laden, resentful of commercialization and the good life, recruiting an army and indoctrinating them with slogans which they moronically recite, making *large quantities of nitro-glycerin* in bathtubs. The message of the film is obvious... the narrator must grow up, slough off his immature, rebellious, terroristic, base impulses, accept the commodified world he lives in. The impulse to revolt is merely psychosis, fascism, immaturity, a refusal to "measure up" to the "realities of today's globalized world".

Any chance our friend Chuck is a paid disinfo agent?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mission Impossible III

Tagline:

"Expect the Impossible Again."

Fintan/Kathy, may I suggest that you start a new thread, i.e:

Postconditioning Events for 9/11.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for pre-/ post-contitioning in movies: Minority Report
-all though part ot the idea is that technology doesn't always work as it is suppose to.



IMDB wrote:
In the year 2054, a so-called "pre-crime division" is working around Washington, DC. Its purpose is to use the precog(nitive) potential of three genetically altered humans to prevent murders. When the three precogs, who only work together, floating connected in a tank of fluid, have a vision, the names of the victim and the perpetrator as well as video imagery of the crime and the exact time it will happen, are given out to the special cops who then try to prevent the crime from happening.


I guess predictive programming works best when our conscious mind think we are being entertained, so when things appear in society resembling scenarios and technology in movies, etc, it is doesn't appear as "strange" and "foreign" to us. (As for Philip K. Dick: Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep (Total Recall), Blade Runner, Minority Report). Certainly blockbusters and viewed by million and millions of people.

Tech:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7271 (Military)
http://www.techweb.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=173600535 (Data Mining)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6379146923853181774 (Apple - Amazing!)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good one, DeepLogos.

BTW I had the misfortune to see S.W.A.T a night or so ago.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257076/

Noticed one of the soundtrack listings was a dog awful track called 'S.W.A.T 911'

If I were the X-Files conspiracy type I might just think that this could be an attempt at subliminal suggestion, i.e. Special Weapons And Tactics used on 9/11.

Hmmm.

BTW I think our discussion of 9/11 postconditioning should be moved to Suggestions for Other Topics.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind 9-1-1 is also the emergency phone number in the US, and has been for a long time, so reference (before or since 9/11/01) to 911 or even 9-11 (nine-eleven, as it's sometimes pronounced) doesn't necessarily entail reference to the September 11 attacks per se.

One of the first things that occured to me on September 11, 2001, after hearing about the terrorist attacks, was that the date was equivalent to the 9-1-1 emergency number -- almost surely not a coincidence (though it doesn't prove who's guilty, only that whoever set the date was probably familiar with 911 as an emergency number in the US). No one talked much about this, but it seemed obvious enough to me, and it may account for some of the psychological impact of 9/11 and the state of emergency associated with the War o' Terror.


Speaking of numbers, there's also the obvious symbology of the 11 in 9/11 representing the twin towers (their profile in the city skyline), as well as the interesting fact that the first plane to hit the twin towers was Flight 11, and (somewhat less remarkable) that one of the other flights was Flight 77. Again, this doesn't prove who's guilty, but it does suggest that some thought went into the planning of at least the date, and quite possibly the choice of at least one of the flight numbers (Flight 11). I'm not sure how easy it would have been to arrange a Flight 11 on 9/11 at the desired time and location (presumably east coast or New England, and early enough in the morning to not cause a significantly larger death toll at the WTC). It still might have been coincidence, but I'm inclined to think not.

Along similar lines is the fact that the two airlines used were United and American -- symbols of the USA, as the WTC and Pentagon are well-known symbols of American financial and military power -- not Delta or Northwest or Continental, for instance.

Finally, one more piece of possible symbology, which DL's Godzilla image suggested to me. The time of the first plane crash, into the WTC, was 8:46. If it had come only a short while later (9 minutes), the time on an analog watch or clock would have shown the hour and minute hands pointing at 9 and 11, respectively. This might have been an intention, but impossible to control because of the unpredictability of flight delays. The same could have been true for one of the other flights: intended to reach its target (Flight 93 to the White House? Who knows...) at approximately 10:45, which would have the minute and hour hands pointing at about 9 and 11. Or the goal might have been merely to have the attacks happen between 9:00 and 11:00, or the first one near 9:11, or something like that. Of course this is just idle speculation, and doesn't prove anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

macauleym

no, not idle. Good points, very good points. They lend weight to those of us who hold the conviction that the planning of this was skin-tight timelined.

It's stuff that makes you and me sit up and think.

Shiver.

The timing and other numbers are just astonishing. Coincidence is simply not enough to explain -- or begin to explain -- all this.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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atm wrote:
Good one, DeepLogos.

BTW I had the misfortune to see S.W.A.T a night or so ago.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257076/

Noticed one of the soundtrack listings was a dog awful track called 'S.W.A.T 911'

If I were the X-Files conspiracy type I might just think that this could be an attempt at subliminal suggestion, i.e. Special Weapons And Tactics used on 9/11.

Hmmm.

BTW I think our discussion of 9/11 postconditioning should be moved to Suggestions for Other Topics. [EAK writes:"Agree, I suggested that under 'Suggestion thread' "]

atm Idea




Soundtrack here >> (caption: "Even cops call 911") Wink

Homeland security promo? (Desember 2001):



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A few symbolical "horderves":

Macauleym, the symbology of '911' is very interesting, and I have speculated along the same lines myself. There is too much that fits together for it to be a coincidence in my opinion. This kind of symbology is not so much, as some suggest, a masonic obsession with numerology and the like, but rather chosen to support the story of islamic fundamentalists trying to bring down 'the American (western) way of life', striking targets of national, economic and military importance to maximize the psychological effect. Also, the Madrid bombing happened 911 days after 9/11, at 11/3, which by the way is the emergency number (113) in Norway (make of that what you like... Wink).

As for other symbolic factors and dates; the bus that blew up on 7/7 in London, did so in Tavistock Square (and what has the Tavistock Istitute been linked to historically?), not far from a statue of Mahatma Ghandi (non-violence).

7 out of 7 buildings (7/7) were also destroyed on 9/11.

This 4-DVD set was released on 9/11-2000:



And the themes of the movies are...?

Cursory:
As for 9/11 and the bible I found a few intersting passages:
God wrote:
Jeremiah 9:11 "I will make Jerusalem (New?) a heap of ruins,
a haunt of jackals;
and I will lay waste the towns of Judah
so no one can live there."

(Israel's restoration) Amos 9:11 "In that day I will restore
David's fallen tent.
I will repair its broken places,
restore its ruins,
and build it as it used to be,

Revelation 9:11
They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon


I posted this in the drills section, bit it may be more suitable to post it here:
Quote:
Ok, this may be a little farfethed: A little occult scenario. (People just have to have speculated along these lines...)

1) The "air security" exercise Amalgum Virgo took place, as stated above, on the 1st-2nd of June 2001.

2) 'Amalgum' is a filling used for teeth containing 'mercury', a toxic metal. Amalgum hides a cavity, or "covers something".

3) 'Mercury' is also the god of trade and profit, but what is more important; he is also the god of thieves!

4) The starsign of 'Virgo' is not in June (1-2), but from August 23 - September 22!! (9/11)

4) The time of 'Amalgum Virgo' corresponds to 'Gemini', the twins! (Twin exercises - one test in June, one real in September!


Hmmm...isn't there a pattern here? Wink

-DL-


Some of these may be farfetched, though.... Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear DeepLogos

far fetched? Far from it!

Excellent analysis.

Re: S.W.A.T.

Check the, ahem, song names:

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6140298/a/S.W.A.T..htm

I'll list them, highlighting the astonishing ones. This is incredible:

1. Bullet Frenzy
2. Don't Shoot Me Baby
3. My Big Black Assault Weapon [Rascist reference to Samuel L. Jackson?]
4. AK-47 Scherzo [4+7=11. Also A=1. K=11 i.e. 11 is 'A1'.]
5. Three Chords In Two Minutes [2*3=6.]
6. Run For Your Life [People running from the 9/11 pyroclastic flows?]
7. Fascist Shuffle, The [GOP & Dems in concert i.e. cabinet re-shuffles/left-right paradigm shuffling?]
8. S.W.A.T. 911 - Danny Saber
9. Crash Landing [U.S./global economic crash?]
10. That Cop Stole My Car [That Cop Stole My Rights?]
11. S.W.A.T. Sticker [Police State here to stay?]
12. Bullet Frenzy II [11/11 mirroring?]
13. Time Is Running Out - Apollo Four Forty [4*40=160. 1+6=7.]
14. Samuel Jackson - Hot Action Cop

Apollo: (Greek mythology) Greek god of light; god of prophesy and poetry and music and healing; son of Zeus and Leto; twin brother of Artemis [goddess of the hunt].

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dapollo

More on Apollo:

Apollo is considered to have dominion over the plague, light, healing, colonists, medicine, archery, poetry, prophecy, dance, reason, intellectualism and as the patron defender of herds and flocks. Apollo had a famous oracle in Crete and other notable ones in Clarus and Branchidae. As the god of religious healing, Apollo purified those persons guilty of murder or other grievous sins.

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo

Apollo is a comic book superhero who first appeared in the Stormwatch series, but is best known for his role in The Authority. While visualy distinct, Apollo is very much cast in the mold of the Superman archetype. His powers include super-strength, flight, near invulnerability and heat-vision. Like Superman, Apollo also gets his powers from the Sun.

[BTW superheroes are considered by Christians blasphemous as they pretend to be higher than or equal to God. They are satanic symbols. When Man sees himself as God in his own right he rejects the One True God -- Man is then said to be Satanic.]

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=3&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_(comics)

All 17 missions of Apollo had a goal to land on the moon. One of the most known stories today is Apollo 13 which was made into a movie.

[1*7=7; 1*3=3; 3*7=21; 2+1=3. 7+3+3= 13. Or 7*3*3=63. 6+3=9 -- kids stuff.]

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=17&oi=define&q=http://library.thinkquest.org/5014/glossary.html

Who were Zeus and Leto?

Zeus: In mythology the god of gods, the head god, sky god.

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=5&oi=define&q=http://www.pau.edu.tr/laodikeia/english/glossary.htm

King of the Gods and greatest of the twelve Olympians. He was god of the heavens, weather, fate, and kings. See also Loves & Family of Zeus; Cult of Zeus.

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=3&oi=define&q=http://www.theoi.com/STUXZ.htm

Leto:

wife or mistress of Zeus and mother of Apollo and Artemis in ancient mythology; called Latona in Roman mythology

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dleto

In Greek mythology Lētō' (Greek: Λητώ, Lato in Dorian Greek, the "hidden one") is known to be a daughter of the Titans Coeus and Phoebe, and in the Olympian scheme of things, Zeus is the father of her twins, Apollo and Artemis. Still, Leto is scarcely to be conceived apart from being pregnant and finding a suitable place to be delivered of Apollo, the second of her twins. ...

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto

Just the tip of the iceberg.

I am utterly convinced that this type of thing is subliminal programming, on one level or another. 'They' are showing 'their' hand but because 'we' are so mis-educated/un-educated/de-educated most of us simply cannot 'see' it can we, Neo? Neutral

[Footnote. Deeplogos, I am NOT suggesting that you are Neo posing as another poster (but I am certain that he and his cohort will try that tactic sooner rather than later). He said I am an 'idiot' -- the latter was just a taste of the sideswipes he's in for if he attempts to assassinate my character again :roll: .]

Consider this. Ever wondered why Samuel L. Jackson gets to play da muddafucka in so many police action movies?

Alpha-numeric cryptanalysts are go!

S=19

L=12

J=10 [The zero is numerologically valueless so, 10 becomes 1, allegedly.]

=32

[2*3=6.]

BTW I am NOT a Christian.

There is more hidden here.

Get thinking DL/forumites. Fintan, have I stated my case enough viz. thepostconditioning hypothesis? Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservation Tech wrote:
Co-incidentally - - -
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11


I Have More.......

State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union
New York City - 11 Letters
Afghanistan - 11 Letters
The Pentagon - 11 Letters
Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993)
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11
Crazy?


Shocked

I reiterate his last question... Crazy? Wink

We may not want to get totally lost in the symbology/ numerology of 9/11, as this is most likely a deliberate diversion (+ coincidence theory), and not exactly a preconditioning event as such...? Arrow

Interesting, though...

-DL- Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, maybe I'm a bit crazy. But I'm not stupid.

Crazy. Not stupid. Not an idiot, either.

'Conservation Tech' sure has found a lot of elevens there hasn't he?

What to make of it? Diversion to get the Texe Marrsite Christian Sensationalists in a spin cycle?

Quite probably.

But, then I thought, if I were a member of the CSI team, um, take a look.

Greek tradegy anyone? Or how about a CSI psychic reading from the (gag on my pretzel) Sixth Sense Occult Shop?

I did NOT make that last bit up (but I did gag on my pretzel).

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/psychic/

Full CSI Web site here:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/

It just gets weirder and weirder. But then, that's how they're playing all of us.

We know that. Better to know, eh?

For instance, I know Kung Fu. So does...

atm Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to overflood the thread with Bible quotes, but given that there are quite a few christians in the US and the world in general, it may be useful to know what the Bible has to say about things relating (in their eyes) remotely to 9/11, as it relates to "the word of God" and prophesy in general. Many people believe in this stuff... (mind you, I am not religious in any stretch of the word):

I'll leave it up to you to read the meaning into this, allthough I have used my marker on the most obvious... Wink

Isaiah 30, 21-33 wrote:
21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This is the way; walk in it." 22 Then you will defile your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, "Away with you!"

23 He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows. 24 The oxen and donkeys that work the soil will eat fodder and mash, spread out with fork and shovel. 25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.

27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar,
with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke;
his lips are full of wrath,
and his tongue is a consuming fire.

28 His breath is like a rushing torrent,
rising up to the neck.
He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction;
he places in the jaws of the peoples
a bit that leads them astray.


29 And you will sing
as on the night you celebrate a holy festival;
your hearts will rejoice
as when people go up with flutes
to the mountain of the LORD,
to the Rock of Israel.

30 The LORD will cause men to hear his majestic voice
and will make them see his arm coming down
with raging anger and consuming fire,
with cloudburst, thunderstorm and hail.


31 The voice of the LORD will shatter Assyria;
with his scepter he will strike them down.


32 Every stroke the LORD lays on them
with his punishing rod
will be to the music of tambourines and harps,
as he fights them in battle with the blows of his arm.

33 Topheth has long been prepared;
it has been made ready for the king.
Its fire pit has been made deep and wide,
with an abundance of fire and wood;
the breath of the LORD,
like a stream of burning sulfur,
sets it ablaze
.


I'll get back to the political and historical stuff now.... Wink

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