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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: WTC Building 7 - Overview Reply with quote

Reply to this topic with general evidence and discussion about WTC Building 7.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just some pictures of WTC 7.








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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the Dan Rather video commentary just as WTC 7 collapses..

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#stills

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A live CBS broadcast (from the WJHL.COM video archive) with Dan Rather beginning just after WTC-7 falls, with a video replay of the collapse about one minute into the clip, repeated again later in the clip. This is an interesting segment that shows the collapse of WTC-7 in surprisingly good detail despite the small image size. After some preliminary banter from Rather the replay of the collapse begins at about 58 seconds - this is when we first see the intact building. At 63 seconds the left end of the "penthouse" on top of the building starts to fall, and by 64 seconds this small section is down, level with the other side of the roof. There is no visible movement for six seconds, at which point the actual collapse begins. At 70 seconds we see the top of the building begin to drop, and by 77 it appears to be all the way down.

This sort of collapse is precisely what would be expected from a classical controlled demolition, with the charges going off at ground level to allow the building to settle into its own footprint. Of all the collapses WTC-7 was the most precise, with almost all the wreckage confined to the footprint of the building. It appears that some internal charges were set off to "adjust" the internal structure of the building for an orderly collapse, causing the left end of the penthouse to drop. The building had an unusual design because it had to be built over an existing three story tall electrical substation, leading to a large transfer truss through the middle of the building above the electrical gear. Such a non-homogeneous structure would not fall perfectly straight without some preparation.



http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/terroism6.avi (video)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Memory hole... Reply with quote

Not direct evidence, per se, but evidence that the Memory Hole is up and running just fine - compare:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2497389.stm

with

http://web.archive.org/web/20021204100844/http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2497389.stm

Notice any difference? I'll make it quick and simple for anyone lazy. Wink
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The 52-storey office tower will replace a slightly shorter building on the 7 World Trade Center site.


and

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The 52-storey office tower will replace a slightly shorter building on the 7 World Trade Center site which burned to the ground after the twin towers collapsed.


Edit was made more than 2 years (sometime after Jul 2004) after publication of original article (Nov 2002).

I don't think that news services should be allowed to alter their archives - republish stories, yes. Make amendments that're announced, yes. But just airbrushing yesterday's news - No Way... Just my 2c.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 World Trade Center Demolition Quotes


    -Reporter Al Jones: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion -- looked like it had been done by a demolition crew -- the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion."

    Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 28:25)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...=911+eyewitness


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    -Emergency worker: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cuz it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder turned around -- we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock."

    Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 31:30)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...=911+eyewitness


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    -Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
    Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
    Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)


    Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

    Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
    ...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

    Bonnie: Did they actually use the word brought down and who was it that was telling you this?

    Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."


    Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78


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    -Columbia Journalism Review – May/June 2003, by Thomas Franklin

    Excerpt from an article written by award winning photographer, Thomas Franklin, who snapped the world famous photo of firemen raising the American flag at ground zero. In the article Franklin explains that all of ground zero was evacuated less than an hour before WTC 7 was demolished at approximately 5:20 pm on 9/11:

    "Much of what happened to me on September 11 is a blur, but this moment I clearly remember: It was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to fall. I had only a few frames left, and an entire day's worth of pictures to develop, so I prepared to head back to New Jersey."

    Link to entire article: http://archives.cjr.org/year/02/2/franklin.asp


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    - CBS News Anchor, Dan Rather, makes comments after Building 7 falls down:

    “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

    Video: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/w..._demolition.mpg


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    -WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein's comments about Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", which aired in September of 2002:

    “I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

    Video: http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV
    Also @ Youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahEva8zQas

    -In the same documentary, America Rebuilds, a clean up worker at ground zero uses the term "pull" when preparing for the controlled demolition of Building 6: (Use of the word “pull” as slang for “demolish”)

    Unidentified Construction Worker: "Hello? Oh, we're getting ready to pull building six."

    Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.”

    Video: http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/pull_wtc6.wmv
    Also @ Youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ


    -Silverstein Answers WTC Building 7 Charges: Says "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building:

    http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=4718


Related:

Various video clips of Building 7 falling down posted on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4SejBwgbCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLnBSyc4ICo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJtlgZXb0Mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmL9F-TSIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewf3zYS-QkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLqx_gjBAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtqcEVrqFNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BcquyD_DcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffxZ40Gqj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPfKghBIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some research resources:

From mainstream sources:

NIST Response to the World Trade Center Disaster
Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation
of the World Trade Center Disaster
Part IIC – WTC 7 Collapse
This is a PDF document

From Alternative sources:

Steven E. Jones

From Google video's
Why did WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 collapse?: Were there explosives planted?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
CHIEF FRANK CRUTHERS
Interview Date: October 31, 2001: here >>

They touch upon building 7 at the end of the interview... was there really no concern that other buildings (more damaged ones?) would collapse instead of buiding 7?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New pictures of WTC7 rubble pile:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10104


Here's a sample of what you'll see at the link above:





^This column appears to have been cut... by what, though, is the question?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good photos Stallion4...

I know that reinforced concrete looks like this when it is demolished:


Does anyone know of video that would show how such steel columns are "cut" that would account for something like this?:



How convenient that NIST's public gallery of steel photos does not show any signs of what can clearly be seen in Stallion's photos above:
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/gallery.htm#recover

This is the corner damage of 7 WTC. Hardly something that would make it collapse:



Roof (parapet wall):


Similar damage to 6 WTC:



I also remember listening to a caller on a radio show who said that the building was leaning to one side, so if it were to collapse it would not have collapsed straight down, would it? (hearsay).

Also, if these columns in 5 WTC did not collapse, after having large portions of the towers falling on top of it, then why did 7 WTC collapse.




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Smoke and pictures... Reply with quote

Sorry to belabour the astoundingly obvious, but even with an untrained eye one can work out that the damage to WTC7, like it's shown in those pix even if it were more extensive, but of the same nature - there's *no way* on this planet that it would have collapsed in the manner that it did. It would have teetered and groaned, with bits falling off, and with a lot more horizontal movement than it actually did.

I, too, would dearly love to see a complete set of photos that clearly show the extent of the damage to 7 - I can't even begin to imagine what the pictures would look like if they somehow supported the OFC, if you see what I mean...

I really am coming to the conclusion that the gigantic, unprecedented dust-clouds were either a happy side-effect of the demo techniques used, or had been deliberately engineered to happen that way, to provide a smoke-screen (both literal and figuratively) for the events that day.

Can anyone point to any comparisons of the smoke-plume from 7, as compared with 1 & 2? I'm wondering if 7's was as (proportionately) large and fine-grained as the others'. This may give some clue as to whether similar techniques were used in both events, or not...

Given that 7 was a block or more away from GZ, and so forth, does the damage that we *do* know about tie in with what's shown in the pix that have been released?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: WTC7 Reply with quote

This site has some hard arguments with the "flawed" alternative assessment of WTC7 building damage. I just post it as I find it ...

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC72.htm



Looks like this damage is a bit more extensive than a few scattered fires ... supported in the posts above ...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some DNS problems with the URL for the pictures here... Don't know why... I'll provide the full link instead...

It does mirror my picture above (corner damage), and it was probably slightly more damaged than people realize. The building also had fires on more floors than three (about 6 or 7 floors if memory serves me correct). He may debunk part of the disinfo with this, which is good, but I cannot see how his explanation can account for how the building collapsed (video footage). It just doesn't add up. Given the damage show in these photos, a partial, non-global collapse would occure (if any), not a vertical global. I also heard a caller on a radio show claim the building was tilting slightly to one side, presumably to the side where the damage was.

Other buildings surrounding WTC 1&2 also had severe damage to them without collapsing.

We'll see what NIST have to say in December, beyond this:
http://www.wtc7.net/nistreport.html

Pictures of 7 WTC in the afternoon: From this...

http://www.wtc7.net/docs/f24_100.jpg

And this: Two hours before the collapse....

http://www.stevespak.com/fires/manhattan/7wtc.jpg

To this:

http://www.wtc7.net/docs/wtc7_pile_s.jpg


http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/docs/b7_3.jpg

For reference: Madrid.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Madrid6.jpg
http://judicial-inc.biz/Madrid7.jpg
(this site in general has a huge disclaimer as to content - ya'll know why)

The Madrid building did not have structural impact damage like 7 WTC (minor); regardless a building does not fall like that. makes no sense...

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