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Jerry Fletcher



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumple wrote:
My photo essay hits local print media


Dude. Nice!

I'm honored to be corresponding with one of the 'rising stars' in the 'movement'. Wink

Killtown... bah. It's your analysis. I should be reading reports like:

"Researcher Rumple4skin pulls back the fleshy folds of secrecy to reveal the glistening tip of 911 Truth!"

I've got a tee shirt design too, if you're interested. Wink

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Btw, this issue is supposedly going to be covered tonight on WingTV's broadcast.

I'm unsure as to how to feel about this.


About as surreal as the subject matter, I'd suppose. Apparently some folks do actually read what we write here.

Now, when's your Prison Planet interview again?Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in a slightly, semi-related story.... Reuters journalist admits to doctoring smoke plumes in photos:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525816599&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Reuters admits doctoring Beirut photo
By SHEERA CLAIRE FRENKEL
Aug. 6, 2006 18:57 | Updated Aug. 7, 2006 13:57


In the most recent in a series of online controversies to take on the mainstream media, a series of Web sites discredited a Reuters photograph of the fighting in Lebanon, forcing the news agency to issue an apology and remove the image from their archives.

The photograph by Adnan Hajj, which shows plumes of smoke rising from downtown Beirut after an IAF bombing, appeared to have been doctored to show more intense smoke and destruction over the city.

The Reuters news agency issued a statement acknowledging that "photo editing software was improperly used on this image. A corrected version will immediately follow this advisory. We are sorry for any inconvenience."
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Where do they get the idea that they will get away with this kind of blatant subterfuge? Cool

Yes, Jer... I'm a real celeb now. Jessica Alba has been ringing my phone off da hook.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update....... just FYI, the Flight 93 photo analysis I did with Killtown is basically being ignored almost across the 9/11 Truth Movement. According to Killtown, Rense, WhatReallyHappened and "all 20 of Alex Jones' sites" haven't deemed it worthy of any coverage. At all.

Hmmm.......

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the story posted on PrisonPlanet..? I'm pretty sure I did.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, here's the headline:

Conspiracy theorists blog that Flight 93 photo is fake
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806fake.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stallion4 wrote:
Yeah, here's the headline:

Conspiracy theorists blog that Flight 93 photo is fake
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806fake.htm

Yes, but that's simply a reprint of the newspaper article that appeared in the Pittsburg Post-Gazzette.

Admittedly, it's better than nothing, and I guess you could say it's a start. But I want to see if this gets any legs. Although I supposes it could be said that right now there is "so much going on" that perhaps this is regarded as a minor story. SO maybe that's why Alex himself hasn't commented on it.

But since I was in on the ground level of this one, I know exactly "who's behind it", and I know (from where I sit) that it's a legit inquiry. It's not a red herring, it's not a diversion, it's not disinfo. It's a simply contradiction of an item that was used as a rallying cry and significant piece of the "heroes of flight 93" propaganda story. So to me, personally, this issue could be a litmus test for seeing who is truly on the side of discovery and non-sanctioned revelation.

Thanks for the link, Stallion.

Btw, here's the latest 93 graphic I created for Killtown's website - a comparison of the original photograph, and what I determine a real jet fuel smoke plume would look like, originating from the "hole" 1.56 miles away:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Here's an angle... Reply with quote

Here's an angle on '93 from a guy on letsroll911 forum who says he works at a USAF base, the thread's about contrails, but he had this to say about '93.
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Shanksville PA? Looks like a small tractor dug a ditch, poured some gas on it and burnt it off a few days prior to me. Maybe a crate of debris was placed in the center of the ditch and blown via remote to simulate a crash. Convienent it was all on goverment land.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allow me to post up the newer graphics stuff I did for Killtown:

This one is in response to some on his blog who insist the plume doesn't line up with the "hole" because my placement of McClatchey is off (it's not, btw). So, I did an analysis of "how far off" her location would have to be in order for the plume to line up. (Apparently the driveway/road junction and other objects referenced for alignment weren't enough for these 'skeptics', so I obliged them with more graphics work.)



In order to align the cloud with the govt's hole, she'd have to have been over 50 yards to her left (Eastward, into the wooded clearing, and behind a row of trees, with a small structure between her and the horizon.) In any case, my placement of her is most likely precise to within a foot or 18"maybe 2, at most.
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The next batch of comments concerns the issue that - if the smoke cloud was a believable size (which it is not), could it have drifted into position where Val snapped the picture? I.e., could it have originated at the hole, and the prevailing 9 knot wind that morning (Nat. Weather Svc.) blew it into alignment with her camera angle?

For background, consider Val's story, in which she details that she took this shot (the only shot she took, btw) within "5 seconds" of hearing the blast, and rushing out her door, camera in hand.



A 756' drift at 15.19 feet/second (9 knots) would have taken closer to 50 seconds to complete. So, this is another problem with either the hole, the cloud, or Val's schtick.

I know this may seem like overkill to some of you here, but we're dealing with some people who are determined to prove my analysis incorrect. However, not quite as determined as I am to prove that it's factual.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Errr.... Reply with quote

I'm with you on this one, Rump. Wink

The thing that caught my eye about the guy's post was his comment about the appearance of the 'ditch' and the debris and the fact that he said that it was Government land, which I hadn't previously read. (or mebbe I had, but couldn't remember)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Errr.... Reply with quote

Continuity wrote:
I'm with you on this one, Rump. Wink

The thing that caught my eye about the guy's post was his comment about the appearance of the 'ditch' and the debris and the fact that he said that it was Government land, which I hadn't previously read. (or mebbe I had, but couldn't remember)

I had read that way back in the day, maybe 2003 or so, but then never saw it repeated anywhere credible and never found any corroboration.

I'll have to check his post. Does he list a source for that info?

I also want to find out who lives on the farm just over the tree-line from Val's house. That seems to me to be where this cloud is originating from, plus there looks to be - via the satellite shot - what appears to be an old burn mark, precisely where this blast could have ocurred and precisely the diameter of the smoke plume's upward column.



Proves little - could be an old victory garden from WW2. But it's odd that it precisely conforms to the alignment and shaft diameter of that photo's mushroom cloud.

I'm traveling back there in a few weeks, and I'm going to poke around.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

He says it here:

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12410

about 1/3 down the page. Just search the page <Cntrl+F> for 'ditch'.

The thread's titled 'Debunking Chemtrails' over at the letsroll911 forum - worth a read IMHO, because I think that the way that this WxMan's thread progresses tells us a bit of a story about how they are going about trying to destroy the '9/11 Truth Movement'. Chekkit out....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thread's titled 'Debunking Chemtrails' over at the letsroll911 forum - worth a read IMHO, because I think that the way that this WxMan's thread progresses tells us a bit of a story about how they are going about trying to destroy the '9/11 Truth Movement'. Chekkit out....


Thx C -

Classic disinfo dogpile.
At least WxMan gained some valuable insight into 'pod people', and we got another fine example of how the dance is choreographed.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked my ex-Navy pilot brother to weigh in on the Chemtrails thing a few months ago.

He reiterated my own feelings that "whomever who poison our air would poison their own." In his opinion, if there indeed was any chemical release from aircraft, the only scenario he could imagine and go for, would be the dumping of hazardous waste in remote areas.

Now that..... could be a lucrative business, considering the cost of toxic chemical disposal brought on by the environmental movement. (And something the environmetal movement itself <adjusting foil hat> could be involved with, sung to the tune of "Kaaaaaa-ching!")

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: How windy was it? Reply with quote

I don't think this was mentioned in any of the posts to date. Are there records of local weather conditions? If 9/11/01 was a windy or even breezy day at the crash site, then the smoke from the explosion must be a PhotoShop artifact.

Look at that one row of three pictures comparing (1) the photo in question, (2) the smoke ball from a military ordnance explosion, and (3) a jet fuel fire.

In (2), the ordnance explosion, look how the smoke-ball is drifting away, even though the breeze is so light it isn't even re-shaping the smoke very much.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Chris Bollyn interviewed on united93 Reply with quote

By the way, Bollyn was recently harassed for no reason by the ADL connected Chicago Police. Here he is talking about his investigation on the hoax of flight 93: http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsBollyn.html
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