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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Audio Interview: Mickey Z 'Myth America, A Standup Tragedy' Reply with quote

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The Next Level Show - 25th September, 2008

Mickey Z
Myth America A Standup Tragedy


Mickey Z is a writer, blogger, political commentator and
novelist living in New York City. He is a regular contributor to ZNet, GNN,
CounterPunch, Dissident Voice and other websites. Fintan Dunne raps
with Mickey about Obama, the tragic state of the Union, the Planet,
the Economy, his new Novel and Resistance to the political order.


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REFERENCES

Website:
http://www.mickeyz.net/

GNN Writings:
http://mickeyz.gnn.tv/users/blogs.php

Mickey Z Bio
A self-educated kickboxing instructor who lectures on foreign policy at
MIT in his spare time, Mickey Z has been called a “professional iconoclast”
by Newsday. TimeOut New York says he’s a “political provocateur.”
To Howard Zinn, he’s “iconoclastic and bold.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Z

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Born and raised in Astoria, Queens where he currently lives with his wife Michele, Mickey Z. is probably the only person on the planet to have appeared in both a karate flick with Billy Blanks and an anti-war book with Noam Chomsky. Mickey Z. is the author of five nonfiction books, several of which have been translated into Italian: 50 American Revolutions You're Not Supposed to Know, The Seven Deadly Spins, A Gigantic Mistake, The Murdering of My Years, and Saving Private Power. His nonfiction, short fiction, and poetry have appeared regularly in a wide range of online and print publications and anthologies, including: New York Daily News, Veg News, Poets and Writers, Village Voice, Chess Life, Guerilla News Network, Black Belt, What Would Bill Hicks Say?, Tutto in Vendita, Underground, and many others. Mickey has also served as Senior Editor of Wide Angle (2 002-04 ) and Editor-in-Chief of Curio ( 1996-98 ). Screenplays he has optioned include A Saint in the City, Second Option, and The Pride. He is the recipient of two writing grants from the Puffin Foundation ( 2003 and 2005 ) and a Fellowship in Non-fiction Literature from the New York Foundation for the Arts (1997).

Armed with only a high school diploma, Mickey Z. has spoken and lectured in venues ranging from Yale University and MIT to ABC No Rio and the Broadway Branch of the Queens Library. Newsday calls Mickey Z. a "professional iconoclast." Time Out New York says he's a "political provocateur." To historian Howard Zinn, he's "iconoclastic and bold." He was also known as the "underground poet" for hanging his words in the NYC subways.
http://www.rawdogscreaming.com/authors.htm#mickey



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No Innocent Bystanders
Riding Shotgun in the Land of Denial

By Mickey Z.
No Innocent Bystanders is a manifesto in fractals. Transcending labels
and political parties, it gets to the heart of our planet's rapid decline
http://www.createspace.com/3354868


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CPR for Dummies

A novel about the end of the world that reads like a Stanley Kubrick movie of a Kurt Vonnegut novel cut into little pieces and spliced back together." - a textbook within a play within a parody within an urban memoir.
- Levi Asher, Literary Kicks

""Mickey Z. has thought a lot about politics and a lot about sex. He's thought about politics while having sex, and about sex while having politics. As a result, Mr. Z. has written an orgasmic Left revolt-book! I am surprised that I liked the novel, actually. I didn't know that I enjoyed anything written after 1931.""
— Sparrow, poet and presidential candidate

""Mickey Z.'s CPR for Dummies is a ribald collage of styles, points of view, and blasphemies. Written loosely in the style of a play, the novel includes the author as a character, a sex-crazed priest and a confession-booth orgy to rival the best of Rabelais. Both satiric and insightful, the book manages to invoke both Armageddon and optimism. With politics sure to rile even the most self-righteous liberal, Mickey pulls off a tour de force — a textbook within a play within a parody within an urban memoir. It is a book that is as tongue in cheek as Vonnegut and Bukowski — funny, sexy, surprising and entirely iconoclastic.""
— Christine Hamm, author of The Transparent Dinner, poetry

http://www.rawdogscreaming.com/cpr.html


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Myth America: A Stand-up Tragedy

by Mickey Z. / September 19th, 2008

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/myth-america-a-stand-up-tragedy/

Normal means land mines, factory farming, and the death penalty
It means racial profiling and the shooting of abortion doctors
Normal means gay bashing and it means “illegal” is a noun
It means pesticide, homicide, suicide, genocide
Normal means the WTO, the FBI, CIA, NSA, and KKK
GMO, HMO, Guantanamo.
It means banned books, the war on drugs, and the PATRIOT Act
Normal means: “have it your way” and “just do it”
Global warming, water boarding, People magazine
It means no cod in Cape Cod and soon: no ice at the North Pole
Normal means strip malls; normal means strip mining
It means pre-emptive strikes and humanitarian bombing
It means shock and awe

Normal means if you kill someone while wearing a uniform, you get a
parade. Do it in gang colors and you get the electric chair. Normal means
we live in a society programmed and conditioned to lust for revenge
instead of unite for peace and justice

Many Americans automatically defend their country’s rampant illegalities
because they perceive these actions as falling under the seductive
justification of “defending our way of life.”

The U.S. constitutes roughly 5% of the earth’s population but consumes
more than 25% of the earth’s resources. Maybe “our way of life” makes
us the real terrorists.

Besides, if our way of life is so sacred, so ideal, so worthy of being
defended by any means necessary, why do we need so many homeless
shelters, alcohol and drug rehab centers, rape crisis hotlines, battered
women’s shelters, and suicide hotlines?

Why does a sexual assault occur every two and a half minutes?

If America is the world’s shining light, why are its citizens left with no
choice but to organize in a desperate attempt to protect human,
environmental, civil, and animal rights?

Why can’t we drink the water or breathe the air without the risk of
becoming ill from corporate-produced toxins?

If America is the zenith of human social order, why does our vaunted
way of life provoke terror as a tactic and an emotion?


So, how about cultivating some new American Dreams?
Dreams not for sale
Dreams not based on celebrity
Dreams not based on material consumption
Dreams not based on physical beauty
Dreams not based on military conquest
Dreams that promote unity and collective action while maintaining individuality and independence
Dreams that challenge us to think for ourselves and about others
Dreams that help us pick out the hayseeds amidst the horseshit

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/myth-america-a-stand-up-tragedy/


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Myth America - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8kHLyWJ1qM

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJB-yj--3ZA&feature=related
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IabHSWmMew&feature=related
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmApzBcuMA&feature=related
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNbQ8SmrIU&feature=related

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A new normal for yourself"
This is truth!
I enjoyed his idea of individuality.
I appreciate his point of view on form and how you should avoid your stereotypical creation.
Be an individual in a world of conformity.
A great interview which left me feeling solemn.

It's just about speaking out loud in small communications to others without worrying about how people think of you.
I would bet that most would come your way but didn't before because they were either scared or insecure (kept within the confine-in doubt).

I would love to sit in a room and converse with Mickey.
Since we are both in NYC I will go to his site.

This was a very calming audio FINTAN.
I well appreciated it and sent it out to my email list.
Best Regards BUD

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great discussion. Sobering and inspiring. Really enjoyed that on my walk home in the rain yesterday, thanks! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not holding a candle for Nader but this is
a great comparison of TweedleMcCain and
his 'opponent' TweedleObama.

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Obama, McCain, and Nader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WiE6MnmCM&feature=user


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"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and
policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish
idea
acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers.

"Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American
people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any
profound or extensive shifts in policy."

Carroll Quigley in "Tragedy and Hope"

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good review for
Mickey Z's new novel:


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SOS

by Adam Engel / October 4th, 2008

We have recordings, but no music;
we have movies, but no film;
we have books, but no literature.

Remember when we were in our teens and early 20s, the incredible
gamut of living authors to choose from?
Pynchon, Gaddis, Vonnegut,
James Baldwin, Delillo, Salinger, Brautigan, Cathy Acker, Roth, Bellow,
Malamud, Ralph Ellison, Toni Morrison, Ishmael Reed, Grace Paley,
Kenneth Koch, John Ashbery, Frank O’Hara, Audre Lorde, Charles Olsen,
Jack Spicer, Allan Ginsberg, A.R. Ammons, Burroughs, Coover, Lyn
Hejinian, Ron Silliman and on and on and on? Ever been to a bookstore
lately? Check out the “new” poetry and fiction? Like the soulless music,
the childish movies and TV shows, etc. there’s nothing but “dead
grandma” stories, straight “narratives, up-lifting “personal dramas” for
the Oprah crowd…

I’m bored. I need something to READ.

I guess I wouldn’t be chewing such sour grapes if there were enough real
publishers to give readers and writers an actual choice beyond the
.current “marketable” 19th century-style novels with 20th century
signifiers offered up by B&N (remember when there were OTHER
bookstores?) Jane Austen and the Brontes wrote great books. Why do so
many of “today’s writers” try to re-write them, as if two centuries of
industrialization, modernism, technology, insane wars etc. hadn’t passed?

On the other hand, there’s Mickey Z.’s CPR for Dummies. Not so much an
“experimental” novel, but a novel that wisely follows the legacy a century
of modernists and post-modernists left to him. Wry, dry humor; “real”
events interposes with fictional lives; a Henry Fielding-type “performance”
by the author/narrator. It’s everything a novel tackling the mystifying
“real world” of today SHOULD be.
It is thoroughly original not so much in
formal invention –considering his predecessors, which he learned from as
every good writer does — but in personal style. It is a novel that could
only have been written by one person: Mickey Z. Which is how all
creative works should be: unique, alive. But most aren’t.

CPR for Dummies is the first fiction I actually enjoyed reading since the
near simultaneous deaths of William Gaddis, Kathy Acker,,and William
Burroughs in the late 1990s — early 2000s. It’s kind of like Kurt Vonnegut
and Joan Didion got together to produce a very strange, very funny, but
ultimately very frightening “child.”

CPR is a montage of real and fictional events. The unbelievable, insane,
grim, horrific realities, and Mickey Z’ wonderfully life-affirming fictions.

At the center of it all is Janie, aspiring actress and Gal Friday for a
pornographic magazine.

Janie is one of the sexiest fictional characters since Betty and/or Veronica
(whomever you prefer; both would be nice). Hence, she is held hostage
by a lecherous priest [name] who convinces his sexually repressed
septuagenarian flock (plus Ruth, a young women confused about a lot of
things, mostly sexual in nature) that Janie is the Second Coming, her
initials are “JC,” while he plots to get into her pants. But while she is
mistaken for a male deity, “JC,” she displays all the qualities of the
matriarchal, pre-civilization goddess (though not the somewhat sinister,
civilized Aphrodite): sex, art and creative anarchy trump repression,
control, and ultimately destructive violence. The primordial power of
unreppressed (though not promiscuous; she is loyal to her boyfriend,
Lenny D) sexuality, leads to a kind of “contact” with life that is closer to a
true “spiritual experience” (i.e. Janie gets the old folks and Rachel to go-
go dance their hyper-civilized cares away) than the strictures and
ultimate hypocrisies of “organized religion” as manifest in Father
[Muscles] castigating them on one hand, while jerking off with the other.

Janie is a true “healer” — as Ruth would testify — as well as the kind of
messiah I would want coming (and coming again; a second coming?) to
save my sorry ass by reveling in LIFE rather than the phony world of “the
spirit” — a contrast that resulted, ultimately, in the mess we’re in:
allegedly “spiritual” people worshiping death, denying LIFE — and hence,
sex and women — in favor of some mean-assed god who has nothing
better to do than brow-beat a bunch of nomads in the desert (or old folks
in a church basement). This is, for me the center of the book. The
character of Janie versus the macho construction workers, the priest, the
niggling old women and their perverse husbands (all of whom have dirty
secrets, as opposed to Janie and the innocent Ruth, who is, “as a child” in
her naiveté; hence, the perfect candidate for “apostle.”).

In other words, Life, Sex, Creative Anarchy versus Technology,
Repression, Atomic warfare.

Now THAT’S worth reading about.


Also, one of the many sub-plots in CPR for Dummies is that a meteor is
heading straight toward earth and we are all going to die, quite soon.
Enjoy.

II: Talking to Mickey Z.

Holden Caulfield wished he could call up authors of books he’d enjoyed and “shoot the breeze” with them. I tried to imagine “today’s” fictions are expressions of personal ideas and imagination by real people rather than novelizations of sit-coms written by teams of corporate hacks. In other words, I “called up” Mickey Z. (as if such a person actually exists) via email and asked him some questions about CPR for Dummies…

Adam Engel: One of the most interesting techniques you use is the “narrator as performer,” which was used by guys like Henry Fielding in Tom Jones, and Kurt Vonnegut in Slaughterhouse Five and several other novels, but seems to have disappeared. By “performer” I mean that the narrator “talks” to the reader while he’s ostensibly creating the story, commenting on his own scenes, characters, sentences, constantly “keeping the ball in the air.” As if it’s all happening “live” as part of a performance. You acknowledge doing this in the CPR as a way of making the nightmarish realities cited in the book more palatable. Was this a political decision, an aesthetic decision, or both? Why do you think this technique is no longer “in style,” replaced instead by the somber, sober, more “formal” 19th century voice?

Mickey Z.: I’m not sure why this technique is not all the rage these days. Everything else seems so self-referential: movies, TV, pop music, etc. As for my use of the “narrator as performer,” it came about for two main reasons. Firstly, it felt necessary at times. I was genuinely concerned that I might have gone overboard with the rapid changes in direction, so to speak, so the narration served as a Greek chorus of sorts. The other reason was simply that it I enjoyed it doing it so much. I always loved the wisecracking asides of early film comedians. For example, in Horse Feathers, Groucho Marx is asked by a jealous husband: “What are you doing here?” Groucho replies: “I’m the plumber. I’m just hanging around in case something goes wrong with her pipes.” Then he turns to the audience and adds: “That’s the first time I’ve used that joke in twenty years.” CPR for Dummies gave me my chance to join in the fun and, as you say, to give it the feel of a live performance while offsetting the more intense vignettes.

AE: Speaking of intense vignettes: the novel seems to be a kind of tennis match between Life (Janie and the Church-a-go-go, Ruth, sexuality, Lenny D. etc.) and Death (the horrifying facts about nukes, war, etc). Death is related in factual accounts, yet Life exists only in fictional vignettes. Why is this?

MZ: Good question. I’m not sure I consciously planned it out like that but it sure does mirror my life at times. I’m typically a well-liked, friendly person with a calm demeanor but I’m also the one voted most likely to shatter an illusion. Someone’s talking about cell phones? That’s my cue to bring up coltan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Eastern Lowland Gorillas. Eating meat? Well, get ready for some slaughterhouse facts. Believe the Obama hype? Don’t worry, Mickey Z. is here to tell you about his support for the death penalty and how he voted against single-payer. Factual accounts to offset the fictional vignettes in our life.

AE: Okay, then what about the “oddly” named “Lenny D.” On one hand, he’s like a zen martial arts master or samurai (except when he’s having sex with Janie), quiet, moving little, dispassionate, what “we Americans” would call lazy. On the other hand, when a friend or loved one is attacked or even merely offended (Janie, his grandmother) he becomes a lethal weapon. This is the opposite of the truly violent characters in the book, such as cops beating protesters, sexist construction workers, nasty priests, and of course, those who drop bombs, i.e. all who refuse to “live and let live.” What does the character of Lenny D. say about the nature of rightul violence or self defense against mis-used power?

MZ: Your question hits on two important angles here—one overt, the other somewhat below the radar. Firstly, I very consciously made sure no single character served as my surrogate. I infused many of the characters with traits I identify with (or wish I had) but none of them is what, say, Chinaski was to Bukowski. As for Lenny D., he has a sentimental perception of right and wrong but, you could say he lives by the immortal words of Patrick Swayze (as James Dalton in Roadhouse): “Be nice until it’s time to not be nice.”

AE: In general, at least since the mid-nineteen eighties/early nineties (I’m guessing), American “artists” who receive wide — or any — distribution to the public, “create” bland, corporate-approved movies, books and music. Do you agree? If so, why do you think this is?

MZ: A: I’d agree this is true, as you say, in general. I’m old enough to remember pop culture in the pre-cable TV and pre-VHS and pre-Internet days. Sure we had TV and radio but the faster-than-the-speed-of-light technology did not yet exist to completely homogenize the culture so artists weren’t creating for a monolithic target audience. This development had to play a role not only in the dumbing down of art but in the dumbing down of artists. Just the other day, I was having conversation about how Bob Dylan was well-versed in and influenced by classical poetry but many who were subsequently inspired by Dylan knew little of his influences. The next generation – influenced by those who were influenced by Dylan — were one more step removed. And so on. Still, having said all that, some film, literature, and music is still being made today. Not enough…but some. Consider this: When reporting on the infamous New York School of abstract expressionist painters in 1947, art critic Clement Greenberg pondered, “What can fifty do against one hundred and forty million?” It wasn’t so much an entire population stacked against a band of radical painters that Greenberg was contemplating. Rather, it was 140 million Americans essentially ignoring a movement that would eventually change the face of art. The U.S. population has more than doubled in the fifty-plus years since Jackson Pollock dripped his way onto the cover of Life magazine and there are still plenty of movements being ignored by the majority. In fact, lurking below the one-size-fits-all surface of today’s consumer culture, there’s a broad range of indefatigable rabble-rousers doing their thing. As Ani DiFranco sings: “Beneath the good and the kind and the stupid and the cruel, there’s a fire just waiting for fuel.”

AE: The minority of Americans dubbed “the reading public” prefer, or the Pavlovian Publishers who ring the dinner bell prefer, “realism” in poetry, drama, fiction. But “realism” itself is a device of — primarily — 19th century artifice. Kafka, Joyce, Stein, Breton, Woolf, Beckett, Stevens, Burroughs, Pynchon etc., in fact, the majority of late 19th to late 20th century writers attempted to capture a more psychological/unconscious reality based on individual perception. In CPR, the “realism” of the historical facts recounted are questioned, if not outright lampooned by the wild, satiric, romps that occur in the “fictional” sections. What gives? Both with this “new” fad of Tolstoy/Flaubert “realism” — appropriate for their day, not ours — and with your satirizing of such alleged “realism” in CPR?

MZ: When I hear the word “realism,” I can’t help but think of “reality TV.”What a progression, huh? Anyway, my idea of reality/realism is more in line with this: A little more than two years ago, a cousin of mine killed himself and I thought, My cousin no longer lives on this planet…but yet the subways are still jammed, bars and restaurants remain full, blogs get updated, Jane still does the laundry every Wednesday, and Joe never misses Sportscenter. Yes, of course life (so-called) goes on with or without us…but at some point that week, I was probably walking around my neighborhood feeling sorry for myself in the heat or maybe contemplating the big trade the Yankees just made. Meanwhile, at that precise moment, my cousin was out in the woods of Pennsylvania with a rope around his neck. Makes me wonder what’s happening somewhere (perhaps to someone I know and love) just as I am typing this. It’s enough to make you insane. Moral of this story (and every story?): There are no happy endings. In CPR, this concept is manifested as you describe above.

AE: If I could spend a night with any three people, real or imaginary (uh…if I weren’t married to my beautiful, wonderful wife, of course…) it would be Mary Shelley, circa 1816; Grace Slick, circa 1967; or Janie, circa — immediately. Comment?

MZ: That is the strangest compliment I’ve ever received. I’m flattered you think so highly of Janie and your appraisal helped teach me more about her than I ever knew. As I said earlier, I very consciously made sure no single character served as my surrogate and Janie is the ultimate example of that. She’s brimming with characteristics I admire and only a select few traits I possess, but mostly, she’s my fictionalized heroine (maybe she’s my Cassandra). There were instances where the mere act of typing her dialogue had me smiling ear to ear. Janie is full of contradictions, like any human, but she’s also someone finding her way better than most in this insane culture of ours. She nurtures, she heals, she listens, and she speaks her mind freely and clearly. Without the pomposity and pretension of most educated (sic) activists and radicals, Janie is – in her own way - fighting the battles we should all be fighting if we weren’t so paralyzed by fear, self-interest, and a modicum of comfort. Plus, Janie is a female and I very much enjoy the company of women and deeply value feminine energy.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/sos/

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Studiously avoiding 9/11 and false-flag terror Reply with quote

I see that Mickey Z publishes frequently at Alex Cockburn's rag "Counterpunch".

Here he has published an interview with Sander Hicks:
December 9, 2004
"Reality is a Construction..."
Sander Hicks and the 9/11 Truth Movement
By MICKEY Z.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mickey12092004.html

I sat through Fintan's entire interview with Mickey Z, waiting for the question of 9/11 (and left-gatekeeping in general with respect to false-flag psy-ops), but Fintan ever-so-delicately pussy-footed away from that subject.

Of course, Mickey does live in New York.
In fact, he's a native New Yorker.

But lets not spoil the interview with unpleasant talk about 9/11 MIHOP and pys-ops.
No talking about the "global warming" gambit either.
Might step on their greenie toes and offend them.
That might mean spoiling the soft, pleasant conversational vibe by forcing the issue of Chomsky, Cockburn - and the whole stable of foundation-funded left-gatekeepers that Mickey idealizes.

Wouldn't it ?
Let's keep things nice and mushy soft for these sensitive "lefties".

They're just so well-meaning and easier to talk to, than their coarser counterparts on the "right" .
. you know .. those "patriot" types with their vulgar addiction to US sovereignty, sentimental attachments to the US Constitution, opposition to "affirmative action" and obsession with their 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms in self-defense.

It's always so much more pleasant to brown-nose with "pwogwessives" and mushy-soft "lefties", as opposed to confronting them with the most painful truths about the gutless "left".

Somehow, Mickey and friends seem to have gotten a free pass on the harsher judgments of yesteryear, with respect to "CIA fakes".

Mickey can wring his hands over the occupation of Iraq and the pathological fantasy "Global War on Terror", without ever having to offend anyone by connecting to its primal psychological cause and rationale: 9/11 and false-flag terror.

Hey Fintan.
Listen carefully and repeat after me:

"9/11 truth ends the war.
Anything less is a LYING WHORE".

9/11 MIHOP is a litmus test for me.
Its also a top priority.

Guess you've decided to shelve it in the case of Mickey Z.

Or have I missed one of your earlier interviews with him, where you actually got down to hard brass tacks, instead of mouthing pious generalities about "pwogwessive politics" ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I sat through Fintan's entire interview with Mickey Z, waiting for the question of 9/11 (and left-gatekeeping in general with respect to false-flag psy-ops), but Fintan ever-so-delicately pussy-footed away from that subject.

Nope. I just directly and blatantly avoided it completely.

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Because that might mean spoiling the soft, pleasant vibe by forcing the
issue of Chomsky, Cockburn - and the whole stable of foundation-funded
left-gatekeepers that Mickey idealizes. Wouldn't it.

you're probably the kind of person who walks up to total strangers
and opens up by dissing their dress style, or their politics.

Like "Hello, I'm pleased to meet you. Fuck you, asshole!"

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as opposed to confronting them with the most
painful truths about the gutless "left".

Confrontational interaction as an opening gambit, as I say.
Exactly like you just did with this post here.

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Mickey can wring his hands over the occupation of Iraq and the pathological fantasy "Global War on Terror", ......

He's opposed to the occupation, eh?
And the War on Terror, eh?

Gosh there are millions of Americans who do support both!
Wholeheartedly!

Tell ya what, Let's not open up lines of communication or attempt
to make common cause with him. Instead let's tell him what a
fucking moron he is. That'll work!

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Hey Fintan.
Listen carefully and repeat after me:
"9/11 truth ends the war.
Anything less is a LYING WHORE".

Hey SaiGirl.
Repeat after me.
"I have the social skills of a psychopath, and I
work my agression issues out on other people."

So, tell me.

Have '9/11 Truff' morons like you alienated people across the whole
spectrum over the last six or seven years?

You have! I see.

Have you won friends and influenced people?

No, eh?
I'm so surprised.
NOT.

Have you got ANYWHERE in building a broad consensus on the issue?

Nope.

I had about 30 minutes of conversation with Mickey_Z.
I made the call on how to use that time.
I'll do it my way.

I have no hope of changing the way you do it.

You're too busy attacking me.
I don't take it personally though.

Me and the rest of the world.

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bri



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Location: Capacious Creek

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the problem 9/11 ignorance?

or IDIOTS who get the forefront?

Funny, one of my best friends told me today how he had seen the history Ch. docu on Loose Brians, and said

" Wow those guys are idiots! Not to mention assholes! I can't believe I fell for any of that stuff."
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maverick



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan

I wonder how far you would have gotton on your CIA internet fakes if you would have taken SaiGirl's interviewing expertise............... Mad

You probably would have gotten a whole 2 interviews if you would have done it her way......... Very Happy
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