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Robert



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Griffin's on the next level!(!)

You've got to have guts to make this your maiden speech in Strasbourg

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This is what the BNP leader told the Parliament.
“Everyone agrees that climate change is the biggest challenge facing humanity.”
That’s the constant claim of the political elite – and it’s a lie!

Everyone does NOT agree. Thousands of scientists dispute the very existence of man made global warming, citing natural cyclical changes that saw vineyards in Roman northern England and a Swedish army march over the frozen Baltic at the height of the Little Ice Age in 1658 to Copenhagen.
As an army of global warming zealots marches to Copenhagen, the truth is that their Orwellian ‘consensus’ is based, not on scientific agreement but on bullying, censorship and fraudulent statistics.
In the words of leading climatologist Professor Richard Lindzen:
“Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections contemplated a roll back of the industrial age.”
In fact, there will be no ‘bemused amazement’, for the reason for this hysteria is clear: It is designed to provide the excuse for the political project of the globalists to replace national democracy with New World Order global governance.
It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with a globalist common purpose to tax and control us, while making Billions for corporations in the Green-Industrial complex.
The anti-Western intellectual cranks of the Left suffered a collective breakdown when Communism collapsed. Climate change is their new theology, a secular religious hysteria complete with Pope Al Gore, Carbon Credit indulgences and the persecution of heretics.
But the heretics will have a voice in Copenhagen, and the truth will out: Climate change is being used to impose an anti-human Utopia as deadly as anything conceived by Stalin or Mao.



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http://nickgriffin.eu/2009/11/24/climate-change-is-the-theology-of-the-liberal-elite/

Monbiot's a strange chap- perhaps he needs to write more fiction-that email is almost talented.Later in the comments he's apologising.Tres odd.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that in the Fox News clip the NWO guy uses EXACTLY the same approach as the "HIV/AID$" advocate$: intimidation, name calling, anger, emotion, etc - whereas the guy on the side of exposing the scam has solid evidence and a calm approach.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Senator Inhofe: Well, on this thing, it is pretty serious. And since, you know, Barabara Boxer is the Chairman and I’m the Ranking Member on Environment and Public Works, if nothing happens in the next seven days when we go back into session a week from today that would change this situation, I will call for an investigation. ‘Cause this thing is serious, you think about the literally millions of dollars that have been thrown away on some of this stuff that they came out with.

Melanie Morgan: So what will you be calling for an investigation of?

Senator Inhofe: On the IPCC and on the United Nations on the way that they cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClimateGate Fallout:

The Head of the IPCC [!!] in his first blog posting for over a month,
today downplays Global Warming, contrasting it with what he now
calls the: "larger problem of unsustainable development"

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The Copenhagen Conference of the Parties to come up with an agreement
on climate change is clearly not making much headway. This may be the
result of frozen mindsets, strong vested interests and ignorance.

The question is whether the additional time that the world would now have to arrive at an agreement at the next Conference of the Parties in Mexico will give us time and space to look at the larger problem of unsustainable development, of which climate change is at best a symptom.

Human society cannot continue to ignore the vital dependence that exists between human welfare and the health of our natural resources.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're FUCKED!! Laughing

There is a simple way out of this mess if I were the Alarmists......RELEASE THE DATA SETS!!
But since they've been lying for years and there is NO data to support their claims, and the data that they do have will most likely prove falsified ...quite simply they are FUCKED! Cool

They are going to have a hard time marginalizing this to the people, and especially the academic community, who know about the process, and are not sympathetic to people who withhold information. "You HAVE to show your work :headham"
Any scientist knows once you go down the road of withholding data, its all over for your career. These guys will most likely be resigned, and hopefully arrested.

The issue with the word "trick" is a slippery slope. I would avoid that debate, even though in the context they used, it does NOT imply a "physics trick"( and you'd have to be a moron to see that). The word trick is used often in physics and math, when you use a shortcut or have a way to simplify the problem without doing the entire problem out the long way. It should not change the solution just the path you took to get to the solution. It does not imply breaking any rules or data manipulation as the emails prove. You should be able to explain exactly all the assumptions and methods used in the "trick".
The MSM is going to do everything in their power to focus the issue away from the withholding data issue, and frame it as a few scientists that are bad data takers who might have manipulated it. "But the rest of the data is correct". [warning:sarcasm]

Im so ashamed that the so called intellectuals of the world can watch a 'skeptic vs alarmist' debate and don't have a problem when the alarmists argument has absolutely NO substance. The alarmists just insult and intimidate their opponent and obfuscate the facts while touting the holy "Everyone agrees, Global Warming IS happening, and it IS caused by humans." over and over, and people take no exception to this. Confused

This is forcing them to show there hole cards. We are going to see just how far these guys are willing to go, which might just coincide with how fucked they are. Can't wait to watch them squirm. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This story helped explain the 'cap & trade' scam to me. Valero is wisely informing their gas pump customers that 'cap & trade' will add 77 cents/gallon to their gas price:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1130/companies-oil-energy-how-carbon-bill-would-hit-valero.html
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From this morning's Daily Mail...left some readers comments in

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Scientist in climate change 'cover-up' storm told to quit

By David Derbyshire
Last updated at 9:25 AM on 25th November 2009


The scientist at the heart of the climate change scandal was under growing pressure to quit last night.

George Monbiot, a leading environmentalist, said Phil Jones should resign from the Climatic Research Unit over leaked emails that appear to show researchers suppressed scientific data.

More emails came to light yesterday, including one in which an American climatologist admitted it was a travesty that scientists could not explain a lack of global warming in recent years.

Leading environmentalist George Monbiot (left) has said Professor Phil Jones should resign over the e-mail debacle

In another note, UK researchers dismissed the work of scientists challenging global warming as 'crap'.

Another appeared to call for pressure on the BBC after a reporter suggested that evidence for rising temperatures since 2001 was thin.


In one of the most damning messages, Professor Jones appeared to respond to the death of a climate sceptic with the words 'in an odd way this is cheering news!'.

The leak has been a huge embarrassment to the climate unit at the University of East Anglia, which is a global leader in its field.

Although there is no hint of evidence that climate change is not real, the emails appear to show researchers manipulating raw data and discussing how to dodge Freedom of Information requests.

Yesterday, Mr Monbiot, who writes on green issues, said the emails could scarcely be more damaging.

'I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I'm dismayed and deeply shaken,' he said. 'There are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad.

'There appears to be evidence of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released, and even to destroy material that was subject to a Freedom of Information request.

'Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics, or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

'The head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.'

Bob Ward, a climate expert at the London School of Economics and Political Science, demanded an independent inquiry.

'From what I've seen of the emails, there's not been any new questions raised about the way papers have been put together, but there should be an re-examination of the emails,' he said.

The emails - which appeared last week on a Russian website - appear to have been stolen from a university computer server.
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Yesterday, Professor Jones refused to quit and denied that researchers had altered evidence to bolster the case for man-made climate change.

He added: 'We absolutely stand by the science we produce here at the University of East Anglia and it has been peer reviewed and published.

'Some of the emails probably had poorly chosen words and were sent in the heat of the moment, when I was frustrated. I do regret sending some of them. We've not deleted any emails or data here at CRU.

'I would never manipulate the data one bit - I would categorically deny that.' The university is to conduct an independent review of data security and on its response to 60 freedom of information requests over a short period.

● At least half the 36 UK officials and ministers travelling [sic] to the climate change talks in Copenhagen are going by air rather than by rail.

The Liberal Democrats said the arrangements showed up Labour's hypocrisy on green issues.

The Government said officials had meetings that limited their travel options next month.

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Flaky science and dumbed down education so the public just swallow any old lie the 'new world leaders' throw at us. Add in you Brits voted for this not once but three times.

- John, France, 25/11/2009 10:53

Read State of Fear by Michael Chrichton, tells you all about the lies and cover up, another way to tax by the so called green tax.

- Maggie, Portugal, 25/11/2009 10:52

Channel 4 please show again your program 'The great Globel Warning scandle'. This tells the truth about the subject and the fact that funding is not avaiable to anybody that has a different view from the Government.
- Tony, Bury St Edmunds England, 25/11/2009 10:13

They won't show it again becuase it's been discredited. Climate change deniers question all the evidence bar their own.

- Fact fan, London, 25/11/2009 10:51

Just as I have suspected for some time that the earth was cooling they have been caught red handed hiding unfavouable data.Global Warming Scam this is sounding more like I will be dammed if you see me paying carbon tax this is what its all about CARBON TAX & TRADING .

- andrew, Brighton, 25/11/2009 10:50

It's a tax raising CON

- Mark, Romford, UK, 25/11/2009 10:50

Could some please explain why during the sixties and eighties scientists where saying that we where heading for another ice age,then overnight it went from that to gobal warming.the word con comes too mind.

- steve grice, notingham england, 25/11/2009 10:47




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html#ixzz0XrrSWXJL
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A paragraph within the article calls the institution ( A UNIT ) the leader in it's field, GLOBAL LEADER. Laughing Laughing How can that be if the data is rigged? Who's really minding the store in that regard? Can I form a team of local High School and University Science teachers and take them on in a Global Warming challenge and see what these GLOBAL LEADERS are REALLY made of? Laughing

The very best thing about all of this is that it may OPEN a few more eyes, may pry loose a few blinkers from the skulls of those who are the most narrow minded. It's A good thing to have more and more people question these kinds of things and question them as often as possible.

Al Gore has made millions of dollars on this scam and I'd like to see his Hillbilly ass held accountable for pushing this shit all over the world. His GREEN CONCEPT CAR COMPANY bullshit was recently awarded 500 million dollars to pursue Green Cars. I mean come the fuck on already, who in their right mind buys into this STUFF to the tune of the ALWAYS EXTRA expense/cost of GOING GREEN?

It's just nuts!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Time to duck and cover? Reply with quote

This morning on CTV's morning show, "Canada A.M." (YES, he has sunk this low....) Al Gore poo-poo'd the e-mails as being "10 years old" and just the discussions of climate scientists dealing with alternatives and questions. He also said that this "situation" IN NO WAY affects the importance of reducing AGW thru the reduction of CO2 etc. blah, blah blah...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you expect them to say? Laughing They are screwed either way. They either admit they lied or deny it and get caught out anyways. So they might as well close their eyes, deny it, spouting the same garbage and pray every night for a miracle that pulls there evil globalist asses out the fire. They are weighing their options. They cant give up now, or they would really look like scammers. So they are committed to the lie.

Now that i think of it.....it most likely was a whistle-blower, and most likely more then one. And even likely to be an insider, part of the scam, who simply cant live with themselves anymore knowing that. Or possibly someone who had an epiphany, and has a moral conscious. Even the message in the zip files says "We think....".
I heard but have not confirmed that the files were sent to the BBC a few weeks before it got released on the internet, and the BBC just ignored it. Big surprise there!! Confused So they whipped up the hacker story to discredit the whistle-blower. A hacker breaks laws, and his business is illegal, but a whistle-blower is usually seen as a hero. So right off the bat, they start shouting 'Hacker Stole Files', rather then 'Whistle-Blower Exposed Fraud'. This opens the door for them to point the finger back at us, thus distracting from the real issue. Im afraid that the MSM will entirely focus on how the "hacker" "stole" the files, but it wouldn't surprised me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot 'Climategate' debate: Scientists clash LIVE on RT



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